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The DP World Tour Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,942 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    fullstop wrote:
    European Tour really looks to be dying a slow death at this stage. A succession of nothing tournaments.
    I thought the weekend was fabulous, beautiful weather, low scoring.
    The play from Higgo and Kiefer was top class.
    I'm not a big fan of the European tour but events like this one are good. Looking forward to the next couple of weeks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,498 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I thought the weekend was fabulous, beautiful weather, low scoring.
    The play from Higgo and Kiefer was top class.
    I'm not a big fan of the European tour but events like this one are good. Looking forward to the next couple of weeks.

    The events can be good, no doubt, but the courses, presentation of the courses etc. these days is so far behind the PGA tour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,942 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    fullstop wrote:
    The events can be good, no doubt, but the courses, presentation of the courses etc. these days is so far behind the PGA tour.
    They are not really comparable just as comparing the European tour to the Sunshine tour or the Australasian one is unfair. That's a money thing and there isn't anywhere near the same money for golf in Europe that there is the US.


  • Registered Users Posts: 981 ✭✭✭mighty magpie


    Would the Walker Cup snub be the reason why McKibbon has went pro?

    Would have thought he'd be nailed on for a college spot in America.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    Would the Walker Cup snub be the reason why McKibbon has went pro?

    Would have thought he'd be nailed on for a college spot in America.

    Might not have the smarts?

    You still need pass the exams even if they help you a lot on scholarship


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,498 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    eagle eye wrote: »
    They are not really comparable just as comparing the European tour to the Sunshine tour or the Australasian one is unfair. That's a money thing and there isn't anywhere near the same money for golf in Europe that there is the US.

    That’s kinda my point. At one time they were broadly comparable, but now the PGA tour is streets ahead and the European tour has gone the other direction, at times it’s more akin to the Challenge tour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    fullstop wrote: »
    That’s kinda my point. At one time they were broadly comparable, but now the PGA tour is streets ahead and the European tour has gone the other direction, at times it’s more akin to the Challenge tour.

    It’s all to do with money. The prize funds on the European tour are tiny compared to the PGA. It’s more difficult for the European tour events to attract sponsors because the game itself is regarded as very much a minority sport in most European countries. In many countries it has hardly any visibility at all so there is no value to the sponsors.
    It’s very unlikely that the situation is going to change anytime soon. The profile of the game in Europe is low and is going to remain low for the foreseeable future while the profile of the game in the US seems to be on an ever upward trajectory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    The last few tournaments have been challenge tour events in everything but name.

    I can only see the gap between the two tours getting bigger at this stage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭the long lad


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    Might not have the smarts?

    You still need pass the exams even if they help you a lot on scholarship


    The fact that he did GCSEs but not A-levels maybe doesn't help, it looks like he needs to do some other exams to bridge that gap to be allowed into uni. There's no doubt that even a couple of years in the US collegiate system would have done him good from a golfing and life perspective.

    I hope I'm proven wrong, but his results don't put him in the bracket of the top top amateurs and I expect it will take quite a few years for him to find his feet as a pro. Looks like he has great backing and a massive profile, which will really help him, but I expect it to be tough for him the next few years and I hope that doesn't stifle him in the long term.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The fact that he did GCSEs but not A-levels maybe doesn't help, it looks like he needs to do some other exams to bridge that gap to be allowed into uni. There's no doubt that even a couple of years in the US collegiate system would have done him good from a golfing and life perspective.

    I hope I'm proven wrong, but his results don't put him in the bracket of the top top amateurs and I expect it will take quite a few years for him to find his feet as a pro. Looks like he has great backing and a massive profile, which will really help him, but I expect it to be tough for him the next few years and I hope that doesn't stifle him in the long term.

    He has the profile as 'the next Rory' because he is from the same Club and is very talented. He hasn't anywhere near the success Rory had as an amateur though. Obviously he is turning Pro now because he wasn't selected for the Walker Cup and wasn't going to hang around another 2 years. Professional Golf is a tough life though and the sponsors invites will dry up quick enough if you aren't performing.

    Good luck to him but I fear he is following the trend we have seen recently of Irish guys turning Pro and having no status in a couple of years. Hope I'm wrong.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 712 ✭✭✭Jimmy Two Times


    Played this Costa Adeje course in Tenerife loads of times over the years.

    Six Par 3s,six par 4s and six par 5s. They seem to have changed the 8th to a par 4 for the professionals.

    Looking forward to seeing it on telly over the weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Played this Costa Adeje course in Tenerife loads of times over the years.

    Six Par 3s,six par 4s and six par 5s. They seem to have changed the 8th to a par 4 for the professionals.

    Looking forward to seeing it on telly over the weekend.

    They really are blitzing the course so far, Caitlin 10 under through 13!

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Considering there are five Par 5s and it's a Par 71 you'd have to think a sub 60 score is a real possibility this week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,989 ✭✭✭Potential Underachiever


    40 under for the win! 4 steady 61's should get the job done.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    James Sugrue to make his professional debut on the Challenge Tour next month, starting with two Swedish events from the middle of next month. He will also play in the Irish Challenge at Portmarmock at the end of May, the scene of his British amateur championship success two years ago.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    James Sugrue to make his professional debut on the Challenge Tour next month, starting with two Swedish events from the middle of next month. He will also play in the Irish Challenge at Portmarmock at the end of May, the scene of his British amateur championship success two years ago.

    Portmarnock Links for the Irish Challenge. Won the Amateur in Portmarnock.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭fearruanua


    Steady start to his professional career for young Tom McKibbin in Tenerife,
    currently -1 through 8 holes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Nice to see Olesen getting back to his best.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Nice to see Olesen getting back to his best.

    I saw the other day that his trial was delayed by 18 months, it was meant to be last summer but got put off to the end of this year.

    I understand the plan was for him to be banned from the tour until the outcome of the trial, but once it became clear how long the delay would be they lifted the ban.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,942 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Nice to see Olesen getting back to his best.

    After what he allegedly did I've no time for him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    eagle eye wrote: »
    After what he allegedly did I've no time for him.

    ‘Allegedly’ is the point.......he hasn’t been convicted of anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    eagle eye wrote: »
    After what he allegedly did I've no time for him.

    Wouldn't be the first person to get drunk and act the idiot. I don't think his career should be ruined by one mistake.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users Posts: 42 nonsheep7


    What are the chances of spectators being allowed to attend the Irish Open in July ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    nonsheep7 wrote: »
    What are the chances of spectators being allowed to attend the Irish Open in July ??

    Close to zero


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,945 ✭✭✭The Big Easy


    nonsheep7 wrote: »
    What are the chances of spectators being allowed to attend the Irish Open in July ??

    I'd say it has a fair chance of being one of the pilot events being outdoors over a large area.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭fearruanua


    nonsheep7 wrote: »
    What are the chances of spectators being allowed to attend the Irish Open in July ??

    Pretty good I'd say if the vaccine rollout delivers on its numbers.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Since March the 21st, at the Kenyan Open, there have been 4 different South African European tour winners. From Justin Harding, Danie Van Tonder both in Kenya, Garrick Higgo last week at the Gran Canarian Open and now Dean Burmester who shot a 9 under 62 to win by 5 shots at the Tenerife Open today. South Africa continue to produce some outstanding talents and have other quality young players like Jayden Schaper and Casey Jarvis who is a huge hitter and with massive potential.

    From an Irish perspective, Jonathan Caldwell dropped away in the final round and finished well down the pack, despite being only 4 shots off the lead after 54 holes. Niall Kearney also finished well down the leaderboard. While Cormac Sharvin and Paul Dunne are struggling to find their best form and missed the cut.

    Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm finding it very hard to get some enjoyment watching European tour golf these days. I would just love to see an Irish player get into contention for a tournament as you get such adrenaline and buzz cheering on a paddy when they are down the stretch contending for a championship. The fact that they are so few Irish players on the main European tour does dilute people's appetite to watching golf on the tv.

    Finally enormous credit must go to Keith Pelley and all the authorities and organizers in bringing golf on the European tour in this difficult environment. Clearly the covid situation is very complex and evolving. Some tournaments have gone by the wayside eg Portugal Masters and French Open. They were suggestions that there could be a Florida swing as part of the contingency arrangements if tournaments got postponed or cancelled. But they have ensured a safe playing environment and experience for players, caddies and coaches and in fairness they have implemented a strict enforcement policy for players to comply with the covid regulations and secure bubbles.

    The European tour is going through a rough patch at present with many of our top players playing in the US and trying to compete with the riches of the PGA Tour. But here's hoping that this recent arrangement/partnership with the PGA Tour will pay dividends for the European tour and hopefully we will se a revival in the fortunes of a tour, that has a proud history and will continue to play a major role in developing the stars of tomorrow and present that's for sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    I fear for the European tour at this stage, the leaderboards the last few weeks have been incredibly weak.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Paul Dunne and Niall Kearney going well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭fearruanua


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Paul Dunne and Niall Kearney going well

    you put the hex on dunne, 2 bogeys and a double in his last 4 holes


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭paulos53


    Another bogey. He has gone from 2nd place to struggling to make the cut in the space of 7 holes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,942 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Wouldn't be the first person to get drunk and act the idiot. I don't think his career should be ruined by one mistake.
    Didn't see this until now but one of the charges is sexual assault. If he's guilty of that his career should be over.


  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭patob


    Great round from Niall Kearney, only 4 off the lead. Hopefully a good weekend coming up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,428 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Didn't see this until now but one of the charges is sexual assault. If he's guilty of that his career should be over.

    The definition of that can be as loose as a Friday night in coppers. Id have yo know the details before condemning him completely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,150 ✭✭✭Xander10


    The definition of that can be as loose as a Friday night in coppers. Id have yo know the details before condemning him completely.

    A night in Coppers might involve two drunk persons. I doubt the stewardess was drunk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,428 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Xander10 wrote: »
    A night in Coppers might involve two drunk persons. I doubt the stewardess was drunk.

    I meant the definition of sexual assault can be pretty loose these days.

    If he told her she had a nice ass with one too many miniatures on board hes a bit of bellend but I don't think he should lose his livlihood. If he followed her down the ailse dry humping and groping her then he should definitely be thrown off tour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,945 ✭✭✭The Big Easy


    I meant the definition of sexual assault can be pretty loose these days.

    If he told her she had a nice ass with one too many miniatures on board hes a bit of bellend but I don't think he should lose his livlihood. If he followed her down the ailse dry humping and groping her then he should definitely be thrown off tour.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9767183/ryder-cup-winner-thorbjorn-olesen-not-guilty-plea-heathrow/

    It's the Sun I know but I think the accusation as was widely reported at the time was that he drunkenly kissed her hand and neck and groped her breast.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Hole in one from Higgo . He should win now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Great performance from Kearney.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭bigtimecharlie


    C'mon Niall, just 2 holes to go.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭bigtimecharlie


    In the clubhouse, T3, 6 back of the leader.

    Just saying......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Excellent round by Kearney. I doubt he'll still be second at the finish but a decent cheque and move up the rankings.

    He would be very happy to avoid Tour school this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Higgo looks to have the game and the temperament to get to the very top of the game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,491 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Must have been disheartening for Kearney watching the 18th green from the clubhouse and seeing his prizemoney heading in the wrong direction .....

    Antcliff (-21) got a birdie to move up to sole 2nd
    Pulkkanen (-20) got a birdie to move up to sole 3rd
    Hojgaard got an eagle, Burmester, Beef (Johnston) and Arnaus got birdies so they joined Kearney on -19 and the five of them finished joint 4th.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,150 ✭✭✭Xander10


    coylemj wrote: »
    Must have been disheartening for Kearney watching the 18th green from the clubhouse and seeing his prizemoney heading in the wrong direction .....

    what cheque is he likely to pick up?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,781 ✭✭✭Motivator


    Xander10 wrote: »
    coylemj wrote: »
    Must have been disheartening for Kearney watching the 18th green from the clubhouse and seeing his prizemoney heading in the wrong direction .....

    what cheque is he likely to pick up?

    On the European Tour, the winner gets 16.6% of the tournament purse. €1.5m total purse for this tournament, solo 4th place gets €75,000 but the tie money is split up to cover the places i.e if there’s 5 players tied 4th then prize money from 4th - 9th is added together and shared among those players.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    I'd imagine not too many Irish players have hit a 61 in competition.

    I'd a 61 myself last week but only played 12 holes :o

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,491 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Xander10 wrote: »
    what cheque is he likely to pick up?

    They’ve posted the numbers, he gets 51k euros.

    They used to show the table of prize money in advance on the ET website under ‘tournament info’ but for about a year now, I haven’t been able to find it anywhere until after the event.


  • Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭jams100


    coylemj wrote: »
    They’ve posted the numbers, he gets 51k euros.

    They used to show the table of prize money in advance on the ET website under ‘tournament info’ but for about a year now, I haven’t been able to find it anywhere until after the event.

    A 26th finish in the Wells Fargo would yield the same prize money (Exchange rate included). It's sad but its why most big players won't play on the European tour.

    Very disappointing that a few Spanish players didn't show up for at least one or two of the events (Cabrera Bello) excluded.

    Hopefully crowds will be allowed back into european tour events soon, they really need that money and the atmosphere the crowd brings. It's a pity we've fec* all Irish reputation on the european tour these days, nice to see Niall get a decent paycheck, hopefully he can push on and get a full card with the limited starts he will get.

    An Irish open invitation should be on the cards for him now surely?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,781 ✭✭✭Motivator


    coylemj wrote: »
    They’ve posted the numbers, he gets 51k euros.

    They used to show the table of prize money in advance on the ET website under ‘tournament info’ but for about a year now, I haven’t been able to find it anywhere until after the event.

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.sportekz.com/golf/tenerife-open-2021-prize-money/


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