Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

ooter · 07-05-2021 11:28am

Minister Harris better watch his back so.

Suckit · 07-05-2021 2:10pm

KOC: "Although we are a democratic party, the reality is that you really can't be putting your name forward for a by election unless you enjoy the full support of the party leadership"
KOC: "It seems very unusual to me, in the case of a by-election perhaps, where there is somebody that has just run a campaign, or who has a significant percentage of the vote and tested electoral success, it's rather unusual that the preference would be indicated towards an untested candidate".
CB: "But only a few weeks ago you were on the Brendan O'Connor programme saying 'what has Leo Varadkar done for Fine Gael?'"
KOC: "I have risen him on occasion and that's my nature, I think in any democratic party there's no such thing as a wrong question"
KOC: "Although I ask the questions, I think it is worth noting that I am a member of Fine Gael, that we did have the worst electoral result, with less than 21%, in three-quarters of a century, that we hadn't any great showing at the local elections, and that, although I did support 'the other guy', the reality is that, I do think it is a valid question to ask that."

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/21950671

Mentions of a sod of turf being cut out, to present her with (implying Country person not welcome in Dublin).
Fine Gael factions.. etc.
Worth a listen.
The more you hear about Leo, the more he really, really comes across like a spoiled little brat. Not the type of person anyone should want leading anything. From his tantrum about 4th year, to the tantrums we saw last year..

Thank God we don't hear it all.

The sexist shouts from the FG crew on here, are also made all the more funny..

jimmycrackcorm · 07-05-2021 2:44pm

McMurphy wrote: »

Kate O’Connell will not run in Dublin Bay South by-election as Fine Gael leadership doesn’t want her

Kate O'Connell not being put forward for the bye election, because "the leadership doesn't want her"

Same Kate O'Connell who helped police with their enquiries about the actual leader of FG and him leaking confidential documents to his friend?

Kate O'Connell hadn't done herself any favours, so it's no surprise she isn't getting any attention. That's long before this.

blanch152 · 07-05-2021 3:07pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Kate O'Connell hadn't done herself any favours, so it's no surprise she isn't getting any attention. That's long before this.

That is a very interesting article, I hadn't known most of it before. The portrayal seems very accurate.

07-05-2021 3:40pm

she's a toxic divisive piece of work without the required cop-on that real-world politics requires.

no surprise that she has been cast out

Brendan Bendar · 07-05-2021 4:15pm

glasso wrote: »

she's a toxic divisive piece of work without the required cop-on that real-world politics requires.

no surprise that she has been cast out

That’s how it seems, for sure.

McMurphy · 07-05-2021 4:21pm

Seems the latest FG handbook being passed around is that it's no longer misogynistic to speak ill of a female FG regardless of their incompetence.

Pretty sure I was accused of being "misogynistic" and posting "personalized vitriol" for having the cheek to post something about Kate losing her seat in another thread......

Edit just checked...... Yep I was accused of exactly that.

A week is a short time in politics, (and what's misogynistic in fg circles)

Suckit · 07-05-2021 6:04pm

McMurphy wrote: »

Seems the latest FG handbook being passed around is that it's no longer misogynistic to speak ill of a female FG regardless of their incompetence.

Pretty sure I was accused of being "misogynistic" and posting "personalized vitriol" for having the cheek to post something about Kate losing her seat in another thread......

Edit just checked...... Yep I was accused of exactly that.

A week is a short time in politics, (and what's misogynistic in fg circles)

Exactly that. To speak of an FG female candidate openly and express your opinions on them often leads to accusations of sexist or misogynistic behaviour..
But it's okay in this instance :rolleyes:..
It seems it's also okay to read a Gript article. I'm pretty sure somebody posted one a couple of weeks ago and had all sorts of names for the publication coming back.

Kate is just better at doing what FG do, then they are.. and it irks them that she does them so well..

Time to call her names :rolleyes: or sully her character..
Even if she was correct backing the other fella, even if she is correct in saying Leo led them to their WORST results in over ¾'s of a century.
Many other, possibly more respectable leaders would have accepted they are not the right person for the job, especially if it was often their gaffes that had the electorate against them and stepped aside once and for all. But not even temporarily, for a criminal investigation into their antics.

blanch152 · 07-05-2021 6:16pm

Suckit wrote: »

Exactly that. To speak of an FG female candidate openly and express your opinions on them often leads to accusations of sexist or misogynistic behaviour..
But it's okay in this instance :rolleyes:..
It seems it's also okay to read a Gript article. I'm pretty sure somebody posted one a couple of weeks ago and had all sorts of names for the publication coming back.

Kate is just better at doing what FG do, then they are.. and it irks them that she does them so well..
Time to call her names :rolleyes: or sully her character..
Even if she was correct backing the other fella, even if she is correct in saying Leo led them to their WORST results in over ¾'s of a century.
Many other, possibly more respectable leaders would have accepted they are not the right person for the job, especially if it was often their gaffes that had the electorate against them and stepped aside once and for all. But not even temporarily, for a criminal investigation into their antics.

Some bizarre straw-grasping going on or strange unspoken allegations.

Maybe I missed them, but I haven't seen any misogynistic comments about Kate in the last few pages. Neither have seen any personalised insults about her. I did see a reference to Varadkar as a "spoiled little brat", which is probably the worst bit of name-calling on the thread in the last few days, but nobody responded to it.

The comment on the Gript article was mine, which was surprise at not having heard some of it before, and saying that it "seems" very accurate, which again, isn't a full endorsement of either the article or the publication.

happyoutscan · 07-05-2021 6:19pm

McMurphy wrote: »

Seems the latest FG handbook being passed around is that it's no longer misogynistic to speak ill of a female FG regardless of their incompetence.

Pretty sure I was accused of being "misogynistic" and posting "personalized vitriol" for having the cheek to post something about Kate losing her seat in another thread......

Edit just checked...... Yep I was accused of exactly that.

A week is a short time in politics, (and what's misogynistic in fg circles)

Same on the SwingGate thread. All of us were nothing more than misogynistic males.

It is pathetic how genuinely pathetic some fans of that party are.

patob · 07-05-2021 6:31pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Kate O'Connell hadn't done herself any favours, so it's no surprise she isn't getting any attention. That's long before this.

Very interesting article that gives an insight into the shenanigans in FG.

McMurphy · 07-05-2021 6:56pm

happyoutscan wrote: »

Same on the SwingGate thread. All of us were nothing more than misogynistic males.

It is pathetic how genuinely pathetic some fans of that party are.

Yep that's the thread where it took place. Seems Kate O'Connell now being damaged goods as far as the leadership is concerned means she's fair game for the FG crew to castigate.

Suckit · 07-05-2021 7:21pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Some bizarre straw-grasping going on or strange unspoken allegations.

Maybe I missed them, but I haven't seen any misogynistic comments about Kate in the last few pages. Neither have seen any personalised insults about her. I did see a reference to Varadkar as a "spoiled little brat", which is probably the worst bit of name-calling on the thread in the last few days, but nobody responded to it.

The comment on the Gript article was mine, which was surprise at not having heard some of it before, and saying that it "seems" very accurate, which again, isn't a full endorsement of either the article or the publication.

No straw grasping.

I haven't ever seen misogynistic comments, but it hasn't stopped the regular FG crew from calling it out every. single. time. a female FG member gets called out for something.

Except Kate. I guess she is fair game now to the very loyal.. :rolleyes: That word carries a lot of irony in FG.

blanch152 · 07-05-2021 9:09pm

Suckit wrote: »

No straw grasping.

I haven't ever seen misogynistic comments, but it hasn't stopped the regular FG crew from calling it out every. single. time. a female FG member gets called out for something.

Except Kate. I guess she is fair game now to the very loyal.. :rolleyes: That word carries a lot of irony in FG.

Again, I haven't seen any alleged "FG crew" making any kind of comment that could be construed in any way as misogynistic. There appears to be a lot of wishful thinking going on.

Anyway, I suppose we should stop talking about other posters, especially as we are agreed that nobody is making misogynistic comments about Kate, and get back on topic.

Suckit · 07-05-2021 9:25pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Again, I haven't seen any alleged "FG crew" making any kind of comment that could be construed in any way as misogynistic. There appears to be a lot of wishful thinking going on.

Anyway, I suppose we should stop talking about other posters, especially as we are agreed that nobody is making misogynistic comments about Kate, and get back on topic.

That's my point, in general, when it is called out (in these subs). Or sexist, racist, homophobic etc.. take your pick.

skimpydoo · 07-05-2021 10:49pm

McMurphy wrote: »

Yep that's the thread where it took place. Seems Kate O'Connell now being damaged goods as far as the leadership is concerned means she's fair game for the FG crew to castigate.

I wonder what she told the Gardai when they interviewed about Leo and his leaking? I'd say Leo must be worried as she has nothing to lose.

Suckit · 08-05-2021 12:11am

skimpydoo wrote: »

I wonder what she told the Gardai when they interviewed about Leo and his leaking? I'd say Leo must be worried as she has nothing to lose.

I was wondering the same before I heard the Claire Byrne interview. I don't think she said anything that may affect him, but she may go back with info she forgot about now. :pac::D

skimpydoo · 08-05-2021 12:22am

Suckit wrote: »

I was wondering the same before I heard the Claire Byrne interview. I don't think she said anything that may affect him, but she may go back with info she forgot about now. :pac::D

She did say she is still a member of FG and going after Leo will get rid of the main reason why she can't be a TD or Senator. I am sure FG won't care if she brings down Leo because as long as he is still Taoiseach FG are damaged goods.

08-05-2021 12:31am

The Claire Byrne interview was Bizzare
I preferred the Callans kicks version though :pac:
I'd imagine Kate o' Connell would have told Gardai,the truth,the whole truth and nothing but the truth
In which case Leo would have nothing to worry about,legally anyway
Not so sure the same could be said electorally
The DBS seat is probably Ivana Baciks now and she deserves it in my opinion career wise

An Claidheamh · 08-05-2021 12:50am

Marine Layer wrote: »

The DBS seat is probably Ivana Baciks now and she deserves it in my opinion career wise

Why does she deserve it?

happyoutscan · 08-05-2021 10:49am

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Why does she deserve it?

I'm gonna guess that anyone who isn't Kate deserves it.

08-05-2021 12:29pm

happyoutscan wrote: »

I'm gonna guess that anyone who isn't Kate deserves it.

Nope, she's been trying a long time
Effort

08-05-2021 2:56pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

Nope, she's been trying a long time
Effort

a long time inability to connect with voters has been demonstrated also.

Loafing Oaf · 08-05-2021 4:41pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

The DBS seat is probably Ivana Baciks now and she deserves it in my opinion career wise

I would have thought the Greens were best placed, given they should be picking up transfers from both government and opposition

seligehgit · 08-05-2021 5:59pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I would have thought the Greens were best placed, given they should be picking up transfers from both government and opposition

Who's likely to pick up the Green nomination?

Surely Hazel Chu's recent shenanigans will count against her irrespective of how well she polled in the local elections.

It appears she's got many backers within the party.

The deputy leader Catherine Martin and her faction within the party,not forgetting her husband.

Can't imagine Eamon Ryan will be her biggest advocate.

Massive schism within the party.

Very hard constituency to call.

I'd have imagined Kate O Connell would have been strongly favoured to win the by election,far less certainty around a James Geoghegan candidacy.

08-05-2021 6:30pm

Leo is risking the seat as he just doesn't like this KOC.

Loafing Oaf · 08-05-2021 6:36pm

glasso wrote: »

Leo is risking the seat as he just doesn't like this KOC.

Looks that way, would prefer the seat go to another party than see 'that woman' win it. Guess a Green victory could be a bit of a face-saver...

Marcusm · 08-05-2021 8:47pm

glasso wrote: »

Leo is risking the seat as he just doesn't like this KOC.

And working with Murph to organise the nomination for young Geoghegan who jumped ship with Lucinda Creighton (KO’C’s predecessor) to form Renua before running back to FG with his tails between his legs when it all blew up on them. I wonder is it his years or prior loyal service to FG which got him back or his establishment credentials - after all not many people can claim to be the child of two Supreme Court justices and the grandchild of two others. It’s not what one would naturally have seen as Varadkar’s approach to politics. He is the creative disruptor rather than establishment after all.

skimpydoo · 08-05-2021 9:34pm

Marcusm wrote: »

And working with Murph to organise the nomination for young Geoghegan who jumped ship with Lucinda Creighton (KO’C’s predecessor) to form Renua before running back to FG with his tails between his legs when it all blew up on them. I wonder is it his years or prior loyal service to FG which got him back or his establishment credentials - after all not many people can claim to be the child of two Supreme Court justices and the grandchild of two others. It’s not what one would naturally have seen as Varadkar’s approach to politics. He is the creative disruptor rather than establishment after all.

One of his grand fathers was a FF TD.

Marcusm · 08-05-2021 9:54pm

skimpydoo wrote: »

One of his grand fathers was a FF TD.

And the other one an FG TD.

09-05-2021 1:07am

Marcusm wrote: »

And working with Murph to organise the nomination for young Geoghegan who jumped ship with Lucinda Creighton (KO’C’s predecessor) to form Renua before running back to FG with his tails between his legs when it all blew up on them. I wonder is it his years or prior loyal service to FG which got him back or his establishment credentials - after all not many people can claim to be the child of two Supreme Court justices and the grandchild of two others. It’s not what one would naturally have seen as Varadkar’s approach to politics. He is the creative disruptor rather than establishment after all.

or tbh, could be at least partly if not fairly easily substantially (aside from Leo's obvious aversion to this particular member) as simple as Lucinda C's intimation that the local FG party members in DBS have come to the rational conclusion that KOC is a pain in the hole?

09-05-2021 1:01pm

https://extra.ie/2021/05/09/news/irish-news/gardai-have-found-no-evidence-varadkar-should-be-charged-after-leak-investigation

FrancieBrady · 09-05-2021 1:04pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

https://extra.ie/2021/05/09/news/irish-news/gardai-have-found-no-evidence-varadkar-should-be-charged-after-leak-investigation

‘There is insufficient evidence to support a charge and gardai will potentially recommend no prosecution, though they may also simply outline the facts and leave it for the DPP to decide.’

Not out of the woods yet so.

09-05-2021 1:04pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

https://extra.ie/2021/05/09/news/irish-news/gardai-have-found-no-evidence-varadkar-should-be-charged-after-leak-investigation

Well, that’s a shocker! Never expected that!

09-05-2021 1:33pm

Since when do Gardai give official statements on matters they've referred to the DPP!

Bubbaclaus · 09-05-2021 1:40pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Since when do Gardai give official statements on matters they've referred to the DPP!

Can you link to the official statement? I haven't seen it.

McMurphy · 09-05-2021 1:43pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, that’s a shocker! Never expected that!

You said she was an unreliable source anyway Maryanne, so undoubtedly you'll not be believing what she writes....

Deleted User wrote: »

Another Twitter dump from an unreliable source.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not out of the woods yet so.

Exactly, it's going to be a binary outcome no matter what, and that Garda source is saying he might be prosecuted, but then again he might not. It's up to the DPP.

09-05-2021 1:44pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not out of the woods yet so.

You may move into the Eoghan Harris thread for kicks soon when riggamortis sets into this story
Oh wait ...already the top poster there:D

FrancieBrady · 09-05-2021 1:48pm

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Can you link to the official statement? I haven't seen it.

Have Garda sources always been right?

No, they certainly haven't, so we are no further on from the last article quoting a Garda source.

Bubbaclaus · 09-05-2021 2:34pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Have Garda sources always been right?

No, they certainly haven't, so we are no further on from the last article quoting a Garda source.

Not sure what your comment means, I was asking for the official Garda statement the other poster mentioned had been issued.

10-05-2021 10:27am

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Not sure what your comment means, I was asking for the official Garda statement the other poster mentioned had been issued.

There has been an official paddy cosgrave statement

https://twitter.com/bloodyshinners/status/1391520144191598592?s=20

blanch152 · 10-05-2021 10:35am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not out of the woods yet so.

So there is a chance?

FrancieBrady · 10-05-2021 10:36am

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Not sure what your comment means, I was asking for the official Garda statement the other poster mentioned had been issued.

I think the poster was being sarcastic as there are those here treating the 'source' as an official statement.

10-05-2021 10:37am

Poor auld Paddy and his online rabble of pirate flags have lost so much time and emotional energy on this story.

What a waste of time. Anger really is an emotion that consumes people. They say meditation is a good tool for handling it. You’d never get women getting this angry and indeed deluded about a story.

JeffKenna · 10-05-2021 10:46am

Marine Layer wrote: »

You may move into the Eoghan Harris thread for kicks soon when riggamortis sets into this story
Oh wait ...already the top poster there:D

Thats an awful post.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 10-05-2021 11:12am

Deleted User wrote: »

Poor auld Paddy and his online rabble of pirate flags have lost so much time and emotional energy on this story.

What a waste of time. Anger really is an emotion that consumes people. They say meditation is a good tool for handling it. You’d never get women getting this angry and indeed deluded about a story.

Nail on the head Dr. Phil. Couldn't have put it better myself.

There will be an awful lot of anger when this gets dropped!

Pintman Paddy Losty · 10-05-2021 11:13am

Marine Layer wrote: »

There has been an official paddy cosgrave statement

https://twitter.com/bloodyshinners/status/1391520144191598592?s=20

The smile on Varadkar in that picture is great.

10-05-2021 11:34am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Poor auld Paddy and his online rabble of pirate flags have lost so much time and emotional energy on this story.

What a waste of time. Anger really is an emotion that consumes people. They say meditation is a good tool for handling it. You’d never get women getting this angry and indeed deluded about a story.

I'd say the ring leaders of this story get off on it
Their followers looking to their masters for more
Thats a reflection on them

Most are already populating social media threads about Eoghan Harris's trolling as methodone to replace the drug that was this made up crime
And good luck to them,I say

FrancieBrady · 10-05-2021 12:03pm

It's one in a now long line of controversies this coalition has embroiled itself in.

If you got genuinely angry at them all you'd be in the padded cell.

Varadkar may very well avoid a prison sentence for what he confessed to, but he will never be able to wipe the slate clean, nor hide under it.

Meanwhile we await the DPP decision, and it hasn't gone away.

RandomName2 · 10-05-2021 12:48pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's one in a now long line of controversies this [organization] has embroiled itself in.

If you got genuinely angry at them all you'd be in the padded cell.

[insert name here] may very well avoid a prison sentence for what he confessed to, but he will never be able to wipe the slate clean, nor hide under it.

[...] and it hasn't gone away [you know].

*Slow blinking*

Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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