BROKEN TIMING BELT!!!!!!! OMG , LOL

argosy2006 · 28-04-2012 12:04am #1

So is there any come back for me, as my car broke its timing belt,
Now this timing belt was replaced by garage only couple of thousand miles ago,
So are they responsible,?

carbon nanotube · 28-04-2012 12:06am

have you a receipt..

we need more specifics.

Pottler · 28-04-2012 12:07am

argosy2006 wrote: »

So is there any come back for me, as my car broke its timing belt,
Now this timing belt was replaced by garage only couple of thousand miles ago,
So are they responsible,?

Daewoo, Ford or Renault? What model/make was it:)

argosy2006 · 28-04-2012 12:08am

Pottler wrote: »

Daewoo, Ford or Renault? What model/make was it:)

Volvo s80 d5
Sure i got receipt, Cost 800 euro to do belt,

Nonoperational · 28-04-2012 12:13am

Ya, you should get some satisfaction there. Based on what you've posted they should be sorting you out.

carbon nanotube · 28-04-2012 12:13am

any garage worth their salt should assist you.

argosy2006 · 28-04-2012 12:17am

carbon nanotube wrote: »

any garage worth their salt should assist you.

Not a main dealer, But a well respected garage, Seen it given thumbs up here on many occasions,
But i doubt they will care,

mickdw · 28-04-2012 12:17am

INteresting. My next question would be whether or not you got all advised work done. For example (and I dont know anything about your engine layout), is it recommended that belt tensioner be replaced and did you have that done? Same for water pump if its run off that belt?
The way I see it, its not your problem if all appropriate works were paid for. If you agreed to a short cut, you could be in bother. Either way, I would get it inspected by a volvo dealer who is completely independant of whoever did the belt work for you to get a fair diagnosis of what caused the failure.

zenno · 28-04-2012 12:19am

argosy2006 wrote: »

Volvo s80 d5
Sure i got receipt, Cost 800 euro to do belt,

farout man €800 to get the timing belt installed, that's got to be wrong. It only cost me €150 last year to get the mechanic to put in the timing belt for a mitsubishi colt gl. If that price is correct then i'm astounded.

Stheno · 28-04-2012 12:23am

mickdw wrote: »

INteresting. My next question would be whether or not you got all advised work done. For example (and I dont know anything about your engine layout), is it recommended that belt tensioner be replaced and did you have that done? Same for water pump if its run off that belt?
The way I see it, its not your problem if all appropriate works were paid for. If you agreed to a short cut, you could be in bother. Either way, I would get it inspected by a volvo dealer who is completely independant of whoever did the belt work for you to get a fair diagnosis of what caused the failure.

I'd agree with this, "change the timing belt" is like saying "I'll have a sandwich" depending on the type of car you have especially if you are dealing with any indy as you have.

I changed a timing belt and variator recently on my car, and had a half hour conversation with my mechanic as to what exactly was being covered, water pump, balance belt tensioner, etc etc

The term timing belt is a bit misleading, the term timing belt kit is a whole different story as it includes all the other components imo?

166man · 28-04-2012 12:26am

Interesting thread title, didn't know broken timing belt's were that funny...

:pac:

argosy2006 · 28-04-2012 12:28am

zenno wrote: »

farout man €800 to get the timing belt installed, that's got to be wrong. It only cost me €150 last year to get the mechanic to put in the timing belt for a mitsubishi colt gl. If that price is correct then i'm astounded.

Hi
Ok belt it so much in its self,
Water pump is so much
and tensioners are so much
Plus labour,
All adds up
I don't have receipt to hand,Buti do have it 100%

argosy2006 · 28-04-2012 12:29am

166man wrote: »

Interesting thread title, didn't know broken timing belt's were that funny...

:pac:

Considering it broke so fast its kinda funny,

Pottler · 28-04-2012 12:30am

argosy2006 wrote: »

Volvo s80 d5
Sure i got receipt, Cost 800 euro to do belt,

Renault so?:D?? Actually come to think of it, was this not a Ford effort? Getting a timing belt done is a bit like getting a vasectomy, no guarantee if you end up stuffed, too many variables. A good garage would offer to assist with the repair though but only to some extent, and when all avenues of excuses are exhausted.

argosy2006 · 28-04-2012 12:33am

Stheno wrote: »

I'd agree with this, "change the timing belt" is like saying "I'll have a sandwich" depending on the type of car you have especially if you are dealing with any indy as you have.

I changed a timing belt and variator recently on my car, and had a half hour conversation with my mechanic as to what exactly was being covered, water pump, balance belt tensioner, etc etc

The term timing belt is a bit misleading, the term timing belt kit is a whole different story as it includes all the other components imo?

Whole kit, no corners cut, Waterpump, tensioners, belt,
this was done in Kilkenny,
By a well thought of garage by a tower....................
I don't want to name names,
this car had whole new suspension by same garage, new wishbones,bushings , ball joints, new tyres,all a waste of money now,
had 2000 spent on it in that garage, now its useless piece of scrap,

argosy2006 · 28-04-2012 12:34am

Pottler wrote: »

Renault so?:D??

I dunno, Pretty sure the d5 is all volvo engine,

Stheno · 28-04-2012 12:35am

zenno wrote: »

farout man €800 to get the timing belt installed, that's got to be wrong. It only cost me €150 last year to get the mechanic to put in the timing belt for a mitsubishi colt gl. If that price is correct then i'm astounded.

Depends on the car tbh,a lot of the time the timing belt itself is dirt cheap then when you add in the other belts, water pumps and variators, you are looking at hundreds, iirc my entire kit was about 600 in parts alone and two mechanics for the best part of a day to replace everything

166man wrote: »

Interesting thread title, didn't know broken timing belt's were that funny...

:pac:

They are when you pass them on the side of the road?

OP what make/model car is it?

166man · 28-04-2012 12:36am

argosy2006 wrote: »

Considering it broke so fast its kinda funny,

Very valid point.

On a serious note I'd imagine you would have some comeback against the garage..

zenno · 28-04-2012 12:36am

Stheno wrote: »

Depends on the car tbh,a lot of the time the timing belt itself is dirt cheap then when you add in the other belts, water pumps and variators, you are looking at hundreds, iirc my entire kit was about 600 in parts alone and two mechanics for the best part of a day to replace everything

They are when you pass them on the side of the road?

OP what make/model car is it?

I see, I thought it was just the timing belt alone.

O.A.P · 28-04-2012 12:37am

argosy2006 wrote: »

Considering it broke so fast its kinda funny,

MONEY,MONEY,MONEY must be funny
IN A RICH MANS WORLD.

argosy2006 · 28-04-2012 12:37am

Stheno wrote: »

Depends on the car tbh,a lot of the time the timing belt itself is dirt cheap then when you add in the other belts, water pumps and variators, you are looking at hundreds, iirc my entire kit was about 600 in parts alone and two mechanics for the best part of a day to replace everything

They are when you pass them on the side of the road?

OP what make/model car is it?

Volvo s80 d5 saloon

Nonoperational · 28-04-2012 12:38am

Jasus he paid €800, it was hardly just a belt...

Stheno · 28-04-2012 12:38am

argosy2006 wrote: »

Whole kit, no corners cut, Waterpump, tensioners, belt,
this was done in Kilkenny,
By a well thought of garage by a tower....................
I don't want to name names,
this car had whole new suspension by same garage, new wishbones,bushings , ball joints, new tyres,all a waste of money now,
had 2000 spent on it in that garage, now its useless piece of scrap,

ignore my post so OP, and my apologies.

I've no idea who you are talking about but I'd go back to them and query it.
Could be a faulty replacement in terms of how they fixed all the settings, might be something else entirely.

Best of luck!

Tragedy · 28-04-2012 12:42am

This is the argument for why mechanics provide the parts rather than fitting ones you buy for cheaper.

The mechanic is liable for the damage to your engine, he'll attempt to find why the belt snapped - and if it can be traced to a manufacturing fault, he can claim recompense that way.

Either way, expect to get a new engine fitted f.o.c. or get a solicitor involved.

zenno · 28-04-2012 12:42am

gpf101 wrote: »

Jasus he paid €800, it was hardly just a belt...

I know but it wouldn't surprise me with some garages to be honest. Well I know now it was a lot more than just the belt.

Stheno · 28-04-2012 12:43am

gpf101 wrote: »

Jasus he paid €800, it was hardly just a belt...

Depending on the labour costs and the car, a 150e part could easily cost that in labour to replace if its complex tbh

I replaced the entire tb kit and variator on my car recently and it took 12 hours labour for parts that cost 600, now I was fortunate with my mechanic and his charges (and him knowing purists in my chosen car) but even @ 50e an hour thats 600e for labour plus 600e for parts!

Pottler · 28-04-2012 12:44am

complex car tbf. Might not be that bad depending on revs when it cakked it but probably needs valves/guides/seals and....a new belt. Condolences, and it is sickening.:(

argosy2006 · 28-04-2012 12:44am

O.A.P wrote: »

MONEY,MONEY,MONEY must be funny
IN A RICH MANS WORLD.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1980-MERCEDES-300-SD-TURBO-/140742002298?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item20c4e0867a

I was gonna buy this to replace by car
But it auction ended as i was on this thread ironically,
No timing belt lol
No electronics, 50 year tax
sold for 2500$ I missed out

Fighting Irish · 28-04-2012 12:45am

I know this might sound strange, but what colour was the car?

argosy2006 · 28-04-2012 12:46am

Tragedy wrote: »

This is the argument for why mechanics provide the parts rather than fitting ones you buy for cheaper.

The mechanic is liable for the damage to your engine, he'll attempt to find why the belt snapped - and if it can be traced to a manufacturing fault, he can claim recompense that way.

Either way, expect to get a new engine fitted f.o.c. or get a solicitor involved.

Mechanic did indeed supply all parts and orders all the stuff needed to do belt, tensioners waterpump,
And vacuum pump for brakes, unrelated but another 500 plus for that part,

argosy2006 · 28-04-2012 12:48am

Fighting Irish wrote: »

I know this might sound strange, but what colour was the car?

Silver type color,are you the mechanic ? lol

Stheno · 28-04-2012 12:49am

argosy2006 wrote: »

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1980-MERCEDES-300-SD-TURBO-/140742002298?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item20c4e0867a

I was gonna buy this to replace by car
But it auction ended as i was on this thread ironically,
No timing belt lol
No electronics, 50 year tax
sold for 2500$ I missed out

Bidding ended so not available

Anyway could be that the mechanic who did the work made a mistake or whatever, worth getting it checked out, see the DIY forum and a Nissan Doctor thread about a failed belt for info.

I'd definitely follow up on it, first with the guys who did the work, then if necessary with a second opinion and be prepared for a long hard slog.

Pottler · 28-04-2012 12:49am

argosy2006 wrote: »

I dunno, Pretty sure the d5 is all volvo engine,

Yeah, but a dirty complex fecker with a squeezed in gearbox, the whole lot shoehorned into a bay that was begging for 6" more either side. Lovely car though, bit moot now though.. On the plus side, I'd imagine it would weigh well over a bridge....

Stheno · 28-04-2012 12:51am

argosy2006 wrote: »

Mechanic did indeed supply all parts and orders all the stuff needed to do belt, tensioners waterpump,
And vacuum pump for brakes, unrelated but another 500 plus for that part,

Just out of curiosity how much were the timing belt parts?

argosy2006 · 28-04-2012 12:57am

Stheno wrote: »

Bidding ended so not available

Anyway could be that the mechanic who did the work made a mistake or whatever, worth getting it checked out, see the DIY forum and a Nissan Doctor thread about a failed belt for info.

I'd definitely follow up on it, first with the guys who did the work, then if necessary with a second opinion and be prepared for a long hard slog.

Car is with a ex volvo mechanic,
See car failed to turn over,This is how it all began,, Now i thought ok its starter,As there was the normal click, like a stuck starter, maybe a battery,,
SO it got new battery, No difference, Then it when to get new starter,
And auto electrican done that, He fitted new starter, It failed to solve problem, so he put back on old starter, charged a 100, for looking it over and fitted it ,then putting back on old one,,
He gave me number to a ex volvo mechanic who is a volvo expert,
He rang today, said timing belt is broke, valves bent, Hense why it can not turn over,
SO yea its a funny ,No long hard slog here, I'll just let it go,
I will tell mechanic , see what he thinks

argosy2006 · 28-04-2012 12:59am

Stheno wrote: »

Just out of curiosity how much were the timing belt parts?

Dunno off hand,
I'll find receipt and post it tomorrow,

Stheno · 28-04-2012 1:00am

argosy2006 wrote: »

Car is with a ex volvo mechanic,
See car failed to turn over,This is how it all began,, Now i thought ok its starter,As there was the normal click, like a stuck starter, maybe a battery,,
SO it got new battery, No difference, Then it when to get new starter,
And auto electrican done that, He fitted new starter, It failed to solve problem, so he put back on old starter, charged a 100, for looking it over and fitted it ,then putting back on old one,,
He gave me number to a ex volvo mechanic who is a volvo expert,
He rang today, said timing belt is broke, valves bent, Hense why it can not turn over,
SO yea its a funny ,No long hard slog here, I'll just let it go,
I will tell mechanic , see what he thinks

Compared to when you replaced it, what was the interval? With my car (it's an alfa

) its 36000 miles or 3 years, and woe betide you if you risk it

argosy2006 · 28-04-2012 1:05am

Stheno wrote: »

Compared to when you replaced it, what was the interval? With my car (it's an alfa ) its 36000 miles or 3 years, and woe betide you if you risk it

THis car has less than 2000 miles since replacemnt,
and interval on these is very high if i remember, 100,000 plus,, if i,m not wrong,

argosy2006 · 28-04-2012 1:06am

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/3152973
Identical to this one, color engine, interior,

Stheno · 28-04-2012 1:11am

argosy2006 wrote: »

THis car has less than 2000 miles since replacemnt,
and interval on these is very high if i remember, 100,000 plus,, if i,m not wrong,

I meant what was the max replacement mileage/years limit before a new belt was required and did you meet it?

Pottler · 28-04-2012 1:38am

Argosy, what's your next motor? Will you go for an older Merc or was that just a rebound affair? Volvo RIP.:)

28-04-2012 2:16am

argosy2006 wrote: »

............
See car failed to turn over,This is how it all began,, Now i thought ok its starter,As there was the normal click, like a stuck starter, maybe a battery,,
SO it got new battery, No difference, Then it when to get new starter,
And auto electrican done that, He fitted new starter, It failed to solve problem, so he put back on old starter, charged a 100, for looking it over and fitted it ,then putting back on old one,,............

Sorry to hear about the belt etc but that auto spark is a disgrace to take €100 off you, he should have been able to diagnose the starter as not being the issue.

argosy2006 · 28-04-2012 2:27am

Pottler wrote: »

Argosy, what's your next motor? Will you go for an older Merc or was that just a rebound affair? Volvo RIP.:)

yes a older Merc, 1980 300sd is what i would like,
something mint out of states, i only drive local, and they are ultra reliable anyway, would go to the moon and back, and cruise at 80 mph with ease.

argosy2006 · 28-04-2012 2:28am

RoverJames wrote: »

Sorry to hear about the belt etc but that auto spark is a disgrace to take €100 off you, he should have been able to diagnose the starter as not being the issue.

I dunno, he was 2 hours or more on it, PLus removing starter, fitting new one, the putting back on old one,
PLus plugging it into laptop, As i assumed it was a eletrical problem that it would not start,

George Dalton · 28-04-2012 8:52am

OP since you say the garage you used is well respected then surely the best thing you could do is get the car back to them. They will have warranty with the supplier of the belt if it was a component failure and insurance to cover costs if it was a mistake made on their part. Jumping to conclusions on an internet forum isn't going to get you too far.

On a separate note that auto electrician was a clown for even getting as far as changing the starter motor when the engine was locked up. If I made a basic mistake like that I wouldn't have the neck to charge the customer for my time.

OldmanMondeo · 28-04-2012 10:39am

Most decent T/B kit manufactures will give a 10k mile or 1 year warranty. Bring the car back to where the belt was replaced and they should be sorting it. Having sold and still selling T/B kits, the usual proceedure is the kit and car gets fixed and the manufacture will then test the parts to find out how it happened. Once manufacture defect is confirmed they will pay all the cost for getting car back on road. They will give a report as to what the feel went wrong should the parts failing due to non manufacture reasons.

An Ri rua · 28-04-2012 12:28pm

carbon nanotube wrote: »

any garage worth their salt should assist you.

Not true unfortunately. I personally know where a large Mercedes dealer in the Midlands point blank refused to compensate where an E200 belt snapped a few hours after they had fitted it. Mercedes Ireland also refused to cover it. An absolute shower of ****. Privately, this businessman was told that they're well aware of this known fault that caused this (of course they are, all of the trade knows) but publicly he could sling his hook. No more Mercedes for him... Or me.

An Ri rua · 28-04-2012 12:33pm

argosy2006 wrote: »

Dunno off hand,
I'll find receipt and post it tomorrow,

I bought Gates kits cheaper on eBay than my independent Cit mechanic could source. You cannot get better than a Gates. But irrelevant if a guy can't time it correctly. Bit of a slog on your hands.

dharn · 28-04-2012 1:21pm

if it ran for 2000 miles then it was probably fitted and timed correctly so it must be a manufacturing fault so the op should get some assistance

George Dalton · 28-04-2012 1:49pm

An Ri rua wrote: »

Not true unfortunately. I personally know where a large Mercedes dealer in the Midlands point blank refused to compensate where an E200 belt snapped a few hours after they had fitted it. Mercedes Ireland also refused to cover it. An absolute shower of ****. Privately, this businessman was told that they're well aware of this known fault that caused this (of course they are, all of the trade knows) but publicly he could sling his hook. No more Mercedes for him... Or me.

That's interesting. Maybe you could tell us what kind of Mercedes E200 (or Mercedes of any kind for that matter) even has a timing belt??

3ndahalfof6 · 28-04-2012 5:27pm

George Dalton wrote: »

That's interesting. Maybe you could tell us what kind of Mercedes E200 (or Mercedes of any kind for that matter) even has a timing belt??

do you think its a chain?

BROKEN TIMING BELT!!!!!!! OMG , LOL

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