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03-01-2019, 12:28   #1
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Irish directed film on James Bulger comes under criticism for humanising the killers

Detainment is a short film currently being nominated for an oscar about the James Bulger killing directed by Irishman Vincent Lambe. The film attempts to depict the killers in a different light instead trying to humanise them rather than just to present them as 'evil' in the directors own words.

Not surprisingly the films getting a lot of criticism and its being denounced as insensitive lacking decency.

He was on Good Morning Britain earlier today and was getting a bit of grilling from the hosts (particularly from Ben Shephard, a guy who gets far too much work on UK TV, he's really boring) for not bothering to get consent from Denise Fergus (James mother) and responded that he knew she would say no. She's going to be on tomorrow to undoubtedly provide a fairly angry response.

Was this done in bad taste? Plenty of other films about various murders don't often seek permission from family members. But I guess the nature of this one and the sheer brutality of the crime perhaps he should've been a bit more sensitive.

Likely to do wonders for his career though.

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03-01-2019, 12:35   #2
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Detainment is a short film currently being nominated for an oscar
Nominations aren't for 3 weeks?

Anyway, the family have rarely if ever courted any sort of publicity and have dealt with this in a way countless others couldn't.

I know films about hard hitting subjects need to be made, but this was just so brutal and is something that anyone of a certain age can still vividly recall.

Seems in poor taste, possibly being done for the shock value. They deserve no more thought.
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Because they are humans.

This white and black nonsense peddled by the media is bull****.

Hitler won Times Man of the Year in 1937 for Bringing Germany back from the great depression.

People are complex. They are not divided into "evil" and "good"

When 2 children murder another child there's some serious questions that need to be asked and examined and not just lump them into the "evil" pile and move on.

I welcome this discussion.
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Wish people would drop this "evil" bull****. Like it's an explanation for anything.
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Extremely poor taste.

The boy was 2 when he was taken and tortured by those 2 animals. What they did was calculated, and cruel in the extreme. They set out that day to take a child for the purposes of what they ended up doing. What they did to James was inhuman. There's no humanising those 2 bastards.

And Venables continues to offend, has been caught with child porn on more than one occasion. I think he's back inside at the moment.
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Extremely poor taste.

The boy was 2 when he was taken and tortured by those 2 animals. What they did was calculated, and cruel in the extreme. They set out that day to take a child for the purposes of what they ended up doing. What they did to James was inhuman. There's no humanising those 2 bastards.

And Venables continues to offend, has been caught with child porn on more than one occasion. I think he's back inside at the moment.

Humans do these things,and a lot worse. It shouldn't be catagorised as being an external force.
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Nominations aren't for 3 weeks?
Sorry oscar-shortlisted, my apologies.

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Because they are humans.

This white and black nonsense peddled by the media is bull****.

Hitler won Times Man of the Year in 1937 for Bringing Germany back from the great depression.

People are complex. They are not divided into "evil" and "good"

When 2 children murder another child there's some serious questions that need to be asked and examined and not just lump them into the "evil" pile and move on.

I welcome this discussion.
I have absolutely no hesitation in describing those children now adults as pure scum of the earth and yes they are absolutely evil for brutally torturing a defensless toddler to death in the most horrific way possible which they have never shown an ounce of remorse for so forgive me if I don't follow your advice because the simple fact is they are cold blooded killers who should have rotted in prison for the rest of their lives.
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Because they are humans.

This white and black nonsense peddled by the media is bull****.

Hitler won Times Man of the Year in 1937 for Bringing Germany back from the great depression.

People are complex. They are not divided into "evil" and "good"

When 2 children murder another child there's some serious questions that need to be asked and examined and not just lump them into the "evil" pile and move on.

I welcome this discussion.


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One of the boys threw blue Humbrol modelling paint, which they had stolen earlier, into Bulger's left eye.
They kicked him, stamped on him and threw bricks and stones at him.
Batteries were placed in Bulger's mouth
Finally, the boys dropped a 22-pound (10.0 kg) iron bar, described in court as a railway fishplate, on Bulger.
He sustained 10 skull fractures as a result of the bar striking his head.
Dr Alan Williams, the case's pathologist, stated that Bulger suffered so many injuries —42 in total— that none could be isolated as the fatal blow.
Thompson and Venables laid Bulger across the railway tracks and weighted his head down with rubble, in the hope that a train would hit him and make his death appear to be an accident.
After they left the scene, his body was cut in half by a train.
Bulger's severed body was discovered two days later on 14 February
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I have absolutely no hesitation in describing those children now adults as pure scum of the earth and yes they are absolutely evil for brutally torturing a defensless toddler to death in the most horrific way possible which they have never shown an ounce of remorse for so forgive me if I don't follow your advice because the simple fact is they are cold blooded killers who should have rotted in prison for the rest of their lives.
But we don't know that though because they've have to live the rest of their lives in secrecy in case of vigilante attacks. No one knows (well in the case of Robert Thompson anyway) what type of adults they are or how they feel.
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But we don't know that though because they've have to live the rest of their lives in secrecy in case of vigilante attacks. No one knows (well in the case of Robert Thompson anyway) what type of adults they are or how they feel.
I was in the north of England at the time. I couldn't give one ****e how they "feel" as adults..
They're sick bastards who should still be locked up
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It's coming up to the 256th anniversary so it will be on people's minds to remember this.
The film uses transcripts from the police interviews and from what we can surmise then it will be the words of two scared witless boys explaining how and why they murdered a toddler.

For the most part, we simply see photos of the killers, we listen to descriptions of them. We never hear from them. They most certainly would not be presented sympathetically in the film. The humanising part is the performances of the actors who will let us focus on the fact that these were actually ten year old kids who committed murder.

In the same vein, I posted in the 'I bet you didn't know that' thread recently about a recording of Hitler speaking in his normal speaking voice. We usually just hear Hitler orating, making impassioned political speeches like a deranged loon. This is done deliberately to maintain the notion that this guy was just an evil mad man which is true and to not humanise him.

Yet to hear his speaking voice it humanises him in a very disturbing way. You realise this guy was just a man, just like me, chit chatting away absentmindedly to others as if he was just back to work discussing what he'd done over new years while in the throes of death and destruction across the world.

It's the same here. To watch a short film with two ten year olds talking like ten year olds. The difference being that they talk normally while we know they've committed such a horrible murder. It makes it all the more disturbing that way and I am sure this is the intent of the production.

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You'll have the usual pattern of people defending these evil bastard's, always from the left.

I seen something a while back about lefties saying paedophiles are another sexual orientation, and how hard it must be to be rejected by society for being a naunce.

If society ever say's it's ok to be a naunce or child killer then Armageddon has surely arrived.

They don't belong here, they're sick twisted and need to be all rounded up and strung up by their nuts and bolts....
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But we don't know that though because they've have to live the rest of their lives in secrecy in case of vigilante attacks. No one knows (well in the case of Robert Thompson anyway) what type of adults they are or how they feel.
And I for one just don't fúcking care. I'd quite happily strike the match to burn either or both of them at the stake. They are absolute scum and will never, not in a million years, ever be deserving of any shred of sympathy.

Some things really are black and white.
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But we don't know that though because they've have to live the rest of their lives in secrecy in case of vigilante attacks. No one knows (well in the case of Robert Thompson anyway) what type of adults they are or how they feel.
I still feel guilty about the time I released a specimen bass and it washed in belly up onto the beach a while after....

It doesn't matter, they're evil.
Im sceptical about people who don't see anything otherwise.
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