Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

Neyite · 07-05-2021 3:48pm

Ms. Newbie18 wrote: »

I did not know that! Interesting... They will be trading as Duke and Duchess for the rest of their days so...

Yes, possibly! Andrew's ex wife is still Duchess of York and they divorced yonks ago so would be a good example of that. Now if he remarried, Fergie might have her title changed or his new wife might have a title styled to differentiate her. So Fergie could become Lady Sarah, or the (hypothetical) new wife could be something like Princess Andrew, depending on what the monarch decided.

Wallis got the title of Duchess of Windsor but not the HRH title but that's because he abdicated before marrying her and she was never a working royal so the the delicate issue of whether or not to make her a HRH was thankfully avoided there, much to the Queen Mother's relief I'm sure.

Funnily enough, Diana's title was never actually Princess Diana. Her official title was HRH Diana, Princess of Wales as she became a princess by marriage. Only offspring born of a monarch or direct heir can be titled prince or princess before their first name. (So Princess Margaret, Princess Charlotte etc) But the media christened her Princess Diana and that was that really. Camilla is technically now the Princess of Wales but chooses not to use that title for obvious reasons. But there's no similar obstacle when Charles ascends the throne, Kate will likely become Catherine, Princess of Wales, though she is a princess of the Uk anyway already via marriage

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Where did this letter to her father come from? Where was it printed? Is it new?

I think it was the Daily Mail -who she subsequently sued for printing a private letter.

We've all composed a text or email to someone we know is likely to pass it on behind our back and this letter reads exactly like that.

valoren · 07-05-2021 4:55pm

I'm sure I read that the judges summary of the case about publishing contents of the private letter contained even MORE parts of the private letter than was originally published.

Ms. Newbie18 · 07-05-2021 5:10pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Where did this letter to her father come from? Where was it printed? Is it new?

It was printed last year. The DM was one of the rags to run with it. Its forms part of her cases against them.

Ms. Newbie18 · 07-05-2021 5:17pm

Neyite wrote: »

Yes, possibly! Andrew's ex wife is still Duchess of York and they divorced yonks ago so would be a good example of that. Now if he remarried, Fergie might have her title changed or his new wife might have a title styled to differentiate her. So Fergie could become Lady Sarah, or the (hypothetical) new wife could be something like Princess Andrew, depending on what the monarch decided. .

Well Fergi set the trend there then. She used her title on her books and brand deals..

Ms. Newbie18 · 07-05-2021 5:19pm

Kate's book is now a best sellers and Meghans has had the price cut in the UK...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9553459/Kate-Middletons-Hold-photobook-bestseller-day-released.html

07-05-2021 5:29pm

Love this quote from Angela Levin re Meghan’s book.

“Speaking to True Royalty TV's The Royal Beat, Angela Levin - author of Harry: Conversations with the Prince - said the subject matter of Meghan's tale is 'not interesting' to children.

'Children's books are directed at children. They like elephants, they like nasty tigers. They do not want a lecture about how different your relationship is with your father, whatever level of society you are at,' she claimed. ”

Itssoeasy · 07-05-2021 5:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Love this quote from Angela Levin re Meghan’s book.

“Speaking to True Royalty TV's The Royal Beat, Angela Levin - author of Harry: Conversations with the Prince - said the subject matter of Meghan's tale is 'not interesting' to children.

'Children's books are directed at children. They like elephants, they like nasty tigers. They do not want a lecture about how different your relationship is with your father, whatever level of society you are at,' she claimed. ”

Well I think that goes for many aspects of life not just a book from a member of the royal family. Outside of an actual lecture, most people don’t want to lectured to. It wears thin fairly quickly.

JoChervil · 07-05-2021 6:27pm

end of the road wrote: »

he tried to reach her in a different way? ah that's alright then.
perhapse you kno, he could have written letters or something else instead of trying to use imotional black mail via the media?

Still, please give me examples of his outrageous behaviour BEFORE she cut him off.

So they could have dealt with problems they had in RF also in private. They felt silenced, they did an interview. He was silenced by her, but he couldn't do it. Double standards?

Still, please give me examples, otherwise all his behaviour AFTER the cut off was provoked by her.

maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't.
either possibilities are as likely as the other.

We all know that it would. They can't allow any tiny aspect making them being seen great to go unnoticed.

pjohnson · 07-05-2021 7:31pm

Ms. Newbie18 wrote: »

Kate's book is now a best sellers and Meghans has had the price cut in the UK...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9553459/Kate-Middletons-Hold-photobook-bestseller-day-released.html

That'll be because Britain is racist obviously.

ceadaoin. · 07-05-2021 7:32pm

Neyite wrote: »

Yes, possibly! Andrew's ex wife is still Duchess of York and they divorced yonks ago so would be a good example of that. Now if he remarried, Fergie might have her title changed or his new wife might have a title styled to differentiate her. So Fergie could become Lady Sarah, or the (hypothetical) new wife could be something like Princess Andrew, depending on what the monarch decided.

Wallis got the title of Duchess of Windsor but not the HRH title but that's because he abdicated before marrying her and she was never a working royal so the the delicate issue of whether or not to make her a HRH was thankfully avoided there, much to the Queen Mother's relief I'm sure.

Funnily enough, Diana's title was never actually Princess Diana. Her official title was HRH Diana, Princess of Wales as she became a princess by marriage. Only offspring born of a monarch or direct heir can be titled prince or princess before their first name. (So Princess Margaret, Princess Charlotte etc) But the media christened her Princess Diana and that was that really. Camilla is technically now the Princess of Wales but chooses not to use that title for obvious reasons. But there's no similar obstacle when Charles ascends the throne, Kate will likely become Catherine, Princess of Wales, though she is a princess of the Uk anyway already via marriage

I think it was the Daily Mail -who she subsequently sued for printing a private letter.

We've all composed a text or email to someone we know is likely to pass it on behind our back and this letter reads exactly like that.

Weren't snippets of it leaked to People magazine by her friends, before it was given to the DM by Thomas markle? I think his defense is that he did that to get the full story out there, rather than the bits and pieces that were coming out, and hers was that she had no idea these unnamed "friends " would talk to the press about the private letter to her father that she also sent to them. In full. Sure, Jan.

For example, this story is from before the DM printed the letter

https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-dad-thomas-markle-letter-after-wedding/

retro:electro · 07-05-2021 7:51pm

Ms. Newbie18 wrote: »

Kate's book is now a best sellers and Meghans has had the price cut in the UK...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9553459/Kate-Middletons-Hold-photobook-bestseller-day-released.html

She should stick to writing on bananas

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 07-05-2021 7:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Love this quote from Angela Levin re Meghan’s book.

“Speaking to True Royalty TV's The Royal Beat, Angela Levin - author of Harry: Conversations with the Prince - said the subject matter of Meghan's tale is 'not interesting' to children.

'Children's books are directed at children. They like elephants, they like nasty tigers. They do not want a lecture about how different your relationship is with your father, whatever level of society you are at,' she claimed. ”

To be honest, I find the whole trend of celebrities writing children’s book annoying in general. There seems to be this idea that it’s “easy”. I’d imagine that it’s bloody hard to write a great children’s book and that to be able to do so, you’d have to be a great writer for any age group. I know the odd celeb has had success but I’d say most of them are awful. It must be frustrating for aspiring children’s book writers struggling to get published to witness celebs get handed book deals with relative ease.

retro:electro · 07-05-2021 7:56pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Weren't snippets of it leaked to People magazine by her friends, before it was given to the DM by Thomas markle? I think his defense is that he did that to get the full story out there, rather than the bits and pieces that were coming out, and hers was that she had no idea these unnamed "friends " would talk to the press about the private letter to her father that she also sent to them. In full. Sure, Jan.

For example, this story is from before the DM printed the letter

https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-dad-thomas-markle-letter-after-wedding/

That’s exactly what happened. Her friends leaked snippets of it to People mag, and her father was annoyed at how it was portrayed in the media so decided to release it to clarify things. DM published the letter and as publishers any liability lies with them. But Thomas held onto it for months and apparently had no intention of releasing it until Meghan’s friends went blabbing about its contents. That’s why the whole “privacy” issue is so contested. The contents of the letter had been relayed to others several times over before Thomas ever released it in its entirety. It’s very strange how Meghan isn’t suing her five friends for breaching her privacy since they are the ones who mouthed off first. And how she has gone to such lengths to protect their identity ever being revealed..
How did they see the letter and why isn’t she pissed off that they went to the media and were the catalyst for this privacy shltstorm? Probably because she told them to do it

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 07-05-2021 7:58pm

Ms. Newbie18 wrote: »

Kate's book is now a best sellers and Meghans has had the price cut in the UK...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9553459/Kate-Middletons-Hold-photobook-bestseller-day-released.html

I wasn’t expecting to say this but I think Kate’s book is quite beautiful. Any photos that I’ve seen from it are (they were sent in by members of the public, weren’t they?). I think it will be a nice historic document to have when looking back on this time. It’s a simple idea, done well.

MoonUnit75 · 07-05-2021 8:47pm

From what I recall, there was no media coverage or photos of Meghan’s dad until he was papped carrying a bag of beer cans from a shop. This must have been very ‘off-brand’ and ‘painful’ for Meghan because it all kicked off after that.

Be right back · 07-05-2021 9:04pm

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

From what I recall, there was no media coverage or photos of Meghan’s dad until he was papped carrying a bag of beer cans from a shop. This must have been very ‘off-brand’ and ‘painful’ for Meghan because it all kicked off after that.

Her hubby dressed up as a Nazi at a party in his younger days but the sight of her dad carrying beer cans, well that was the breaking point!! Delightful person altogether.

MoonUnit75 · 07-05-2021 9:23pm

Be right back wrote: »

Her hubby dressed up as a Nazi at a party in his younger days but the sight of her dad carrying beer cans, well that was the breaking point!! Delightful person altogether.

Yeah, the poor man had to issue a statement saying the beer and snacks were for a security guard, not himself. I suppose that’s part of the baffling decision to stage photos of him ‘working out’ before the wedding because he was being portrayed as a beer swilling slob, down on his luck.

retro:electro · 07-05-2021 11:10pm

This is actually gas

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9555451/amp/Ready-Meg-time-story-JAN-MOIR-pens-affectionate-parody.html

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 07-05-2021 11:14pm

I hate Jan Moir ever since the Stephen Gately stuff though. She’s a piece of work. :mad:

retro:electro · 07-05-2021 11:18pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I hate Jan Moir ever since the Stephen Gately stuff though. She’s a piece of work. :mad:

Oh what happened there? I’m not familiar with her really

Leg End Reject · 07-05-2021 11:32pm

retro:electro wrote: »

Oh what happened there? I’m not familiar with her really

She insisted his death wasn't due to natural causes, and drugs were involved. I'm paraphrasing here but she said "Healthy young men simply do not die in their sleep".

This was before the autopsy results became available.

ETA: The article is hilarious though!

Leg End Reject · 07-05-2021 11:41pm

retro:electro wrote: »

She should stick to writing on bananas

I don't get the reference here?

Be right back · 07-05-2021 11:44pm

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I don't get the reference here?

This is what it means..

retro:electro · 07-05-2021 11:59pm

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I don't get the reference here?

She wrote messages like “you are kind” and you are loved” on bananas being delivered in food packages to sex workers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQr9nDLV8I0

Purple Mountain · 08-05-2021 12:03am

Be right back wrote: »

This is what it means..

Da fuq

Leg End Reject · 08-05-2021 12:10am

A banana! A phallic fruit is just what a sex worker needs.

With an empowering message of course.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 08-05-2021 12:11am

retro:electro wrote: »

Oh what happened there? I’m not familiar with her really

She linked his death to him being gay even though the post mortem showed that he had a heart condition. All he had in his system the night he died was a bit of alcohol, if I recall. He and his husband had what sounded like a very tame post-pub party with a lad they met that night who just went to sleep on the sofa after a few drinks. She implied it was some sordid Bacchanal.

She bizarrely expanded on things by bringing up Matt Lucas’s husband who also died that year, seeing this as evidence of the danger of gay lifestyles despite the two cases having absolutely nothing to do with each other. In an article, maybe the same one, she also scoffed at Gately’s family for believing the results of the autopsy. Yes, Jan, how crazy his family were to believe the autopsy results over your diatribe. :rolleyes: It was just nasty, small-minded stuff.

Leg End Reject · 08-05-2021 12:15am

Christ, I'd forgotten how bad it was when Stephen died!

It was incredibly disrespectful and almost personal for some reason. He always seemed like a sound lad too.

Itssoeasy · 08-05-2021 11:01am

Be right back wrote: »

This is what it means..

I was wondering what bananas meant.

08-05-2021 12:36pm

This is actually brilliant. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9555451/Ready-Meg-time-story-JAN-MOIR-pens-affectionate-parody.html

“To my love, upon the occasion of becoming a father
Come my love and tarry forth,
Upon this bench we’ll perch.
I’d never heard of you before we met,
Despite my hundredth Google search.
A Prince you say?
A Duke to boot,
well that’s just
fine and dandy.
I’m against unearned white privilege,
unless it comes in handy.
Let’s talk of the family we’ll raise,
Our babe, our kith, our kin.
Let’s speak of finding freedom,
and play our victim violin.
For this great symphony we have started,
over nations it will cross
And my love while you’re a father now,
Don’t forget who’s boss”

Ms. Newbie18 · 08-05-2021 2:12pm

retro:electro wrote: »

This is actually gas

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9555451/amp/Ready-Meg-time-story-JAN-MOIR-pens-affectionate-parody.html

LOL too funny

Ms. Newbie18 · 08-05-2021 2:15pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

She linked his death to him being gay even though the post mortem showed that he had a heart condition. All he had in his system the night he died was a bit of alcohol, if I recall. He and his husband had what sounded like a very tame post-pub party with a lad they met that night who just went to sleep on the sofa after a few drinks. She implied it was some sordid Bacchanal.

She bizarrely expanded on things by bringing up Matt Lucas’s husband who also died that year, seeing this as evidence of the danger of gay lifestyles despite the two cases having absolutely nothing to do with each other. In an article, maybe the same one, she also scoffed at Gately’s family for believing the results of the autopsy. Yes, Jan, how crazy his family were to believe the autopsy results over your diatribe. :rolleyes: It was just nasty, small-minded stuff.

She is a piece of work for sure. I don't tend to read her articles but that poem is v funny

09-05-2021 1:33pm

Today’s press release. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9558211/Prince-Harry-calls-COVID-vaccine-equitably-distributed-world-VaxLive.html

Sardonicat · 09-05-2021 2:54pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Today’s press release. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9558211/Prince-Harry-calls-COVID-vaccine-equitably-distributed-world-VaxLive.html

'Equality', she wailed, from the back garden of her $14m mansion in her €2,000 dress and jewellery worth several thousands of any currency worth mentioning. Whoever won't be 'activated" by her sincere pleas for social justice has a heart of stone.

Immortal Starlight · 09-05-2021 3:29pm

More puke inducing pontificating from the twit and the narcissist.

Leg End Reject · 09-05-2021 3:42pm

And there we have it. Harry, from one of the most privileged, white families in the world, is now a male feminist, particularly in support of women of colour.

The pair of them are going to end up as caricatures at the rate they're spouting all this drivel.

Itssoeasy · 09-05-2021 4:33pm

While equality is good it does ring hollow coming from Harry and Meghan(and the royal family in general being honest) when they are in no danger of ever suffering from poverty or anything even remotely close to it. The thing is I don’t recall the British royal family being this tone deaf on this issue because they know how badly it would look.

Itssoeasy · 09-05-2021 4:37pm

Leg End Reject wrote: »

And there we have it. Harry, from one of the most privileged, white families in the world, is now a male feminist, particularly in support of women of colour.

The pair of them are going to end up as caricatures at the rate they're spouting all this drivel.

Is the reboot of spitting image still going ? Imagine Harry and Meghan if the original crew were on the go. The queen mother being portrayed as being perpetually drunk and sounding like someone from Birmingham would seem tame.

It’s why I agreed with Ricky gervais at the golden globes. celebrities are in no position to lecture to the rest of us about doing the right thing. The holier then thou stuff isn’t a good look.

indioblack · 09-05-2021 8:47pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Is the reboot of spitting image still going ? Imagine Harry and Meghan if the original crew were on the go. The queen mother being portrayed as being perpetually drunk and sounding like someone from Birmingham would seem tame.

That character was based around the actress Beryl Reid with a Brummie accent.

Itssoeasy · 09-05-2021 9:32pm

indioblack wrote: »

That character was based around the actress Beryl Reid with a Brummie accent.

Beryl Reid! That’s the name I was trying to remember. Thank you.

10-05-2021 12:32pm

Yesterday’s press release stated that Meghan had celebrated Mothers Day by donating diapers etc to homeless pregnant ladies and their babies.

However........ Reading through the article it states

“The donation announcement didn't say the value of what was contributed.

'Today, we are thrilled to have the support of Archewell Foundation, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, and Procter & Gamble, who are donating diapers, cleaning supplies, and other essential items to ensure that the moms and babies at Harvest Home are celebrated all throughout the year,' the caption of the post reads.

According to Harvest Home, the Mother’s Day surprise was accompanied by a personal letter from the Duchess, who is the mother of two-year-old Archie.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9560069/Meghan-Markle-celebrates-Mothers-Day-donating-diapers-homeless-mothers.html

pjohnson · 10-05-2021 12:34pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yesterday’s press release stated that Meghan had celebrated Mothers Day by donating diapers etc to homeless pregnant ladies and their babies.

However........ Reading through the article it states

“The donation announcement didn't say the value of what was contributed.

'Today, we are thrilled to have the support of Archewell Foundation, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, and Procter & Gamble, who are donating diapers, cleaning supplies, and other essential items to ensure that the moms and babies at Harvest Home are celebrated all throughout the year,' the caption of the post reads.

According to Harvest Home, the Mother’s Day surprise was accompanied by a personal letter from the Duchess, who is the mother of two-year-old Archie.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9560069/Meghan-Markle-celebrates-Mothers-Day-donating-diapers-homeless-mothers.html

Was the personal letter wrote on bananas?

10-05-2021 12:57pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Was the personal letter wrote on bananas?

No. She saves the bananas for sex workers.

Be right back · 11-05-2021 7:55pm

They have signed a deal with proctor and gamble for several years. Not sure what the deal involves.

11-05-2021 7:56pm

Be right back wrote: »

They have signed a deal with proctor and gamble for several years. Not sure what the deal involves.

Free diapers for life.

Leg End Reject · 11-05-2021 10:02pm

Be right back wrote: »

They have signed a deal with proctor and gamble for several years. Not sure what the deal involves.

One of the most notorious companies for animal testing. It seems their principles can dissipate for the right price.

Be right back · 11-05-2021 10:26pm

Leg End Reject wrote: »

One of the most notorious companies for animal testing. It seems their principles can dissipate for the right price.

She wasn't happy with them before!

Leg End Reject · 11-05-2021 10:47pm

Be right back wrote: »

She wasn't happy with them before!

Hilarious! They're pimping themselves out left, right and centre. Unfortunately, that strategy can ultimately make you very cheap and tawdry.

Itssoeasy · 11-05-2021 11:57pm

Be right back wrote: »

She wasn't happy with them before!

Ah so some companies aren’t okay until they can offer you money then ? Right got it.

12-05-2021 8:13am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Ah so some companies aren’t okay until they can offer you money publicity then ? Right got it.

FYP

Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

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