Phoenix Park Tunnel reopening and City Centre Resignalling

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Increasing North of Connolly from 2 to 4 lines would require major CPOing, demolition and cost a lot more than KRP2. Even DU is more likely to happen than adding tracks to the northern line.

As said it needs to be done or at least some parts need to have it carried out.

thomasj wrote: »

Have to disagree with this .

You make it sound like broombridge luas is the answer to maynooth line problems but the fact is its a long detour through phibsboro, grangegorman, O'Connell Street etc.

Would put people off taking that step. It may suit students and some people using north city but I'd say for the majority, this would be a daft move and we would see no major drop in passenger numbers on maynooth line heading to city.

Security reputation of the red line luas doesn't help either.

Not the answer but it's bound to take quiet a few passengers away. I did say an increased service is needed however that's still possible without DU which was my main point.

The long detour will balance out the snails pace into from Drumcondra in Pearse with lots stops at signals. Average times at peak from next timetable are 18-19 minutes to Pearse and 24 to S Green and probably take 2-3 off if you were to calculate to Triity stop as it's same area of Pearse

thomasj wrote: »

But that's presumption that you're on the tram and away straight away, is it going to be enough to see people get off one mode and onto another? I'm not convinced.

True but guess it's the joy of the Leap Card which gives people the options.

Worth remembering been on lightly loaded tram at terminus might really suit a lot of people than a packed 2900 and in generally a cramped tram is better than a train.

Not a replacement but as I said the point that DU is no necessary is my real point.

The RPA's own business case don't see huge numbers switching at Broombridge.

I don't see huge numbers switching myself, unless they are going to somewhere specifically along the Green Line that's not within a short walk of the city centre rail stations.

Having to pay twice alone will be a turn off, and bearing in mind that only half the trams are planned to serve Broombridge (the other half turning at Parnell), this will make it nigh on impossible for people to figure out when to get onto a tram to get to Broombridge for a specifically timed outbound train.

Nor has there been any suggestion of terminating any Maynooth line trains at Broombridge as suggested above. That is total nonsense. People should not start muddying threads like this with completely unsubstantiated suggestions that have no grounding other than in their imagination.

markpb wrote: »

The RPA have gotten passenger predictions badly wrong in the past so it's not beyond belief they they could make a mistake this time too. At the end of the day, it's a prediction and nothing else.

Leap card transfer rebates will certainly make it more attractive to switch. A lot depends on the frequency from Broombridge which hasn't been fully decided yet (that I know of). We'll see in the next few years how it plays out.

Really? I'm not sure that the business cases have actually been that far off in the past.

Every 6 minutes at peak times is the planned LUAS frequency for Broombridge (every 3 minutes through the city from the southern end with every second tram turning at Parnell).

I'd also imagine that most people commuting have season tickets - LEAP transfer rebates don't apply in that case. Either way that means people paying twice for a trip that they currently pay only once for if they switch.

I'd be inclined to think that it's bus passengers that may switch one. With the nightmare traffic in peak hours in mornings people may find it a decent alternative. Likewise compared to traffic on navan road in evenings , they may take the luas to broombridge and switch to train from there .

Zebra3 wrote:

A fair assumption I think would be that greater numbers might change at Broombridge from train to Luas than for Luas to train given the difference in frequency.

Presumably those people will want to go home at some stage?