Clare GAA Discussion - 2024 All Ireland Hurling Champions

Keano · 15-06-2019 9:43am

Ryan has no pace for wing forward and should have been hauled off at half time against Tipp. Yet he gets back in the team!

Gael85 · 15-06-2019 12:04pm

How come David Reidy not on panel this year?

LuckyGent88 · 15-06-2019 12:50pm

Gael85 wrote: »

How come David Reidy not on panel this year?

I was told he got sick of all the over analysis and reliance on stats and long video sessions. Obviously just hear say so don’t swear by that.

Certainly missed this year anyway as another option.

letowski · 15-06-2019 2:44pm

People may think it's meaningless if we lose against Cork because we are not going to win anything this year, but tomorrow still has some importance. Another hammering would set Clare back a step in the future both confidence wise and in terms of team expectations going into championships.

Most of our core group of hurlers are still in their mid 20's or younger. We still have, in my opinion, about 9/10 quality starters on our team, but we need to inject the team with a couple of new players next year to get back competing at the top table. As bad as we were this year, I don't think we are a million miles off it. A good new coaching ticket and three new good additions to the starting team, along with the return of some players (likes of Reidy, McGrath, Cunningham, Shanahan, O'Brien, etc) should see us back hurling well.

Now whether we can get any of those players/coaches is another story, but it's important for the future that the players make a stand tomorrow and try to reset that bar of what is acceptable in terms of performance. The day these players accept and get used to hammerings is the day they will have no chance of any more success at senior level. Its an over used saying but they need to put pride back in the shirt.

LuckyGent88 · 15-06-2019 8:51pm

Let’s hope those lads tomorrow can produce one big performance. No reason they can’t anyway.

windy shepard henderson · 15-06-2019 9:18pm

caddy16 wrote: »

Who could replace them?

i would have given jason mccarthy a run also given morey another chance it might mean moving someone like browne back to full back , if it didn't work out at least it would make lads fight for there own jersey

also in terms of stopping ball in to opposition forward lines , i would probably be looking at dropping someone like golden and bringing on ian galvin aidan mccarthy or taylor again if it doesn't work it makes lads fight for there place

last week adrian mullen form kilkenny was substituted after about 15 minutes against galway tonight he got the message and was flying

i dont buy the argument that we dont have a better alternative to the 15 that are starting especially when we are being beaten out the gate two weeks in a row

BloodyBill · 15-06-2019 9:26pm

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

i would have given jason mccarthy a run also given morey another chance it might mean moving someone like browne back to full back , if it didn't work out at least it would make lads fight for there own jersey

also in terms of stopping ball in to opposition forward lines , i would probably be looking at dropping someone like golden and bringing on ian galvin aidan mccarthy or taylor again if it doesn't work it makes lads fight for there place

last week adrian mullen form kilkenny was substituted after about 15 minutes against galway tonight he got the message and was flying

i dont buy the argument that we dont have a better alternative to the 15 that are starting especially when we are being beaten out the gate two weeks in a row[/quote

]terrible team to put out after 2 tankings. No trust in the squad. Those 2 managers are truly awful. Tomorrow is the time to gamble and to make wholesale changes...actually last week was in hindsight. They ll get some sort of response tomorrow but will it be enough.

keeponhurling · 15-06-2019 10:08pm

Galway going out of the championship will keep Cork minds focused on tomorrow.
Unfortunately.

If that Cork FF line get the same ball Limerick did , them it could be a very uncomfortable afternoon.

Hio · 15-06-2019 10:45pm

Hard to see Clare even competing tomorrow with Cork in my view, rule out a win for sure because when Clare were doing better last year and the year before Cork were still a bogey team beating Clare in the last two Munster finals and also the round robin game too. Morale is at an all time low & Cork will exploit that even further I believe in Ennis tomorrow. I would love to think I am off the mark but most pundits are thinking the same. Fair play to Dublin who knocked Galway out of the championship tonight and also well done to Davys Wexford who qualified for the Leinster Final and the all ireland series. I know it might be a bit early but can't help asking out there what contenders will there be does one think for the Clare Hurling Manager next year/season. The Munster League will be on in December so no harm to get things rolling now because bar two miracles looks like this season is already finished for Clare

Hio · 15-06-2019 10:45pm

Hard to see Clare even competing tomorrow with Cork in my view, rule out a win for sure because when Clare were doing better last year and the year before Cork were still a bogey team beating Clare in the last two Munster finals and also the round robin game too. Morale is at an all time low & Cork will exploit that even further I believe in Ennis tomorrow. I would love to think I am off the mark but most pundits are thinking the same. Fair play to Dublin who knocked Galway out of the championship tonight and also well done to Davys Wexford who qualified for the Leinster Final and the all ireland series. I know it might be a bit early but can't help asking out there what contenders will there be does one think for the Clare Hurling Manager next year/season. The Munster League will be on in December so no harm to get things rolling now because bar two miracles looks like this season is already finished for Clare

windy shepard henderson · 15-06-2019 10:57pm

Hio wrote: »

Hard to see Clare even competing tomorrow with Cork in my view, rule out a win for sure because when Clare were doing better last year and the year before Cork were still a bogey team beating Clare in the last two Munster finals and also the round robin game too. Morale is at an all time low & Cork will exploit that even further I believe in Ennis tomorrow. I would love to think I am off the mark but most pundits are thinking the same. Fair play to Dublin who knocked Galway out of the championship tonight and also well done to Davys Wexford who qualified for the Leinster Final and the all ireland series. I know it might be a bit early but can't help asking out there what contenders will there be does one think for the Clare Hurling Manager next year/season. The Munster League will be on in December so no harm to get things rolling now because bar two miracles looks like this season is already finished for Clare

yep , well done davey we all still love you up here in clare

christy ring cup here we come :pac:

Figerty · 15-06-2019 11:03pm

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

yep , well done davey we all still love you up here in clare

christy ring cup here we come :pac:

Great news from Wexford.. means Davy will probably stay there for another year. 3 draws, so he's getting closer to winning a serious game!

Gael85 · 16-06-2019 12:16pm

Any chance Colm Collins would call Conor Cleary into football set up with hurlers more than likely gone? Cathal Malone was very good for Ennistymon in club football championship last year. Did he ever play minor/u21 football for Clare?

LuckyGent88 · 16-06-2019 1:24pm

Great stuff from the minors. Might give the seniors a bit of a boost.

Now to find a pub with this Tipp limerick game on

keeponhurling · 16-06-2019 1:28pm

Any chance Ger Loughnane could come back and give the pre-match talk ?

Tell them they’re going to win the All-Ireland this year, beating Cork just another step along the way

LuckyGent88 · 16-06-2019 1:43pm

keeponhurling wrote: »

Any chance Ger Loughnane could come back and give the pre-match talk ?

Tell them they’re going to win the All-Ireland this year, beating Cork just another step along the way

Mad to think this group could actually do that if the team and management got there **** together.

Changes aplenty in the lineup I hear anyway

Gael85 · 16-06-2019 1:44pm

Jason & Aidan McCarthy and Seadna Morey starting for Clare.

lab man · 16-06-2019 3:53pm

great win by clare

Gael85 · 16-06-2019 3:59pm

Clare first Munster win over Cork since 98.

False Prophet · 16-06-2019 4:02pm

lab man wrote: »

great win by clare

Minors yes.

Seniors too little too late.
Just hope that the win isnt used to cover up the mistakes from the previous 2 embarrassing performances.
Hopefully we get a new management team (asap) and refreshed squad for next year with everyone having to fight to get a starting slot.
Next year wont be easy either with cork and tipp away.

Seadin · 16-06-2019 4:22pm

Gael85 wrote: »

Clare first Munster win over Cork since 98.

Fully deserved.

lab man · 16-06-2019 4:23pm

@false, I was only talking about the match today, I think the management should have taken Tony off as a statement late in second half

windy shepard henderson · 16-06-2019 4:35pm

False Prophet wrote: »

Minors yes.

Seniors too little too late.
Just hope that the win isnt used to cover up the mistakes from the previous 2 embarrassing performances.
Hopefully we get a new management team (asap) and refreshed squad for next year with everyone having to fight to get a starting slot.
Next year wont be easy either with cork and tipp away.

agree , it should not cover up the reason as to why we are out of the championship ,

it might be harsh on two lads that have done so much for clare hurling but in fairness we knew since late last year that we had 3 key games in 3 weeks and we probably needed to win 2 of them

to lose to limerick in that manner was terrible last week

False Prophet · 16-06-2019 4:39pm

lab man wrote: »

@false, I was only talking about the match today, I think the management should have taken Tony off as a statement late in second half

Understood but guess I'm afraid of us ending up with same management,players and tactics for another season based on it.

LuckyGent88 · 16-06-2019 4:48pm

Can’t comment on the game itself but delighted we were able to beat Cork today after all the defeat as the last couple of years.

Two great goals from two key players and while nobody can condone it, it was some bit nice to sit GOC throw Kearney to the ground. The scrutiny and pressure of the last few weeks seemed to have taken there toll.

I have no doubt that they will step down now and they should be commended for the work and time they have given to Clare and never forget the success they have given us.

We are still a fairly young team but it’s time for a little tough love I think. No more over analysis of everything. Just go out and play the way yee can and add in intensity and aggression.

windy shepard henderson · 16-06-2019 4:58pm

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Can’t comment on the game itself but delighted we were able to beat Cork today after all the defeat as the last couple of years.

Two great goals from two key players and while nobody can condone it, it was some bit nice to sit GOC throw Kearney to the ground. The scrutiny and pressure of the last few weeks seemed to have taken there toll.

I have no doubt that they will step down now and they should be commended for the work and time they have given to Clare and never forget the success they have given us.

We are still a fairly young team but it’s time for a little tough love I think. No more over analysis of everything. Just go out and play the way yee can and add in intensity and aggression.

intensity and aggression the too things we lacked in the limerick and tipperary games , we were full of that today hopefully we learn from this

as for the game its self , second half was played in torrential rain thunder lightning the works anyone on the open terraces got soaked

i could list nearly everyone that put on a clare jersey today all played well , in particular i would say jack browne , diarmuid ryan , peter duggan , kelly and SOD were all excellent

morey and jason mccarthy also did well enough , cork will be worried about certain areas where they got well beat but you would be surprised if they didnt make the all ireland semi final again

Sir Guy who smiles · 16-06-2019 5:07pm

False Prophet wrote: »

Understood but guess I'm afraid of us ending up with same management,players and tactics for another season based on it.

I'm pretty sure the two managers were planning to leave anyway, even if the year went well. They have more going on in their day jobs than most of the possible alternatives.

I was delighted to see them get a chance, the u21 team they built was a joy to watch. This season and 2017 were disapointing but they had earned a chance.

No manager is gauranteed of success, look at Loughnane's time with Galway.

opinionated3 · 16-06-2019 10:21pm

Super win today in tough conditions in the second half. Those who looked to drop Kelly and Shane got their answer today. Madness. Played a lot more direct today, dare I say it even off the cuff at some points. Got our reward with conlon and Duggan getting on to more ball and chances being created for other forwards. Poses the question why these tactics weren't adopted at an earlier stage in championship.
Disappointing to exit the championship at this early stage but time to look to the future. Current management quite simply not good enough. Major rumour doing the rounds of a A Daly/ John o Meara amalgamation, which I wouldn't be in favour of at all but it is what it is. I want Paul kinnerk but I know it's not going to happen. Maybe Anthony Cunningham??

windy shepard henderson · 16-06-2019 10:29pm

opinionated3 wrote: »

Super win today in tough conditions in the second half. Those who looked to drop Kelly and Shane got their answer today. Madness. Played a lot more direct today, dare I say it even off the cuff at some points. Got our reward with conlon and Duggan getting on to more ball and chances being created for other forwards. Poses the question why these tactics weren't adopted at an earlier stage in championship.
Disappointing to exit the championship at this early stage but time to look to the future. Current management quite simply not good enough. Major rumour doing the rounds of a A Daly/ John o Meara amalgamation, which I wouldn't be in favour of at all but it is what it is. I want Paul kinnerk but I know it's not going to happen. Maybe Anthony Cunningham??

cant see anthony cunningham as he is in a comfort zone in roscommon and probably a better football coach in my opinion

daly was always in line , a lot of people wanted him in ahead of gerry and donal in 2016 , he pulled out to avoid conterversory knowing he would likely get another shot at it again

if it was daly with o'meara o'meara would be the coach , he has serious work done in the bridge maybe not the best tactical person on the line but an excellent coach

we wont get kinnerk ,not when limerick are flying which they are at the moment today aside

opinionated3 · 16-06-2019 10:34pm

Even gaa people in the bridge think o Meara as a bit of a spoofer who got lucky with a talented bunch of lads. I want the best for my county, not second rate. If I was county board chairman, I'd be busting a gut trying to get kinnerk.

BloodyBill · 17-06-2019 12:48am

opinionated3 wrote: »

Super win today in tough conditions in the second half. Those who looked to drop Kelly and Shane got their answer today. Madness. Played a lot more direct today, dare I say it even off the cuff at some points. Got our reward with conlon and Duggan getting on to more ball and chances being created for other forwards. Poses the question why these tactics weren't adopted at an earlier stage in championship.
Disappointing to exit the championship at this early stage but time to look to the future. Current management quite simply not good enough. Major rumour doing the rounds of a A Daly/ John o Meara amalgamation, which I wouldn't be in favour of at all but it is what it is. I want Paul kinnerk but I know it's not going to happen. Maybe Anthony Cunningham??

Is that the same John O Mara who let his Sixmilebridge team lose a 9 point lead against Na Piarsaigh at home in Sixmilebridge a few years back? A disaster of a manager

windy shepard henderson · 17-06-2019 1:18am

no sign of peter o'connell in the media scrum today , i take it donal would have killed him if he showed up

windy shepard henderson · 17-06-2019 1:26am

excellent stuff from the minors bruiser is doing a serious job to be fair

windy shepard henderson · 17-06-2019 1:31am

BloodyBill wrote: »

Is that the same John O Mara who let his Sixmilebridge team lose a 9 point lead against Na Piarsaigh at home in Sixmilebridge a few years back? A disaster of a manager

he has tons of experience as both player and manager , he is regarded as a decent coach to be fair , but maybe not management wise , he wont be manager if this rumor is true

even daly was questioning the idea of joint managers and do they really work last week so it would be him in charge and no one else if it was true

Clareman · 17-06-2019 11:43am

The difference an interested SoD and Tony Kelly makes to Clare cannot be underestimated, I'm delighted that they showed what they can do yesterday but I have to say it's extremely frustrating to see what they can do after 2 games of them doing nothing. I'm also delighted that I think Tony Kelly's best position might have been identified and that's as a "in and out" corner forward.

protosByte · 17-06-2019 1:23pm

Very disappointing championship. The game against Tipp in Ennis in particular was hard to take. Beating Cork was a good way to sign off though. First time we've beaten them in the Championship since 2013!

I do think a lot of the fault for the season lies with management - the tactics were terrible and didn't suit the players at all. That said - the two lads did their best and some of the abuse they got was a disgrace.

My gut says that Dalo would be a good choice to take over. Would be a little worried if he could handle the tactical side of things though. He's been out of inter-county management for a while now. He'd need a good number 2.

Clareman · 17-06-2019 1:42pm

Whoever gets the gig now has to sort out the players mentally, the difference from last week to this shows that the hurling is there but the want isn't. Daly is probably the best suited person to be able to develop the players and with his connections in the game he'll have no problem getting a great team together.

letowski · 17-06-2019 2:41pm

Very happy for the lads and mmanagement to get the win.

Delighted to see Kelly operate further up the field. I've written quite a bit on the old discussion page that he is best playing in the full forward line and I think going forward we need to be playing him no further than 40 meters from goal.

Overall its been a very dissapointing year but at least we signed off on a positive note. Very grateful for all of D&G contribution to Clare hurling but I feel time has come full circle. And I want to make the point that there is absolutely no shame in that, its just sport, coaches who stay around coaching the same team for decades like Brian Cody, Alex Ferguson, Bill Belichick are very very rare. Gerry is going to get a hefty ban id say anyway. I still genuinely think a fresh new voice with a few cast-offs hopefully to return and 2/3 new panelists like Ryan and McCarthy were this year, we can get back competing well with the best teams.

Also well done to the minors. Brilliant result.

Clareman · 17-06-2019 3:26pm

I think 3 years is about the limit in today's management, the lads have given their all and they've been given a lot of support from the public but their time is up, just imagine if Davy had 2 sideline bans and had someone throw the opposition sliotars over the fence.

As I've said loads of time, I'd like a split from the team of the 90s but Daly is probably the best option available to us at the moment.

Sir Guy who smiles · 17-06-2019 5:30pm

opinionated3 wrote: »

Even gaa people in the bridge think o Meara as a bit of a spoofer who got lucky with a talented bunch of lads. I want the best for my county, not second rate. If I was county board chairman, I'd be busting a gut trying to get kinnerk.

If you want the best why not Brian Cody? Because there is as much chance of him coming to Clare as there is Kinnerk next year.

Clareman · 17-06-2019 5:56pm

I think whatever manager we get should bring in their own team and bring something fresh to the setup, bringing back Kinnerk won't add anything at this stage.

opinionated3 · 17-06-2019 6:58pm

Any takers for Derek McGrath??

opinionated3 · 17-06-2019 7:02pm

Sir Guy who smiles wrote: »

If you want the best why not Brian Cody? Because there is as much chance of him coming to Clare as there is Kinnerk next year.

Well, if you don't ask, you don't get. At this moment kinnerk is second fiddle to kiely. Maybe he has ambitions of managing his own team, with his own backroom staff. I'm fully aware JP and the Limerick county board wouldn't be happy but an approach to him should not be ruled out.

caddy16 · 17-06-2019 7:16pm

Incredible point from Sean Ronan in the minor game near the end, looking forward to seeing it again tonight.

Clareman · 17-06-2019 7:21pm

caddy16 wrote: »

Incredible point from Sean Ronan in the minor game near the end, looking forward to seeing it again tonight.

https://twitter.com/GAA__JOE/status/1140635121785155584?s=19

Clareman · 17-06-2019 7:22pm

opinionated3 wrote: »

Any takers for Derek McGrath??

Nope, if we are going outside the county I'd like to have a proven All Ireland winner

caddy16 · 17-06-2019 7:31pm

Clareman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GAA__JOE/status/1140635121785155584?s=19

Thanks even better than I thought, a catch to spare as well!

windy shepard henderson · 17-06-2019 9:24pm

opinionated3 wrote: »

Any takers for Derek McGrath??

too complicated in his approach , if you are going outside the county you would want to be talking about eamon o'shea of mike ryan from tipperary , there style of play would suite us much more

letowski · 17-06-2019 9:52pm

The positive thing about getting a new management is where the team itself is at in terms of development. The core group of Clare senior hurlers are pretty much in their prime, we are just short probably about 4 players imo. We dont need a new management to start a rebuild, or one that is taking over a core group in its last few years (like Daly did in 2004).

To be totally honest with people, I'm not too pushed about getting the biggest names or the most decoriated CVs to take over management of Clare. I dont see it as imperative. As I said, we are not rebuilding, so this team does not need alot of guidance from the sideline anymore.

Most people have Daly as their obvious candidate and I get it, but I'm not exactly sure do I love the idea. He will have the lads fired up of course, but he has always being a pragmatist in his managerial career (that's not a knock, his mostly had to cut his cloth to suit). But the team for me needs more of a manager that will give them a license to go at and take the game to the opposition.

For me, really I'm more interested in candidiates who can bring fresh new outlook and ideas to a team. Gherefore we can take the risk with a young coach becuase this team doesn't need a massive amount of developing. They need someone who can get them back on form. Over on the Waterford forum, they talk of Shefflin, which is obviously a long shot, but its the kind of thinking I would subscribe to. Maybe someone like Tommy Dunne who has alot of coaching experience (he is coaching Tipp but he could take a manager offer)? Or EOS as WSH mentioned above. I don't know, I'll post my opinions when we get an idea of who potentially will come forward.

Overall I think this team got overburdened with tactics this year and got lost in exactly what game plan they were trying to play. I think going forward, a young coach might be the best way in terms of simplfying things a bit, but also play players like Diarmuid Ryan, Davy McInerney and Tony Kelly in more suitable roles and just get at teams. Bring a bit of buzz and enthuasism back in team that will get the crowds out and spirits up.

Ps. For the love of what is all good and beautiful in this world, please not fupping Derek McGrath lolol

keeponhurling · 17-06-2019 9:59pm

opinionated3 wrote: »

Any takers for Derek McGrath??

Maybe we could even coax Fanning away from Waterford

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