Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

tnegun · 29-12-2019 11:24pm

Yup my neighbor came off coming into the estate and 2 other neighbors just drove around him while he was sitting there

CramCycle · 30-12-2019 12:48am

Actually, just watched the video, only two others there. He was moving etc. No cultural differences at all

Oberkon · 30-12-2019 1:24pm

Encountered some terrible driving around Dublin in the last couple of days , even more so than usual .
Little spin to Howth yesterday between Sutton x and Howth village I had 3 incidents alone of close calls . 2 of them from Audi drivers .

There is a running joke in our house when I have a close call or punishment pass . Was it an Audi ?? Yes luv

AndrewJRenko · 30-12-2019 5:37pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Trying lying on the road in Dublin, I have had people drive around me before

I trust you apologised for the inconvenience you caused them as they passed?

coolbeans · 30-12-2019 5:47pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

was driving through oldtown at 8:30pm this evening, two people out on bikes on an unlit road, but it was OK because they were both wearing builders vests.

Bonus points if the builder vest is RSA branded.

Pinch Flat · 30-12-2019 6:57pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I trust you apologised for the inconvenience you caused them as they passed?

I've found motorists beep in support of you've come down in front of them. They'll never get those few seconds back

CramCycle · 31-12-2019 12:40pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I trust you apologised for the inconvenience you caused them as they passed?

I did get tutted once, I foolisly thought he was stopping to check on me, I was OK but still on the ground. Rolled around me, rolled down the window and loudly tutted before driving off.

tnegun · 31-12-2019 8:16pm

Just to finish out the year in style

Clueless Pedestrian
Pointless Pass
Close Pass

AndrewJRenko · 01-01-2020 3:11pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

For reference, when I went to my local station a month ago with both front and rear camera footage of a dangerously stupid overtake attempt, I was told that the garda could only proceed with the new law if I went to court (as otherwise it was my word against theirs and the footage wasn't evidence per se) :rolleyes:

This is generally the case with any video evidence afaik - it needs to be accompanied by the person who can say "I took this video on this date at this location" at a minimum.

The UK have better systems and legal processes that allow cyclists to submit video footage online and fines/points are issued automatically, which would be great - but we're a long way off that here.

sy_flembeck · 01-01-2020 11:45pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

For reference, when I went to my local station a month ago with both front and rear camera footage of a dangerously stupid overtake attempt, I was told that the garda could only proceed with the new law if I went to court (as otherwise it was my word against theirs and the footage wasn't evidence per se) :rolleyes:

Is there a problem with going to court? I have made 4 traffic watch complaints. Thus far none of them has gone to court but if they did then so be it

sy_flembeck · 02-01-2020 12:30am

Seth Brundle wrote: »

No but what's the point of the new law and video evidence if I still have to spend an hour in the station doing out a statement and then take a day off work to visit court over some ignorant prick? It's more of a punishment on me than the driver!

Fair enough. I wasn't being argumentative by the way, just curious

Steoller · 02-01-2020 12:59pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

No but what's the point of the new law and video evidence if I still have to spend an hour in the station doing out a statement and then take a day off work to visit court over some ignorant prick? It's more of a punishment on me than the driver!

Does the law need to be changed to allow video submission like in the UK?
Is it an internal garda procedure that prevents flexibility here, or a restriction in law?

Pinch Flat · 02-01-2020 1:03pm

Took the bike down home over Christmas and got out for a quick 50km spin around county Waterford. Only a few hundred meters out of the house when a woman in a car squeezes through this roundabout - I'd already signaled I was taking primary and moving right, but she bullied on through nevertheless. Almost brushed me as she passed.

https://goo.gl/maps/m4CdaAReq7w2hfMX6

Her two outer wheels were on the concrete part around the roundabout as she passed me. Two kids strapped in the back. She was genuinely oblivious to me. Using a bright strobe, usual hi vis etc.

Went out for a club spin on New Years eve. Tullow Oil tanker overtakes us (a group of 8, travelling two abreast, nice and tight) then left hooks us at a Y-junction. Totally pointless and dangerous.

AndrewJRenko · 02-01-2020 3:37pm

Steoller wrote: »

Does the law need to be changed to allow video submission like in the UK?
Is it an internal garda procedure that prevents flexibility here, or a restriction in law?

Not sure which needs to change, or possibly both - but certainly AGS need to take some serious action here.

Steoller · 02-01-2020 5:45pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

According to the fella in Leixlip station, in the eyes of the law it's my word against hers and the video is only there to support me. The video on its own is not sufficient for anything

That is strange. My complaint from last February is (finally) going to court, and I have not been required to attend - they are proceeding off the back of the footage I submitted. And my complaint was an incident in Celbridge, which should be under the same Super as leixlip.

Pinch Flat · 02-01-2020 5:52pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

It possibly depends on the garda on the desk

Dunno about that. I reported a crazy close pass in February 2019 - I was basically forced off the road by a white van man, who overtook me to get in behind a slow moving bus that I was cycling behind. Brought the video to the garda on duty at Pearse Street, who said he was a keen cyclist and agreed it was very dangerous. Have yet to hear anything.

downtheroad · 02-01-2020 7:40pm

Cyclist down in Killester this evening, at junction of Collins Avenue and Howth Road. Fire brigade at the scene. Hopefully she is ok, she was sitting up when I passed and being assisted by several people.

RobbieMD · 03-01-2020 2:18am

Steoller wrote: »

That is strange. My complaint from last February is (finally) going to court, and I have not been required to attend - they are proceeding off the back of the footage I submitted. And my complaint was an incident in Celbridge, which should be under the same Super as leixlip.

You’d be required to go to court if the defendant goes not guilty and takes a hearing. If they plead guilty then the facts are given by the Garda or court presenter.

The footage you submitted would be played in court for a hearing and you would be questioned by both the prosecution and defence on it. It may be a case that the defence are reviewing the evidence against their client and depending on the footage, they may or may not take a hearing.

RobbieMD · 03-01-2020 2:21am

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Dunno about that. I reported a crazy close pass in February 2019 - I was basically forced off the road by a white van man, who overtook me to get in behind a slow moving bus that I was cycling behind. Brought the video to the garda on duty at Pearse Street, who said he was a keen cyclist and agreed it was very dangerous. Have yet to hear anything.

You could possibly follow this up with the Garda you reported it to. Depending on the offence, you may be recorded on PULSE as being a witness or injured party. Witnesses generally are not informed of court outcomes/ FCPNs. Victims now have a right under the Victims Charter to be kept informed of their case by the Gardai.

Kaisr Sose · 03-01-2020 8:46pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

According to the fella in Leixlip station, in the eyes of the law it's my word against hers and the video is only there to support me. The video on its own is not sufficient for anything

I think AGS have a lot to do with the current situation. They see their role as evidence gatherers. They frequently dismiss video evidence as being insufficient on its own with no reason given. Then when it suits them, they appeal to the public for dash cam footage to help them with an investigation or go on Crimecall with CCTV footave seeking information on the ID of somebody.

CCTV either is or is not evidence.

Oberkon · 03-01-2020 11:15pm

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Yes.

"You shouldn't be out cycling at night" was the response I got several years ago when reporting a driver who made physical contact with me while passing.

He probably regards bikes as a toy for kids to potter about in the estate during the day

I know people who think bikes are for kids only - at the age of 35 I was told by a woman my own age - are ya not a bit old for cycling !

work · 04-01-2020 12:33am

Oberkon wrote: »

...... - at the age of 35 I was told by a woman my own age - are ya not a bit old for cycling !

Love it, I think people have a strange mind-set as they get older. Why stop doing things you did as a kid. Rollerblade, ice-skate, surf, swim etc etc and cycle.
I have been told numerous times partaking in the above is irresponsible. The biggest motivation to keep enjoying life is to look at how boring most adult lives are especially the ones with that attitude, they seem to have given up on living, to me anyway!

AndrewJRenko · 04-01-2020 12:07pm

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

I think AGS have a lot to do with the current situation. They see their role as evidence gatherers. They frequently dismiss video evidence as being insufficient on its own with no reason given. Then when it suits them, they appeal to the public for dash cam footage to help them with an investigation or go on Crimecall with CCTV footave seeking information on the ID of somebody.

CCTV either is or is not evidence.

I think there is a cultural resistance to active citizenship withi AGS. They really don't like the idea that people (especially people on two wheels) are actually taking action to drive particular outcomes.

They tend to miss the key point that cyclists wouldn't bother their ass taking the time to navigate through the cumbersome procedure if there was any real level of enforcement of traffic laws.

Pinch Flat · 04-01-2020 2:44pm

Well, thats the closest I've come to been wiped out earlier. Happened here:

https://goo.gl/maps/YoAShjXgRVmxs5nT9

I was approaching from Dunboyne, indicating and turning right. Saw a SUV approaching from my left - she was going straight through and I had right of way. Saw at the last minute she was on a mobile phone and completely oblivious - those types that hold the mobile out from their mouth while she was talking and driving. I was in a day glow orange rain jacket, front strobe. I didn't even register with her and she didn't let off as she passed straight through the roundabout, right in front of me, i mean missing me by inches, as if it wasn't there. I was sure she was going to hit me - I let a guttural roar inches from the drivers window - fooooooooook - so hard, my throat still hurts. She didn't even flinch. Couldn't get her reg number, she was travelling too fast.

No one deserves this. Mobile phones are proven to be a huge distraction and danger on the roads and are contributing to hundreds of collisions, yet we still have complete tools driving around on them in their own little world, zero awareness and with total impunity.

04-01-2020 3:13pm

Knew before I clicked the link what kind of roundabout I was going to see. They're a pox.

Pinch Flat · 04-01-2020 3:17pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Knew before I clicked the link what kind of roundabout I was going to see. They're a pox.

They should have a massive ramp on approach to each. People treat them like they dont exist.

tnegun · 06-01-2020 7:24pm

Will check the camera later and see if there's anything worth posting, first two scrotes in training tried to block me on the canal I peddled as hard as I could and aimed for one and they jumped out of the way, they couldn't of been more than 10/11. Then a car overtakes me in the Adamstown road into on Artic, Attic flashes his lights and the car behind me decides it's my fault and beeps while driving up my arse so I took the middle of the.lane. I assuming he thought it was my fault as 100m of bike lane with 3 yields existed to my left. Just another day

Pinch Flat · 07-01-2020 10:26am

Looks like driving a 25 tonne vehicle responsibly is not for him / her.

Anywhere on my commute like that, I just take the lane, i''ll keep this up at least until drivers of huge vehicles learn to respect other vulnerable road users.

benjamin d · 07-01-2020 5:28pm

I don't cycle so much anymore as I now have a long commute, but the last few mornings I seem to be seeing a lot more kerb hugger cyclists than usual... a product of intimidation or are there a lot of inexperienced new years resolution cyclists out there, I'm not sure. I nearly feel like poking my head out of the car and telling them to take the lane more but I don't know if they'd appreciate the benevolent intentions of a driver shouting at them!

Utter Consternation · 07-01-2020 5:40pm

benjamin d wrote: »

I don't cycle so much anymore as I now have a long commute, but the last few mornings I seem to be seeing a lot more kerb hugger cyclists than usual... a product of intimidation or are there a lot of inexperienced new years resolution cyclists out there, I'm not sure. I nearly feel like poking my head out of the car and telling them to take the lane more but I don't know if they'd appreciate the benevolent intentions of a driver shouting at them!

I saw a thing of beauty this morning with a guy taking the lane going down by the Central Bank and Westmoreland Street. He did it very confidently and kept two taxis from skimming by him.

It can be fairly easy to get intimidated by taxis there, particularly in the stretch infront of the central bank, i've been beeped at a few times by taxis along there and they've intimated that i should be in the bus lane on the left with fooking buses up ahead blocking it, or some other dickwad parked in it.

De Bhál · 07-01-2020 6:33pm

5uspect wrote: »

I took the bus yesterday and while waiting at Aston quay it was shocking to see the buses cut up the cyclists when pulling into the bus stop. Crazy overtaking and left hooking rather than pull in behind.

I've wondered whether Dublin Bus drivers are trained about negotiating around cyclists. Had a 140 thunder past me this morning along by Glasnevin cemetery as I was in the on-road painted in cycle lane. If I reached out I could've touched the bus. There was no oncoming traffic so he could've easily pulled out a couple of feet.

Any Dublin Drivers on here that could confirm they get trained about how to overtake someone on a bike?

Salary Negotiator · 07-01-2020 7:38pm

De Bhál wrote: »

I've wondered whether Dublin Bus drivers are trained about negotiating around cyclists. Had a 140 thunder past me this morning along by Glasnevin cemetery as I was in the on-road painted in cycle lane. If I reached out I could've touched the bus. There was no oncoming traffic so he could've easily pulled out a couple of feet.

Any Dublin Drivers on here that could confirm they get trained about how to overtake someone on a bike?

Wouldn’t make a difference how they’re trained, if the culture among drivers is to skim cyclists etc then no amount of training will make a difference.

They know they’re paying untouchable so why care.

tnegun · 07-01-2020 8:23pm

Ah thats harsh I've had my run ins with bus drivers (Dublin and private) but by and large most are courteous. @De Bhal submit a Subject Access Request to DB get the footage then submit a complaint to them. You won't hear the outcome but at the very least it will be recorded against him and he might think twice then next time. I've done it twice in 3 years and had some satisfaction.

Pinch Flat · 07-01-2020 8:27pm

5uspect wrote: »

I took the bus yesterday and while waiting at Aston quay it was shocking to see the buses cut up the cyclists when pulling into the bus stop. Crazy overtaking and left hooking rather than pull in behind.

I cycle that daily. Take the lane every time.

AndrewJRenko · 07-01-2020 10:38pm

Nice young lady pulls straight out onto roundabout without looking for traffic, in her attempt to further block up the yellow box;

https://streamable.com/cso9x

CramCycle · 07-01-2020 10:57pm

tnegun wrote: »

Ah thats harsh I've had my run ins with bus drivers (Dublin and private) but by and large most are courteous. @De Bhal submit a Subject Access Request to DB get the footage then submit a complaint to them. You won't hear the outcome but at the very least it will be recorded against him and he might think twice then next time. I've done it twice in 3 years and had some satisfaction.

Have a friend who drives for DB, he said it is just in some of them, they hate cyclists. Others don't care, just do the job, do it well and they treat cyclists with respect as it is the right thing to do (these are the majority in my experience although the former group is far more memorable), the last group love cycling and dangerously slow down to check out what your on, he falls into this group :eek:

08-01-2020 1:11am

When the pro's have to apologise for close passing cars https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mathis-apologises-for-close-pass-on-car-during-training-ride/

I don't care what level you are at this could have been some bike riding and life ending stuff.

lawred2 · 08-01-2020 8:45am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Nice young lady pulls straight out onto roundabout without looking for traffic, in her attempt to further block up the yellow box;

https://streamable.com/cso9x

Was that cyclist not undertaking traffic on a roundabout?

I see two lanes and a cyclist heading up the middle of two cars on a roundabout. Recipe for getting himself/herself cleaned out.

lawred2 · 08-01-2020 8:54am

Idleater wrote: »

?

In the right turn lane, turning right?

There is no law stating that you must be the sole occupier of the horizontal space of your lane.

Did I say anything about a law? But you're not going to be the most visible road user coming from behind and between vehicles on a roundabout.

Idiots pull out on to junction boxes every minute of the day. Every road user has to deal with it.

Pinch Flat · 08-01-2020 9:10am

lawred2 wrote: »

Did I say anything about a law? But you're not going to be the most visible road user coming from behind and between vehicles on a roundabout.

Idiots pull out on to junction boxes every minute of the day. Every road user has to deal with it.

Would she have done the same if it was another car?

lawred2 · 08-01-2020 9:17am

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Would she have done the same if it was another car?

Well clearly she did as she was pulling out in front of another car already waiting at the junction box. The cyclist arrived after an already waiting car no!? And from behind that waiting car.

But this is what idiots do every day up and down the land where junction boxes are concerned.

tnegun · 08-01-2020 10:31am

lawred2 wrote: »

Was that cyclist not undertaking traffic on a roundabout?

I see two lanes and a cyclist heading up the middle of two cars on a roundabout. Recipe for getting himself/herself cleaned out.

I believe its called filtering and nothing wrong with it so long as you have your wits about you, are observant and anticipate stuff like this it's less dangerous than joining free flowing traffic around the roundabout.

kenmm · 08-01-2020 10:59am

magicbastarder wrote: »

legally, AFAIK, it's called overtaking on the left and is explicitly allowed when a cyclist is moving faster than slow moving motorised traffic.

ye seems to be - although if I were cycling down there I would almost expect it - its usually a free-for-all at that point (or any Dublin rush hour round-a-bout..)

I like the way the sound seems to cut out during the gesticulating part of the clip

AndrewJRenko · 08-01-2020 11:52am

lawred2 wrote: »

Was that cyclist not undertaking traffic on a roundabout?

I see two lanes and a cyclist heading up the middle of two cars on a roundabout. Recipe for getting himself/herself cleaned out.

Two stationary cars on a roundabout, for the record. If you're suggesting that cyclists need to queue behind all the cars with the four empty seats each, that's going to be a tough sell.

lawred2 wrote: »

Did I say anything about a law? But you're not going to be the most visible road user coming from behind and between vehicles on a roundabout.

You'll be visible if you have two front lights (one solid, one flashing) and a hi-vis jacket to any driver who actually looks, rather than assuming that there will never be any cyclist or motorbike or basically any road user not in a car/van/truck.

lawred2 wrote: »

Idiots pull out on to junction boxes every minute of the day. Every road user has to deal with it.

That's pretty much the whole point of the video - to show the idiot pulling out onto a roundabout without checking for traffic.

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Would she have done the same if it was another car?

In this case, I suspect that the driver made the flawed assumption that, because she could see stationary traffic, there couldn't possibly be any other traffic moving in her vicinity. It's not unusual to see pedestrians making the same mistake - that because there is a a line of stopped traffic, they assume it is safe to step out without checking for cyclists or motorcyclists.

downtheroad · 08-01-2020 2:30pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

I think the video also shows another issue on our roads - far too many drivers deliberately drive onto the yellow hatched box with no hope of getting through the junction and therefore need to stop. I didn't bother wasting time counting the number of them in the above video but there was a good few.

Yellow boxes are ignored even worse than red lights in this country. It's a waste of paint at this stage.

Effects · 08-01-2020 11:13pm

Came around the corner on Stephen's Green to find this guy reversing, in the bike lane, in the section where the wands are. I came to a stop but he just kept reversing until I banged on his window. He wasn't very happy being asked to move on from blocking the lane.

AndrewJRenko · 08-01-2020 11:43pm

Effects wrote: »

Came around the corner on Stephen's Green to find this guy reversing, in the bike lane, in the section where the wands are. I came to a stop but he just kept reversing until I banged on his window. He wasn't very happy being asked to move on from blocking the lane.

School pick-up time?

kenmm · 09-01-2020 9:15am

Effects wrote: »

Came around the corner on Stephen's Green to find this guy reversing, in the bike lane, in the section where the wands are. I came to a stop but he just kept reversing until I banged on his window. He wasn't very happy being asked to move on from blocking the lane.

Looks like the road was clear tho - wouldn't you just overtake?

Getting annoyed to the point of banging on someones window isnt going to help you or the driver. You won't suddenly teach someone awareness. Better to practice cycling techniques that will keep you safe and cause less stress all round.

*edit - the guy is clearly an idiot, if I am right, that just at the pinch point where the bollards end, where the cycle lane merges with the driving lanes?

kenmm · 09-01-2020 9:30am

Plus - you didn't just 'ask him to move', you banged on his window.

This is how a lot of situations escalate. Idiot does something idiotic. Someone decided to 'ask them' by banging on windows or worse (being somewhat annoyed themselves, it comes across aggressive) before you know it the original idiot is chasing after a cyclist in the car or doing a punishment pass on a bus etc.

I am not saying I am perfect and don't get annoyed or have never thumped a car - but it rarely does anything except act as an temporary outlet for frustration, and more often than not it leads to more aggro on the roads. This isn't victim blaming either. The original offender here (as with most of these incidents) is wrong.

Maximising safety is what its all about!

John Hutton · 09-01-2020 9:51am

kenmm wrote: »

Plus - you didn't just 'ask him to move', you banged on his window.

This is how a lot of situations escalate. Idiot does something idiotic. Someone decided to 'ask them' by banging on windows or worse (being somewhat annoyed themselves, it comes across aggressive) before you know it the original idiot is chasing after a cyclist in the car or doing a punishment pass on a bus etc.

I am not saying I am perfect and don't get annoyed or have never thumped a car - but it rarely does anything except act as an temporary outlet for frustration, and more often than not it leads to more aggro on the roads. This isn't victim blaming either. The original offender here (as with most of these incidents) is wrong.

Maximising safety is what its all about!

So he should have sat there and let him reverse on top of him? He had to have got pretty close for OP to be able to reach the window!

Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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