What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

alchemist33 · 18-01-2021 10:02pm #1

I've seen two main options put forward on this forum, (1) that he'll remain a political force until the 2024 primaries start up and the Republicans have to take him seriously or (2) that he'll be so mired in litigation that he'll have no time for politics.

There are of course other options for the next 4 years - prison, exile, death or ill-health (he isn't young and he's been under stress), no politics but a business success, emperor. But it'd be an interesting exercise for people to lay their cards on the table now and make their predictions.

Personally I think his political influence will die quickly after the Capitol fiasco but someone else will emerge in 2 years, once the memories have waned, to be the standard-bearer for the QAnon wing.

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Donald Trump · 18-01-2021 10:05pm

Another Eastern European model missus after Melania gets the boot/runs away.

RobAMerc · 18-01-2021 10:37pm

I think he'll go round the world being a right wing pain in the swiss roll for every government stirring sh*t while living off the proceeds. A bit like Nidge Ferrage. I imagine its what Putin has told him to do.

Kermit.de.frog · 18-01-2021 10:39pm

If he is not banned from running through being impeached he'll end up the front runner in the Republican party for 2024.

Zaph · 18-01-2021 10:54pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If he is not banned from running through being impeached he'll end up the front runner in the Republican party for 2024.

It's an interesting one that, because he has indicated that it's something he's interested in. However running a presidential election campaign is ruinously expensive, and I foresee Donald not turning out to be as rich as he boasted he was in the near future. Rumour is the Trump Organisation owes $ 1.1bn, and their main Banker, Deutsche Bank wants nothing more to do with the Trump name. On top of that you have the New York tax investigations, which even if he wins are going to result in huge legal and accountant bills, not to mention all his time that it will take up. Now obviously candidates don't fund campaigns themselves, but given the way political donors have closed their wallets since the insurrection, digging deep into his own pockets may be the only way he has of funding a campaign. I suppose the other way he could raise funds are from the millions of deluded individuals who still support him, but there's a limit as to how much each can donate I believe, so he'd need an awful lot of them to stump up the cash for him to run. Ultimately I think it will be financial, rather than political considerations that stop him from running again.

However, let's say he does somehow manage to raise enough money, can the Republican Party stop him running for them? Presumably you just have to be a member of the party to declare as a candidate, but was Bernie Sanders a registered Democrat when he stood in their primaries? If you do have to be a party member, the simplest and most expedient way for the GOP to deal with the issue would be to rescind his membership, but booting out a former president risks further divisions within the party. I'd guess that privately they're all hoping that he has some sort of health issue that will stop him running and save them having to make a decision.

vurstflavor · 18-01-2021 11:06pm

He will just fade away
He will probably move to Russia as Putin is a good friend of his
The democrats said they will not go after him for fraud or other laws he broke but some states might but russia would not send him back to face charges. The ones that stormed the capital will not be so lucky many will face 20 years to life
For trying to stop the counting of the vote

Trump has asked his advisors should he pardon himself for crimes he committed
But first he has to admit the crimes in america once you lose the election your party will not invite you again

biko · 18-01-2021 11:08pm

Keep doing business I suppose, maybe have another go at Biden in 2024.

Annasopra · 18-01-2021 11:09pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If he is not banned from running through being impeached he'll end up the front runner in the Republican party for 2024.

Im not sure they would want him.

Sweetemotion · 18-01-2021 11:13pm

All the posters in the current thread Trump v Biden thread, who say why do you keep bringing up Obama will be saying. But, but, Trump.

Itssoeasy · 18-01-2021 11:14pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Im not sure they would want him.

They didn’t really want or think he’d get the nomination in 2016 but he did. What the GOP want and get may be two completely different things.

Khumatmibro · 18-01-2021 11:18pm

I think the truth will eventually emerge that the elections were rigged and he was duped out of the office. I have a feeling it won't emerge untill sleepy Joe is out of office due to his age and at that point it will be too late to reinstate Donald.

_Brian · 18-01-2021 11:19pm

I wonder will Biden pardon him. It’s happened before where incoming president has pardoned his predecessor to help smooth the transition and move life on in America.
Big difference here I suppose is Trump made it personal against the oncoming team so they may well stick it to him.

If he’s not pardoned I’d expect he will face a long series of law cases that will break him. The party will rally a bit initially but get sick of him and his trouble and move away from him. The trumps will shrink away from public life as a result of their name being synonymous with shame and corruption.

Sleeper12 · 18-01-2021 11:22pm

Jail

briany · 18-01-2021 11:27pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Jail

If Trump ends up in jail after all the times he threatened Hillary with the same fate, the irony will be sweeter than caramelised sugar, powdered with monk fruit extract, eaten from a chocolate bowl with candy cane cutlery.

_Brian · 18-01-2021 11:28pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Jail

Cant see it.
Cant see the us having a former president in jail

mickdw · 18-01-2021 11:30pm

He was a dead cert to run again in 24 if he had kept his bib alittle cleaner. All he had to do was keep the election fraud stuff front and centre to keep his supporters tuned up, he could then have mounted a serious challenge in 2024.
He went many steps too far with the run on the capitol so i believe he has finished his own and his family chances of another presidency.

18-01-2021 11:31pm

Khumatmibro wrote: »

I think the truth will eventually emerge that the elections were rigged and he was duped out of the office. I have a feeling it won't emerge untill sleepy Joe is out of office due to his age and at that point it will be too late to reinstate Donald.

And then you woke up. Repeating the lie doesn't make it valid.

banie01 · 18-01-2021 11:35pm

I think that the SDNY, the New York state AG and the Georgia State AG and DC prosecutor are going to have the Trump clan tied up in criminal courts for quite a while.
Then there is the slew of civil suits currently awaiting his exit from office, 28 or so at last count.

NY in particular have already had his CFO in and have a huge amount of financial and other issues in play at State level.

Georgia may well take a very strong line in an effort to protect both the integrity and veracity of their elections process and the protection of State officials from undue and criminal influence.

DC prosecutor could well be looking at incitement. The New Yorker video makes it clear that many involved in storming the Congress felt they were directed to do so by Trump.

At a Federal level, Trump should face charges for sedition and insurrection.
He may try an self pardon to avoid those charges.
I don't see such a pardon standing the scrutiny of the Supreme Court TBH.
Given America was borne out of a move away from and rejection of Monarchy.
The court can not IMO allow a President the ability to self pardon and free reign, it immediately provokes the possibility of a return to the "Tyranny" that the framers sought to escape.

Personally, I think Trump is fúcked legally.
Even if he doesn't see the inside of a cell, he will spend the remainder of his life in civil and criminal litigation.

Annasopra · 18-01-2021 11:38pm

All the "I really won and it was fraud" was just a money making racket

Junkyard Tom · 18-01-2021 11:39pm

If the US doesn't convict and imprison him and a number of his staff/family then there'll be a queue of Trump-like presidential candidates for the foreseeable future.

Tork · 18-01-2021 11:40pm

I hate to say it but I can see him playing some part in the 2024 election. I don't think he will be punished in any meaningful way for anything he did. He'll not be stopped from running again in 2024 and he won't be prosecuted for any of his business shenanigans. Despite his age, weight and hamburger diet, the man is surprisingly robust for someone of his age and I don't see being 4 years older stopping him from running again. While I'm sure there are many within the Republican party who'd love to see him gone, that huge vote for him in the last election was significant. If he hadn't fcked up with Covid, he'd be on the cusp of being sworn again.

dhaughton99 · 18-01-2021 11:41pm

Setup a 24 hr News channel

Agent Coulson · 18-01-2021 11:41pm

Like Elvis with a cheese burger in his hand.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-01-2021 11:47pm

I'd have agreed with him running again before the Capitol Riots, but not now. He's too toxic and it would split the party. He could run as an independent, but I don't think he'll have the money by that chance.

My money would be shady business deals as long as he doesn;t get convicted of anything and moving abroad if he does.

Trump Junior to run in 2024 is a much safer and bet from a Republican point of view, I would have thought.

HBC08 · 18-01-2021 11:52pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I'd have agreed with him running again before the Capitol Riots, but not now. He's too toxic and it would split the party. He could run as an independent, but I don't think he'll have the money by that chance.

My money would be shady business deals as long as he doesn;t get convicted of anything and moving abroad if he does.

Trump Junior to run in 2024 is a much safer and bet from a Republican point of view, I would have thought.

If he ran as an independent it would also split the Republican vote.

OS_Head · 18-01-2021 11:52pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

If the US doesn't convict and imprison him and a number of his staff/family then there'll be a queue of Trump-like presidential candidates for the foreseeable future.

That's interesting. Convict him of what? Asking for a friend.

byronbay2 · 18-01-2021 11:58pm

briany wrote: »

If Trump ends up in jail after all the times he threatened Hillary with the same fate, the irony will be sweeter than caramelised sugar, powdered with monk fruit extract, eaten from a chocolate bowl with candy cane cutlery.

Amen, brother!! That would make up for Covid, Brexit and every sh!tty thing that has happened in the past year!

Dr. Bre · 18-01-2021 11:59pm

He will run again and become president

AMKC · 19-01-2021 12:03am

mickdw wrote: »

He was a dead cert to run again in 24 if he had kept his bib alittle cleaner. All he had to do was keep the election fraud stuff front and centre to keep his supporters tuned up, he could then have mounted a serious challenge in 2024.
He went many steps too far with the run on the capitol so i believe he has finished his own and his family chances of another presidency.

Yep exactly. He brought it all on himself. I think he knew what he was doing. He wanted to ruin Joe Biden's inauguration by him having to have the Capital locked down with all the security but he did not think long term about the damage the raid on the Capital would have on himself and looking at it now I would say he regrets it but will never admit that.
He wants to be able to brag that his inauguration still had more people than Obama's which is false by the way Obama's had more and Biden' but Biden' was going to be limited by Covid anyway so in hindsight what he done was utterly stupid and short sighted but I fir one am delighted for him. I hope he just fades away and we do not hear anything from him again ever

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

If the US doesn't convict and imprison him and a number of his staff/family then there'll be a queue of Trump-like presidential candidates for the foreseeable future.

Oh I really hope not. I hope they all fade away they are all as bad as each other.

Sleeper12 · 19-01-2021 12:04am

OS_Head wrote:

That's interesting. Convict him of what? Asking for a friend.

Take you pick. He has broken dozens of laws. He & several members of his family are under investigation for fraud. If he & his family are guilty of no crime, why do you suppose that he has enquired about pardoning himself and his family? Why would he need a pardon?

Samsonsmasher · 19-01-2021 12:09am

First of all Biden will become increasingly senile over the next two years and perhaps will die in office before finishing his term? Whatever I sincerely doubt he will be running for a second term in 2024. That means Harris will have taken over or else will be running in 2024. She is hardly Miss Popular is she? I can't see them winning over 50% of the electorate who either voted for Trump in 2020 or do not recognise them as legitimate. Losing the midterms is very likely so Trump as long as he's still healthy could dust himself down and take them on.
I doubt there will be enough votes for at least a two thirds majority to convict to Trump so there won't be anything to stop him if he wants to.
In red states folklore Trump is a hero and as American as Mount Rushmore the Colt .45 and silicon tits.

briany · 19-01-2021 12:13am

Dr. Bre wrote: »

He will run again and become president

He'll probably want to run again if he's in any way able, and unless there are some major events in the next 4 years to change the shape of politics, I'd figure he'd be a front runner for the Republican nomination. As for actually being elected President, well, 81 million people essentially voted against him last time, and given what we now know about his behaviour as President, he won't be inspiring apathy in his political opponents, which was a factor I suspect helped him beat Clinton in 2016.

19-01-2021 12:14am

His approval rating is at 38%. So maybe selling Maga hats and steak knives on late night TV.

newmember2 · 19-01-2021 12:15am

AMKC wrote: »

I think he knew what he was doing. He wanted to ruin Joe Biden's inauguration by him having to have the Capital locked down with all the security but he did not think long term about the damage the raid on the Capital would have on himself and looking at it now I would say he regrets it but will never admit that.
He wants to be able to brag that his inauguration still had more people than Obama's which is false by the way Obama's had more and Biden' but Biden' was going to be limited by Covid anyway so in hindsight what he done was utterly stupid and short sighted but I fir one am delighted for him. I hope he just fades away and we do not hear anything from him again ever....

You honestly credit him with that much intelligence??
And the assault on the capitol was to reduce inauguration numbers?????:eek:

OS_Head · 19-01-2021 12:36am

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Take you pick. He has broken dozens of laws. He & several members of his family are under investigation for fraud. If he & his family are guilty of no crime, why do you suppose that he has enquired about pardoning himself and his family? Why would he need a pardon?

Which laws?

Sleeper12 · 19-01-2021 1:40am

OS_Head wrote:

Which laws?

He has been impeached twice for starters. He broke several laws insisting that Georgia find the exact amount of votes needed for him to steal the election. He may be charged over the Capitol Coup. Directing a terrorist attack might be worded a bit strong but along those lines.

Explain why he'd want a pardon for him and his family if they didn't break any laws?

John Doe1 · 19-01-2021 1:48am

Defects to North Korea and gets executed after eating all the Cheeseburgers in the country

astrofool · 19-01-2021 1:59am

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

First of all Biden will become increasingly senile over the next two years and perhaps will die in office before finishing his term?

The chance of something happening to trumps health is many times more likely than to Biden in the next 4 years, he's a heart attack waiting to happen, can barely walk up stairs, and most exercise seems to be signing his name or swinging a golf club.

19-01-2021 2:04am

Assuming he's fit to run (legally) I think he'll run and, if he does, will become the Republican nominee.

I suspect he'll carry on his rallies in the mean time. The Republican base is still all his and will be for as long as he wants/has use for them.

And of course he'll set up his own media empire.

crazy 88 · 19-01-2021 2:05am

The republican party will never go near him again. He'll insult them non stop and over a number of years they will distance themselves more and more to the point where they'll be nearly apologising for giving him the keys.

Outside of politics, he'd be mad not to set up some cheap product or service to flog to the millions of Americans who think he's some sort of a God. He has a market size most companies could only dream of. His resorts and golf courses inaccessible to these people. Trump gas maybe.

19-01-2021 2:06am

OS_Head wrote: »

Which laws?

The Emoluments Clause, and this is what the Democrats should have went after him for instead of the Russia nonsense.

OS_Head · 19-01-2021 2:18am

Sleeper12 wrote: »

He has been impeached twice for starters. He broke several laws insisting that Georgia find the exact amount of votes needed for him to steal the election. He may be charged over the Capitol Coup. Directing a terrorist attack might be worded a bit strong but along those lines.

Explain why he'd want a pardon for him and his family if they didn't break any laws?

So you still think the witch-hunt called the Russia collusion, which wasn't was actually real? Ever mongrel on the street knows it was made up by Hillary Clinton and Obama was briefed. The only person convicted was the FBI lawyer for fabricating evidence. But you might have missed that since MSM didn't report it.

Did you actually listen to the Georgia tape in full or did you just listen to MSM's take on it. If you do listen with unbiased ears you will find he was asking for him to find votes that had been switched, went missing or were unverified. Here's the full Trump quote.

And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you're not reporting it. That's a criminal, that's a criminal offense. And you can't let that happen. That's a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that's a big risk. But they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I've heard. And they are removing machinery and they're moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal finds. And you can't let it happen and you are letting it happen. You know, I mean, I'm notifying you that you're letting it happen. So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.

The Capitol Coup that started 12min before his speech finished? That coup? The one were he asked his supporters to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard? That one? That's what the second impeachment is about and the house passed it illegally in 7 hours.

I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard," Trump said in his speech. "Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for [the] integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period.

And that last thing:

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Explain why he'd want a pardon for him and his family if they didn't break any laws?

So you have proof of this? Not just hear say? Because that's all it is. Hear say. Just like the Atlantic anonymous story during last year that got the backing of all left wing press. Later it was shown to be false, but MSM don't really care cos the damage has been done and stories like this suit their agenda.

Now I have taken my time to explain some things to you. You should take some of your own time to independently verify and figure out why all this is happening. Time for you to wake up Sleeper12. Simply going along with the MSM narrative is ignorant and down right lazy unless you really are asleep. Any one that doesn't question MSMs motives are simply allowing them to manufacture consent to these events.

Mules · 19-01-2021 2:19am

I think he'll be back. (I hope he will as he's entertaining)
I can see the Republican party wanting nothing to do with him and him becoming increasingly pissed off with them. I can't see him remaining in politics unless the focus is on him, he's not a team player. He got to the highest political position in the country and the only way from there is down. Perhaps media, I could see that.
I think, prior to the Capitol incident
his future looked assured but he overeached and people are nervous of being associated with him.

Whatever about him personally I think the positions he took that made him popular will be adopted by other politicians. America first, no foreign wars, bringing back jobs, limiting immigration and other popular things will become more mainstream.

OS_Head · 19-01-2021 2:21am

Deleted User wrote: »

The Emoluments Clause, and this is what the Democrats should have went after him for instead of the Russia nonsense.

Sure then you'd have to bring down the whole Deep State. That's their raison d'être.

gormdubhgorm · 19-01-2021 2:26am

alchemist33 wrote: »

I've seen two main options put forward on this forum, (1) that he'll remain a political force until the 2024 primaries start up and the Republicans have to take him seriously or (2) that he'll be so mired in litigation that he'll have no time for politics.

There are of course other options for the next 4 years - prison, exile, death or ill-health (he isn't young and he's been under stress), no politics but a business success, emperor. But it'd be an interesting exercise for people to lay their cards on the table now and make their predictions.

Personally I think his political influence will die quickly after the Capitol fiasco but someone else will emerge in 2 years, once the memories have waned, to be the standard-bearer for the QAnon wing.

Well the train ride is over. A pity for many who were making money off Anti-Trump hysteria.

Judging by the fact that many referred to Trump as comparable to Hitler. Some so called 'professional' commentators who should know better gleefully did so. With a strong agenda no matter how tenuous the point as long as there was confirmation bias.

Plus it even fed through to the ordinary Irish observers on boards.ie who were convinced he was like the Nazi's and Hitler. No nuanced knowledge of the vastly different reasons people voted for Trump. Plus zero attention paid to all the demographics who voted for Trump which included some African American men and a lot of white women who viewed Trump as a family man. Yet he is painted as a racist misogynist by some.

I think his career in politics is over, it certainly won't be world domination. Like many seemed to fear in thier hysteria
He seems to enjoy stress and pressure, oddly. The thing that would destroy him is if he felt he was no longer relevant, and people stopped listening to him. But about half of American's voted for him and many will lose interest now.

Trump will just build more golf courses and do a bit of after dinner speaking about how he was robbed in the election etc. I assume he will release a book of some sort. 'The art of the steal' maybe?

crazy 88 · 19-01-2021 2:28am

OS_Head wrote: »

So you still think the witch-hunt called the Russia collusion, which wasn't was actually real? Ever mongrel on the street knows it was made up by Hillary Clinton and Obama was briefed. The only person convicted was the FBI lawyer for fabricating evidence. But you might have missed that since MSM didn't report it.

Did you actually listen to the Georgia tape in full or did you just listen to MSM's take on it. If you do listen with unbiased ears you will find he was asking for him to find votes that had been switched, went missing or were unverified. Here's the full Trump quote.

The Capitol Coup that started 12min before his speech finished? That coup? The one were he asked his supporters to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard? That one? That's what the second impeachment is about and the house passed it illegally in 7 hours.

And that last thing:

So you have proof of this? Not just hear say? Because that's all it is. Hear say. Just like the Atlantic anonymous story during last year that got the backing of all left wing press. Later it was shown to be false, but MSM don't really care cos the damage has been done and stories like this suit their agenda.

Now I have taken my time to explain some things to you. You should take some of your own time to independently verify and figure out why all this is happening. Time for you to wake up Sleeper12. Simply going along with the MSM narrative is ignorant and down right lazy unless you really are asleep. Any one that doesn't question MSMs motives are simply allowing them to manufacture consent to these events.

MSM...men seeking men?

OS_Head · 19-01-2021 2:31am

astrofool wrote: »

The chance of something happening to trumps health is many times more likely than to Biden in the next 4 years, he's a heart attack waiting to happen, can barely walk up stairs, and most exercise seems to be signing his name or swinging a golf club.

You have got to be kidding. Biden looks like he's on his last legs and the Democrats should be held accountable for Elderly abuse. This man is old and frail and won't last a year. Have a look for yourself.

https://twitter.com/JoshLekach/status/1350623485383516160

Mules · 19-01-2021 2:32am

I will miss the 'respectable' media and politician types hyperventilating over his latest misdeeds

I will also miss his Twitter pronouncements. Maybe he could set up a new social media platform

Overheal · 19-01-2021 2:33am

OS_Head wrote: »

You have got to be kidding. Biden looks like he's on his last legs and the Democrats should be held accountable for Elderly abuse. This man is old and frail and won't last a year. Have a look for yourself.

https://twitter.com/JoshLekach/status/1350623485383516160

I like how even Twitter has started calling out this bs. Makes one seem pretty gullible for still sharing it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 19-01-2021 2:35am

HBC08 wrote: »

If he ran as an independent it would also split the Republican vote.

Oh, absolutely, but I don't think he'll give a **** about the party. He already feels betrayed that they didn't overwrite the electoral ballot.

A trump candidacy world be a headache for the Republicans one way or the other.

Trump jnr on the other hand reduces the risk of a split.

Green Peter · 19-01-2021 2:40am

I think he has a wall to finish, always a project retired public servants start or finish on retirement

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