Cork could turn into 'Mini Manhattan' according to the Indo

fonecrusher1 · 22-07-2019 7:14pm #1

https://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/second-city-could-turn-into-mini-manhattan-over-highrise-plans-38323566.html

Following on from the above article I just wanted to get the general opinion of folks outside of Cork on some of the recent considerable interest from property developers on the city's docklands and Port of Cork areas for high rise infrastructure.

Has Dublin City somewhat missed the boat on central small footprint high density living? Is it now a city amid considerable urban sprawl? What about other growing cities like Limerick, Galway and Waterford? Could high rise central infrastructure from the outset help avoid these also becoming congested sprawling cities?

As expected there is currently local opposition on some of the proposed dockland and Port of Cork high rise projects. There has been a response to this with a petition in favor of high rise development created by former Fine Gael candidate Julie O’Leary - https://my.uplift.ie/petitions/support-high-rise-and-high-density-development-in-the-port-of-cork

What say the good people of Boards? Could Cork City pave the way as the nations high rise second city or should the historic architecture of the city be maintained meaning no to high rise? Can you have both? Personally I support tall buildings becoming part of Cork City or part of Dublin city and any other city in this country. Its time we grew up and started future proofing our cities.

Atoms for Peace · 22-07-2019 7:18pm

About time.

Kitty6277 · 22-07-2019 7:22pm

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

About time.

Thoroughly agree. We need to start building up like most other major cities in the world. We’ve seen what’s happened in Dublin and that clearly isn’t working so it’s time we tried something else.

TuringBot47 · 22-07-2019 7:22pm

I think its an excellent test location for the Manhattan Project.

IAMAMORON · 22-07-2019 7:24pm

Have they designed an Arc yet.

For all the tan gents like?

Atoms for Peace · 22-07-2019 7:27pm

TuringBot47 wrote: »

I think its an excellent test location for the Manhattan Project.

Your just jealous

. Good to see cork taking inspiration from one of the greatest cities on earth. Meanwhile Dublin is increasingly turning into a mini LA, dirty and sprawling with a thin veneer of gaudy glamour and a heavy sprinkling of racial segregation and violence.

Capt'n Midnight · 22-07-2019 8:03pm

We could sell it for $24 worth of beads and trinkets.

Capt'n Midnight · 22-07-2019 8:05pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Have they designed an Arc yet.

For all the tan gents like?

No 'cos that's a sin.

Bobblehats · 22-07-2019 8:06pm

FFred · 22-07-2019 8:55pm

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Dublin is increasingly turning into a mini LA, dirty and sprawling with a thin veneer of gaudy glamour and a heavy sprinkling of racial segregation and violence.

Unlike our new Manhattan, eh?
:pac:

branie2 · 22-07-2019 9:37pm

We need a Cork version of Woody Allen

Junkyard Tom · 22-07-2019 9:39pm

Irish people seem to be reflexively against tall buildings for some reason. I mean, they're looking for an underground to be built in Dublin but is the density there for it?

Harry Palmr · 22-07-2019 9:45pm

branie2 wrote: »

We need a Cork version of Woody Allen

Cork is home to plenty of old men who fancy their daughters.

Junkyard Tom · 22-07-2019 9:48pm

The Dalai Lama wrote: »

Not sure why some Irish people want them.

It's not so much wanting them as understanding that they're part of the development of a modern city. There are objections against another development in Cork and it's residential so would help ease the housing crisis.

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I mean it's a residential building not a statue.

odyssey06 · 22-07-2019 9:49pm

Mini Manhattan? So basically most small N American coastal cities? But that wouldnt be as clickbait a headline...

ToddyDoody · 22-07-2019 10:05pm

It's not a sky scraper, it's actually a middle finger to Dublin.

mikhail · 23-07-2019 1:07am

ToddyDoody wrote: »

It's not a sky scraper, it's actually a middle finger to Dublin.

Hey, if it takes pressure off the Dublin housing market, it can be in the shape of a gaping asshole pointed north-east for all we care.

23-07-2019 1:19am

FFred wrote: »

Unlike our new Manhattan, eh?
:pac:

Jesus, what did she do to herself with those eyebrows?! :eek: Horrendous

JupiterKid · 23-07-2019 1:30am

Dublin and the regional cities must embrace increased density housing and commercial development in order to function properly and in a sustainable fashion as urban centres. I co-authored papers on the negative effects of the sprawl of Dublin in the 2000s and lessons were certainly not learned then. Now we are approaching the crest of another economic/property market cycle and time has been wasted in getting high density development off the ground.

I am delighted that Cork is moving in the direction of building up - and if that shows Dublin up in terms of in inaction on this issue, then so be it.

markpb · 23-07-2019 5:58am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Irish people seem to be reflexively against tall buildings for some reason. I mean, they're looking for an underground to be built in Dublin but is the density there for it?

Yes.

23-07-2019 6:14am

Cork city is too prone to flooding, development should be stopped there and a new city built on a better site.

FFred · 23-07-2019 8:09am

salonfire wrote: »

Cork city is too prone to flooding delusion, development should be stopped there and a new city built on a better site.

FYP

Harry Palmr · 23-07-2019 9:04am

No city in Ireland needs a single so called skyscraper - if the average flat/apartment building height was raised by no more than two stories everywhere that would more than fix the capacity problem.

rob316 · 23-07-2019 9:30am

Its the way to go. UCC take up so much of the city, if they built up in one campus it would be much better.

As the saying goes "sky's the limit"

circadian · 23-07-2019 9:35am

JupiterKid wrote: »

Dublin and the regional cities must embrace increased density housing and commercial development in order to function properly and in a sustainable fashion as urban centres. I co-authored papers on the negative effects of the sprawl of Dublin in the 2000s and lessons were certainly not learned then. Now we are approaching the crest of another economic/property market cycle and time has been wasted in getting high density development off the ground.

I am delighted that Cork is moving in the direction of building up - and if that shows Dublin up in terms of in inaction on this issue, then so be it.

Agreed, Dublin's adoption of Vancouverism (Ironic since Vancouver now has many skyscrapers and a beautiful skyline) is misguided. High rise can be build mindfully without taking away from the surrounding environment, if done properly or can blend in with the older buildings around it.

Edit: My bad, Vancouverism also embraces mixed use high rises. I was mainly referring to the low rise sprawl outside the central area.

TheSegal · 23-07-2019 9:47am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

No city in Ireland needs a single so called skyscraper - if the average flat/apartment building height was raised by no more than two stories everywhere that would more than fix the capacity problem.

What about 10-20 years down the line? Would it be ok to just add two stories on to what the "average flat/apartment height" is then? We need to solve the ridiculous outward sprawl for the long-term now, rather than just throw a plaster on it for the short-term and say it's good enough

lawred2 · 23-07-2019 9:49am

FFred wrote: »

Unlike our new Manhattan, eh?
:pac:

jesus christ those eyebrows have been dyed to an unnatural level of blackness

cgcsb · 23-07-2019 9:52am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I mean, they're looking for an underground to be built in Dublin but is the density there for it?

Yes :rolleyes:

lawred2 · 23-07-2019 9:53am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Irish people seem to be reflexively against tall buildings for some reason. I mean, they're looking for an underground to be built in Dublin but is the density there for it?

who are they?

and yes - of course there is.

sullivlo · 23-07-2019 9:58am

I suppose there is the parallel that everyone thinks NY is the capital of America and cork thinks it’s the capital of Ireland...

Harry Palmr · 23-07-2019 10:01am

TheSegal wrote: »

What about 10-20 years down the line? Would it be ok to just add two stories on to what the "average flat/apartment height" is then? We need to solve the ridiculous outward sprawl for the long-term now, rather than just throw a plaster on it for the short-term and say it's good enough

Look at Paris - it's a low rise city of 8 million people. For years 36 meters was the height limit bar some exceptions.

circadian · 23-07-2019 10:05am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Look at Paris - it's a low rise city of 8 million people. For years 36 meters was the height limit bar some exceptions.

And it's an absolute pain in the ass to deal with if you can't afford to live near metro stations. Living in the suburbs usually means a lengthy enough commute and suburban property prices are inflated as people are priced further out due to a lack of central property.

questionmark? · 23-07-2019 10:10am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

TheSegal wrote: »

What about 10-20 years down the line? Would it be ok to just add two stories on to what the "average flat/apartment height" is then? We need to solve the ridiculous outward sprawl for the long-term now, rather than just throw a plaster on it for the short-term and say it's good enough

Look at Paris - it's a low rise city of 8 million people. For years 36 meters was the height limit bar some exceptions.

If your going to follow Paris then it's shows up the lack of density in Cork and Dublin. How many 2 bed terraced bungalows and two storey houses are within a couple minutes walk of Paris city centre. The height limit in Paris is 37 meters IIRC and chock full of apartments. Outside the city core (think the Cork docklands) they have buildings higher than anything in Ireland.

Danzy · 23-07-2019 10:14am

lawred2 wrote: »

jesus christ those eyebrows have been dyed to an unnatural level of blackness

Mod warning.

You can criticise the tattoos but anything about her face will lead to a 24 hour ban.

Harry Palmr · 23-07-2019 10:14am

and Dublin is an ultra-low rise city of about 1 million, which is why you could go up quite modestly and fix the problem of supply.

Here Skyscrapers would be just a willy waving statement.

cgcsb · 23-07-2019 10:16am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Look at Paris - it's a low rise city of 8 million people. For years 36 meters was the height limit bar some exceptions.

And it's an absolute disaster for anyone who's not rolling in money to live there.

Stark · 23-07-2019 10:17am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Look at Paris - it's a low rise city of 8 million people. For years 36 meters was the height limit bar some exceptions.

Paris is not a nice city to live in. It's sprawling, congested and they have major problems with air pollution.

markpb · 23-07-2019 10:30am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

and Dublin is an ultra-low rise city of about 1 million, which is why you could go up quite modestly and fix the problem of supply. Here Skyscrapers would be just a willy waving statement.

Building up to any height in Dublin isn't easy. Anything above three floors is described by local residents as (take your pick) a tower, a skyscraper, towering over them, blocking their light, out of keeping with the local area, not suitable for this location or not what the market is looking for (houses forever!). Everything is whinged about incessantly, complained the LA and then to ABP. Bonus points for it being student accommodation, they always attract more complaints.

jmayo · 23-07-2019 10:30am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Cork is home to plenty of old men who fancy their daughters.

Ah now be fair Woody's daughter was not a blood relation ...

circadian wrote: »

Agreed, Dublin's adoption of Vancouverism (Ironic since Vancouver now has many skyscrapers and a beautiful skyline) is misguided. High rise can be build mindfully without taking away from the surrounding environment, if done properly or can blend in with the older buildings around it.

Edit: My bad, Vancouverism also embraces mixed use high rises. I was mainly referring to the low rise sprawl outside the central area.

jaysus is Dublin now being compared to Vancouver :rolleyes:

FFred wrote: »

Unlike our new Manhattan, eh?
:pac:

Someone should have told her you put the black under the eye to stop the glare.
Although in her case a black eye means ...

BTW why do people continue to read the Indo/Sindo ?

You are only encouraging the fookers.

rossie1977 · 23-07-2019 10:32am

Manhattan..should do a Pudong in Shanghai on it

Cienciano · 23-07-2019 10:33am

rossie1977 wrote: »

Manhattan..should do a Pudong in Shanghai on it

That photo is amazing, assuming there's even more built there now since it's another 9 years on

circadian · 23-07-2019 10:42am

jmayo wrote: »

Ah now be fair Woody's daughter was not a blood relation ...

jaysus is Dublin now being compared to Vancouver :rolleyes:

Naw, there was no comparison there beyond my incorrect interpretation of the planning guidelines there. Which, you also quoted the edit but sure go ahead and you roll your eyes all ye want.

Hector Savage · 23-07-2019 10:46am

FFred wrote: »

Unlike our new Manhattan, eh?
:pac:

Is that what she uses to batter people with ?

biko · 23-07-2019 10:50am

A petition has been launched to support high-rise development in Cork, which could turn Ireland's second city into a mini Manhattan.

This is the petition OP has bolded in their post.

Comparing Cork to Manhattan is so incredibly stupid I can't even.. but that's pretty much Indo for ya.

magic_murph · 23-07-2019 10:53am

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus, what did she do to herself with those eyebrows?! :eek: Horrendous

Painted on with the broad side of that Hurley

circadian · 23-07-2019 10:54am

rossie1977 wrote: »

Manhattan..should do a Pudong in Shanghai on it

Busan has some cracking skylines around the city.

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cgcsb · 23-07-2019 10:56am

So there are three mid rise buildings being planned: 15 storey, 25 storey and a 35 storey and the Indo says '= mini manhattan'. The indo hasn't even resorted to this in Dublin.

fonecrusher1 · 23-07-2019 10:59am

biko wrote: »

This is the petition OP has bolded in their post.

Comparing Cork to Manhattan is so incredibly stupid I can't even.. but that's pretty much Indo for ya.

Yes its strange that they would refer to the petition supporting high rise buildings but not actually include a link to it in the article itself.

Petition: https://my.uplift.ie/petitions/support-high-rise-and-high-density-development-in-the-port-of-cork

I agree that the comparison is silly.

topper75 · 23-07-2019 11:03am

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Your just jealous . Good to see cork taking inspiration from one of the greatest cities on earth. Meanwhile Dublin is increasingly turning into a mini LA, dirty and sprawling with a thin veneer of gaudy glamour and a heavy sprinkling of racial segregation and violence.

Limerick folds its arms, smirks, and puts on a Chicago blues record.:cool:

mariaalice · 23-07-2019 11:06am

Cork is a fabulous city, very walkable, interesting its got a lot going for it.

chrissb8 · 23-07-2019 11:08am

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Your just jealous . Good to see cork taking inspiration from one of the greatest cities on earth. Meanwhile Dublin is increasingly turning into a mini LA, dirty and sprawling with a thin veneer of gaudy glamour and a heavy sprinkling of racial segregation and violence.

Again. Dublin is not a big city it is nowhere even comparable to many other metropolis in the world. So it's funny seeing stuff like it will end up like LA which has a population of 4 million.

Also the level of racism in Ireland compared to America is so low it will never be a big problem.

Dublin will most likely have to go high rise in some parts and people will just have to get over themselves and accept that Ireland is changing and growing. For the better if development is happening. Too many moaners complaining about this, just get on with it and be happy that your city is making strides to becoming a modern developed area.

Cork could turn into 'Mini Manhattan' according to the Indo

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