Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

mark_way · 17-07-2019 10:25pm

Bastareaud has joined Lyon.

Maybe Munster should go after Nonu now?

thomond2006 · 17-07-2019 10:31pm

Well I'm glad that nonsense can be put to bed now.

Eod100 · 18-07-2019 4:30pm

Good additions to academy here. https://twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1151873258117107712?s=19

thomond2006 · 18-07-2019 5:12pm

Kevin O'Byrne 2020
Rhys Marshall 2021
Niall Scannell 2021

Diarmuid Barron Year 2
Eoghan Clarke Year 2

James Cronin 2021
Dave Kilcoyne 2020
Liam O'Connor 2020
Jeremy Loughman 2020

James French Year 2
Josh Wycherley Year 2

Stephen Archer 2020
John Ryan 2022
Brian Scott 2020
Ciaran Parker 2020

Keynan Knox Year 3 & 2022

Tadhg Beirne 2022
Billy Holland 2020
Jean Kleyn 2022
Sean O'Connor 2020
Darren O'Shea 2020
Fineen Wycherley 2021

Thomas Ahern Year 2
Paddy Kelly Year 1
Eoin O'Connor Year 1

Arno Botha 2020
Gavin Coombes 2021
Chris Cloete 2022
Tommy O'Donnell 2021
Jack O'Donoghue 2021
Peter O'Mahony 2021
Conor Oliver 2020
CJ Stander 2021

Jack Daly Year 2
John Hodnett Year 1
Jack O'Sullivan Year 3

Craig Casey 2021
Neil Cronin 2021
Alby Mathewson Nov 2019
Nick McCarthy 2021
Conor Murray 2022

Jack Stafford Year 3

Tyler Bleyendaal 2021
Joey Carbery 2022
JJ Hanrahan 2021

Jake Flannery Year 1
Ben Healy Year 2
Alan Tynan Year 3

Sam Arnold 2020
Shane Daly 2021
Chris Farrell 2022
Dan Goggin 2020
Rory Scannell 2021

Sean French Year 2
Alex McHenry Year 3

Andrew Conway 2020
Keith Earls 2021
Mike Haley 2021
Calvin Nash 2021
Darren Sweetnam 2021
Alex Wootton 2021

Liam Coombes Year 3
Jonathan Wren Year 2

2019/20 Movements:
IN: Eoin O'Connor (LK, Waterpark), Paddy Kelly (LK, Young Munster), John Hodnett (No 8, UCC), Nick McCarthy (SH, Leinster), Jake Flannery (FH/FB, Shannon)
OUT: Mike Sherry (HK, Gloucester/TBC), Dave O'Callaghan (FL, Biarritz), Duncan Williams (SH, Retired), James Hart (SH, Biarritz), Ian Keatley (FH, Benetton), Bill Johnston (FH, Ulster), Matt More (CT, South Africa), Jaco Taute (CT, Leicester Tigers), James McCarthy (WG, Dragons), Ronan O'Mahony (WG, Retired), Stephen Fitzgerald (WG, Connacht)

2019/20 NIEs:
Arno Botha (capped), Chris Cloete (uncapped), Alby Mathewson (capped)

I count 61 players overall.

Caranica · 18-07-2019 5:16pm

Duncan still tbc? Did he not say after the Cork Con win that he was retiring?

Squidgy Black · 18-07-2019 5:17pm

Caranica wrote: »

Duncan still tbc? Did he not say after the Cork Con win that he was retiring?

Yeah Williams was confirmed back in May https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2019/05/03/departing-players-confirmed/

thomond2006 · 18-07-2019 5:18pm

Cheers, updated.

My list from August had 67 players so there's been a slight trim down overall.

There's going to be quite a bit of movement in the front five next summer. 7 players are up for renewal and Keynan Knox will be joining the senior squad.

Sir Guy who smiles · 18-07-2019 5:31pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah I think it works out better to have it closest Saturday in that case. Get to enjoy Stephen's Day and have a match the Saturday to look forward to!

Prefer it on the Saturday; Christmas in my house isn't so ****e that I have to be racing out on Stephan's day!

I think the organisers having been trying to emulate the tradition of Boxing day soccer in Britain, but the tradition isn't here.

Bassfish · 18-07-2019 6:00pm

Sir Guy who smiles wrote: »

Prefer it on the Saturday; Christmas in my house isn't so ****e that I have to be racing out on Stephan's day!

I think the organisers having been trying to emulate the tradition of Boxing day soccer in Britain, but the tradition isn't here.

Agreed, I aim to do as little as possible on Stephan's day so have never been up for the drive from East Cork to Limerick and back. But when Xmas is midweek you'd be dying to do something by the Saturday. Had a great evening last year!

Cookiemunster · 18-07-2019 6:01pm

Sir Guy who smiles wrote: »

Prefer it on the Saturday; Christmas in my house isn't so ****e that I have to be racing out on Stephan's day!

I think the organisers having been trying to emulate the tradition of Boxing day soccer in Britain, but the tradition isn't here.

I disagree. There were always St Stephens Day matches and events on in Limerick. I went to the Kelly Cup game between Munsters and Crescent for years. Town used to packed on St. Stephens Night with the races on as well. Your Christmas doesn't have to be sh!te for you to leave the house to go to a rugby match.

slingerz · 19-07-2019 11:54am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

I disagree. There were always St Stephens Day matches and events on in Limerick. I went to the Kelly Cup game between Munsters and Crescent for years. Town used to packed on St. Stephens Night with the races on as well. Your Christmas doesn't have to be sh!te for you to leave the house to go to a rugby match.

Thats fine for the locals but Munster need crowds travelling from Cork/Dublin etc. in order to fill the stadium

Cookiemunster · 19-07-2019 12:17pm

slingerz wrote: »

Thats fine for the locals but Munster need crowds travelling from Cork/Dublin etc. in order to fill the stadium

The point wasn't about Munster. It was that there are many many things going on on St. Stephens Day that take people out of their homes and it's not just in Limerick that these occur. Both Limerick and Leopardstown have race meetings every year starting on Dec 26th for example, drawing people from all over the country.

The idea that you have to be having a sh!te Christmas to leave the house is just ridiculous.

Burkie1203 · 19-07-2019 12:33pm

IRFU report. Interesting stuff regarding Munsters income and the loan repayment

Shefwedfan · 19-07-2019 1:12pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

IRFU report. Interesting stuff regarding Munsters income and the loan repayment

Any chance of a link with such a vague post?

Pepp1989 · 19-07-2019 1:12pm

Burkie1203 wrote:

IRFU report. Interesting stuff regarding Munsters income and the loan repayment

Are you going to make me look up and read the report you are?

Shefwedfan · 19-07-2019 1:14pm

Pepp1989 wrote: »

Are you going to make me look up and read the report you are?

That’s too much work....I think someone else should read the report and post the main points up here

mike_cork · 19-07-2019 1:15pm

Pepp1989 wrote: »

Are you going to make me look up and read the report you are?

I just looked through the accounts and didnt see any mention of munster

Then again i'm not an accountant :pac:

Burkie1203 · 19-07-2019 1:19pm

https://twitter.com/Overthehillprop/status/1152175080467828736?s=19

molloyjh · 19-07-2019 1:20pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

IRFU report. Interesting stuff regarding Munsters income and the loan repayment

How so? The comments are the same as last years. The only interesting bit there is that apparently Munster made no money from multi-year tickets sales or corporate box sales. But that's entirely possible if they've already been sold ouf in previous seasons. I've no idea what the story is with the naming rights though.

Bear in mind that 2 years ago they cleared off about 3.5m of their debt. If they do sell the naming rights they shouldn't have any issue paying the remainder of the debt you wouldnt think.

Squidgy Black · 19-07-2019 1:21pm

https://twitter.com/Overthehillprop/status/1152175642236149760?s=09

Cookiemunster · 19-07-2019 1:22pm

mike_cork wrote: »

I just looked through the accounts and didnt see any mention of munster
Then again i'm not an accountant :pac:

Munster repaid €2.6m (from 10 year ticket sales) last year and €100k this year and the branch now owe €6.8m. None of that is news though as it was already reported at the Munster Branch AGM.

Cookiemunster · 19-07-2019 1:26pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Overthehillprop/status/1152175642236149760?s=09

The thing is that the IRFU always owned 50% of the Thomond Park Stadium Company. It was a condition of the original loan. If Munster couldn't pay their debts then the IRFU would assume 100% control. I'm not sure what's changed here?

aloooof · 19-07-2019 1:36pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Any chance of a link with such a vague post?

https://d2cx26qpfwuhvu.cloudfront.net/irfu/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/18104921/IRFU_AnnualReport_1819.pdf

keithonroll · 19-07-2019 1:39pm

Great

molloyjh · 19-07-2019 2:02pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Squidgy Black wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Overthehillprop/status/1152175642236149760?s=09

The thing is that the IRFU always owned 50% of the Thomond Park Stadium Company. It was a condition of the original loan. If Munster couldn't pay their debts then the IRFU would assume 100% control. I'm not sure what's changed here?

AFAIK nothing has changed in the last 12 months. Last year the repayments were completely rescheduled to what is referenced in that tweet. The 2027 deadline was removed then as well. Basically Munster are likely to be paying this loan off well into the 2030s (possibly even the late 2030s) unless they can secure a major deal for the naming rights which will shorten that time frame.

Sir Guy who smiles · 19-07-2019 2:39pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The point wasn't about Munster. It was that there are many many things going on on St. Stephens Day that take people out of their homes and it's not just in Limerick that these occur. Both Limerick and Leopardstown have race meetings every year starting on Dec 26th for example, drawing people from all over the country.

The idea that you have to be having a sh!te Christmas to leave the house is just ridiculous.

Well (like most people) I tend to examine these things from my own point of view, if I was going racing I'd probably have the whole family with me, going to the rugby I wouldn't.

I'm not a million miles from Thomond but on Stephan's day playing leinster I'd want to be on the terrace early so 30 min travel, 1 hour wait for the match/pints, 1 hour 45 for match with extra time, 40 min home because of traffic, and the people I go with will NOT do without pints at Christmas, so well over 4 hours away the day after Christmas. Less than when I was a teenager and mad to go boozing the day after Christmas, but more than I would like to spend away now. Your milage, may, of course, vary.

Kirk Van Houten · 19-07-2019 3:54pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Squidgy Black wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Overthehillprop/status/1152175642236149760?s=09

The thing is that the IRFU always owned 50% of the Thomond Park Stadium Company. It was a condition of the original loan. If Munster couldn't pay their debts then the IRFU would assume 100% control. I'm not sure what's changed here?

Thomond Park Stadium Company as you say is and always has been a joint venture between the IRFU and Munster. For match days Munster would pay a rent to the Stadium and then keep revenue streams such as ticket sales. Now as part of the new loan structure the IRFU take 50% of the 10 year tickets and corporate boxes that would have gone 100% to Munster. Also the IRFU would now take 50% of the naming rights up front. No definite answer if the remaining 50% is Munsters or split with IRFU.

liosnagceann75 · 20-07-2019 4:17pm

Booked flights and accommodation for the Edinburgh Pro 14 game. Return flights to Cork and 1 night Hotel on the Royal Mile €205 each.

phog · 22-07-2019 12:58pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Aug 23 – 25
Munster v Ospreys

Aug 30 – Sep 1
Dragons v Munster

Sept 6 – 8
Munster v Leinster

Sept 13 – 15
Connacht v Munster

Sept 20 – 22
Munster v Cardiff Blues

Sept 27 – 29
Scarlets v Munster

Oct 4 – 6
Ulster v Munster

Saturday, Oct 12 Final

Munster have confirmed their home games will be in Cork - that's a pity, I preferred when they used to bring around the province.

thomond2006 · 22-07-2019 1:00pm

phog wrote: »

Munster have confirmed their home games will be in Cork - that's a pity, I preferred when they used to bring around the province.

That may form part of the naming rights.

phog · 22-07-2019 2:15pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

That may form part of the naming rights.

I was thinking it more to do with the artificial pitch

thomond2006 · 22-07-2019 7:17pm

Kevin O'Byrne 2020
Rhys Marshall 2021
Niall Scannell 2021

Diarmuid Barron Year 2
Eoghan Clarke Year 2

James Cronin 2021
Dave Kilcoyne 2020
Liam O'Connor 2020
Jeremy Loughman 2020

James French Year 2
Josh Wycherley Year 2

Stephen Archer 2020
John Ryan 2022
Brian Scott 2020
Ciaran Parker 2020

Keynan Knox Year 3 & 2022

Tadhg Beirne 2022
Billy Holland 2020
Jean Kleyn 2022
Sean O'Connor 2020
Darren O'Shea 2020
Fineen Wycherley 2021

Thomas Ahern Year 2
Paddy Kelly Year 1
Eoin O'Connor Year 1

Arno Botha 2020
Gavin Coombes 2021
Chris Cloete 2022
Tommy O'Donnell 2021
Jack O'Donoghue 2021
Peter O'Mahony 2021
Conor Oliver 2020
CJ Stander 2021

Jack Daly Year 2
John Hodnett Year 1
Jack O'Sullivan Year 3

Craig Casey 2021
Neil Cronin 2021
Alby Mathewson Nov 2019
Nick McCarthy 2021
Conor Murray 2022

Jack Stafford Year 3

Tyler Bleyendaal 2021
Joey Carbery 2022
JJ Hanrahan 2021

Jake Flannery Year 1
Ben Healy Year 2

Sam Arnold 2020
Shane Daly 2021
Chris Farrell 2022
Dan Goggin 2020
Rory Scannell 2021

Sean French Year 2
Alex McHenry Year 3

Andrew Conway 2020
Keith Earls 2021
Mike Haley 2021
Calvin Nash 2021
Darren Sweetnam 2021
Alex Wootton 2021

Liam Coombes Year 3
Alan Tynan Year 3
Jonathan Wren Year 2

2019/20 Movements:
IN: Eoin O'Connor (LK, Waterpark), Paddy Kelly (LK, Young Munster), John Hodnett (FL, UCC), Nick McCarthy (SH, Leinster), Jake Flannery (FH/FB, Shannon)
OUT: Mike Sherry (HK, Retired), Dave O'Callaghan (FL, Biarritz), Duncan Williams (SH, Retired), James Hart (SH, Biarritz), Ian Keatley (FH, Benetton), Bill Johnston (FH, Ulster), Matt More (CT, South Africa), Jaco Taute (CT, Leicester Tigers), James McCarthy (WG, Dragons), Ronan O'Mahony (WG, Retired), Stephen Fitzgerald (WG, Connacht)

2019/20 NIEs:
Arno Botha (capped), Chris Cloete (uncapped), Alby Mathewson (capped)

Eod100 · 22-07-2019 7:32pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Kevin O'Byrne 2020
Rhys Marshall 2021
Niall Scannell 2021

Diarmuid Barron Year 2
Eoghan Clarke Year 2

James Cronin 2021
Dave Kilcoyne 2020
Liam O'Connor 2020
Jeremy Loughman 2020

James French Year 2
Josh Wycherley Year 2

Stephen Archer 2020
John Ryan 2022
Brian Scott 2020
Ciaran Parker 2020

Keynan Knox Year 3 & 2022

Tadhg Beirne 2022
Billy Holland 2020
Jean Kleyn 2022
Sean O'Connor 2020
Darren O'Shea 2020
Fineen Wycherley 2021

Thomas Ahern Year 2
Paddy Kelly Year 1
Eoin O'Connor Year 1

Arno Botha 2020
Gavin Coombes 2021
Chris Cloete 2022
Tommy O'Donnell 2021
Jack O'Donoghue 2021
Peter O'Mahony 2021
Conor Oliver 2020
CJ Stander 2021

Jack Daly Year 2
John Hodnett Year 1
Jack O'Sullivan Year 3

Craig Casey 2021
Neil Cronin 2021
Alby Mathewson Nov 2019
Nick McCarthy 2021
Conor Murray 2022

Jack Stafford Year 3

Tyler Bleyendaal 2021
Joey Carbery 2022
JJ Hanrahan 2021

Jake Flannery Year 1
Ben Healy Year 2

Sam Arnold 2020
Shane Daly 2021
Chris Farrell 2022
Dan Goggin 2020
Rory Scannell 2021

Sean French Year 2
Alex McHenry Year 3

Andrew Conway 2020
Keith Earls 2021
Mike Haley 2021
Calvin Nash 2021
Darren Sweetnam 2021
Alex Wootton 2021

Liam Coombes Year 3
Alan Tynan Year 3
Jonathan Wren Year 2

2019/20 Movements:
IN: Eoin O'Connor (LK, Waterpark), Paddy Kelly (LK, Young Munster), John Hodnett (FL, UCC), Nick McCarthy (SH, Leinster), Jake Flannery (FH/FB, Shannon)
OUT: Mike Sherry (HK, Retired), Dave O'Callaghan (FL, Biarritz), Duncan Williams (SH, Retired), James Hart (SH, Biarritz), Ian Keatley (FH, Benetton), Bill Johnston (FH, Ulster), Matt More (CT, South Africa), Jaco Taute (CT, Leicester Tigers), James McCarthy (WG, Dragons), Ronan O'Mahony (WG, Retired), Stephen Fitzgerald (WG, Connacht)

2019/20 NIEs:
Arno Botha (capped), Chris Cloete (uncapped), Alby Mathewson (capped)

Very solid squad for the next 2/3 seasons. Hoping we can kick on in that period. Think fixture details for Champions Cup are out mid August so maybe around 16th judging by previous years..

The Lost Sheep · 22-07-2019 7:34pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

That may form part of the naming rights.

probably but great shame change is happening

phog wrote: »

I was thinking it more to do with the artificial pitch

maybe but could imagine naming rights would be more of reason shame it's happening A games in Clonmel, Waterford, Tralee were great and far better for Munster IMO

PTH2009 · 23-07-2019 12:02am

Google sheets of Munster and Ireland 2019/20 fixtures i created

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10VibnpPMdwPBo7FzPwTIBpD7qBvnNLPVsGkmtfNBGZY/edit?usp=sharing

Open too edit. Cant find the dates for the pro 14 playoffs

phog · 23-07-2019 10:30am

PTH2009 wrote: »

Google sheets of Munster and Ireland 2019/20 fixtures i created

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10VibnpPMdwPBo7FzPwTIBpD7qBvnNLPVsGkmtfNBGZY/edit?usp=sharing

Open too edit. Cant find the dates for the pro 14 playoffs

Great, thanks for sharing.

phog · 27-07-2019 9:09am

MRSC AGM has reverted to a midweek night again - they tried a prematch AGM and it doesn't seemed to have worked

The Annual General Meeting of the Munster Rugby Supporters Club will take place at the Charleville Park Hotel on Wednesday August 21st at 7:30PM.

We are delighted to announce that Munster Rugby Head Coach Johann van Graan and senior coach Stephen Larkham will be our guests on the night with an exclusive Q & A for members. Acting C.E.O Philip Quinn will deliver a Munster Rugby update while the MRSC committee will also detail progress within the supporters’ club.

Caranica · 27-07-2019 10:11am

phog wrote: »

MRSC AGM has reverted to a midweek night again - they tried a prematch AGM and it doesn't seemed to have worked

A huge step backwards. Pre match allowed people to get there from all over the country. I made all but the last one from Dublin. Are people really going to trek from West Cork and Waterford and Dingle, not to mention those of us who live outside Munster, to Charleville on a Wednesday night for this?

Cookiemunster · 27-07-2019 1:33pm

Caranica wrote: »

A huge step backwards. Pre match allowed people to get there from all over the country. I made all but the last one from Dublin. Are people really going to trek from West Cork and Waterford and Dingle, not to mention those of us who live outside Munster, to Charleville on a Wednesday night for this?

Is it? The vast majority of members don't attend and obviously numbers didn't pick up when it was held before a match. I actually don't know anyone who's ever attended and I've been a member for over 15 years.

Caranica · 27-07-2019 4:07pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Is it? The vast majority of members don't attend and obviously numbers didn't pick up when it was held before a match. I actually don't know anyone who's ever attended and I've been a member for over 15 years.

I know a lot of people who could only go when they put it before a game, myself included

phog · 28-07-2019 10:18am

Caranica wrote: »

A huge step backwards. Pre match allowed people to get there from all over the country. I made all but the last one from Dublin. Are people really going to trek from West Cork and Waterford and Dingle, not to mention those of us who live outside Munster, to Charleville on a Wednesday night for this?

I'm not convinced. How many were at the last two AGMs? These were on match nights. Match nights probably only suit those who can get there early and/or those that don't have non members with them.

I wasn't at either but I've attended a good few of the Charleville AGMs and they seem to get a fair cross section of the membership attending.

Also worth noting you'll seldom if ever get a coach to attend an AGM prior to a match and we're getting two at this AGM.

The Lost Sheep · 28-07-2019 11:34am

Caranica wrote: »

A huge step backwards. Pre match allowed people to get there from all over the country. I made all but the last one from Dublin. Are people really going to trek from West Cork and Waterford and Dingle, not to mention those of us who live outside Munster, to Charleville on a Wednesday night for this?

yes people will. Chatleville is a very regular spot for meetings of all kinds for different Munster committees, groups and yes you will get plenty interested who will travel for an agm. Numbers attending before a match were not that big and certainly not much if at all bigger than when the agm was held mid week in another venue so better off to move it

phog · 31-07-2019 12:33pm

Fla on leaving his coaching role with Munster

He says the decision to depart the Munster coaching set-up after five years came down to a "gut feeling". "It's a fantastic job coaching with Munster. I loved it and it was a really good environment to work in, so it wasn't an easy decision to make. But just as things went on, I felt like all good things come to an end," he told the Ireland Unfiltered podcast.

Lucas44 · 05-08-2019 6:19pm

Curious if you could buy one of the retro or previous years Munster/Irish jersey what would be your go to

Eod100 · 15-08-2019 11:15pm

This old chestnut has come up again. Surely would only be viable if it brought in a good bit more than a sold out TP? They might push it to 30-35k max at a stretch but don't see how that would justify

https://twitter.com/tonyleen/status/1162123439471255552

bennyl10 · 15-08-2019 11:18pm

Eod100 wrote: »

This old chestnut has come up again. Surely would only be viable if it brought in a good bit more than a sold out TP? They might push it to 30-35k max at a stretch but don't see how that would justify

https://twitter.com/tonyleen/status/1162123439471255552

Never gonna happen.

Leinster at Christmas is going to be Thomond for the foreseeable, capacity gains wouldn’t be worth it.

We’d only see PuC used for a Europe semi and even then it’d be a long shot

Eod100 · 15-08-2019 11:21pm

bennyl10 wrote: »

Never gonna happen.

Leinster at Christmas is going to be Thomond for the foreseeable, capacity gains wouldn’t be worth it.

We’d only see PuC used for a Europe semi and even then it’d be a long shot

Yeah that would be my thinking. Be interesting to see substance of articles as GAA promoting idea would hardly be ''talks'' but maybe they've made an approach to Munster about it.

bennyl10 · 16-08-2019 8:41am

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah that would be my thinking. Be interesting to see substance of articles as GAA promoting idea would hardly be ''talks'' but maybe they've made an approach to Munster about it.

Especially as Leinster is a big ST selling point, moving it to cork would negate that..

I'd guess it's the GAA have suggested ti, rather than actual talks

sydthebeat · 16-08-2019 8:50am

Give me leinster v munster in TP in the middle of Limerick rather than in PUC in an industrial estate on the outskirts of Cork every time.

Cookiemunster · 16-08-2019 8:59am

bennyl10 wrote: »

Never gonna happen.

Leinster at Christmas is going to be Thomond for the foreseeable, capacity gains wouldn’t be worth it.

We’d only see PuC used for a Europe semi and even then it’d be a long shot

Yup. Munster make a fortune out of this match. Paying rent for PUC and losing out on corporate revenue means that it's never going to happen.

That and the fact that the IRFU and the GAA wouldn't allow it to happen.

bennyl10 wrote: »

Especially as Leinster is a big ST selling point, moving it to cork would negate that..

Not just the ST, but the 5/10 year tickets are sold for TP, so these games will be there for another decade.

Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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