I swear - you couldn't make this schite up!

Hail 2 Da Chimp · 14-09-2010 10:33am

I've only read the quotes section of the website - but it sounds to me like the whole thing is just a píss take:

reasons why i reject evolution

1: It teaches us to be satisfied with - not understanding origins.
2: It promotes the dangerous nonsense of no first cause - no supreme scientist and suggests order came from disorder.
3: It is a mataphysical speculation, a doctrine dressed up in scientific garb.
4: Anyone who teaches evolution is either ignorant or deliberately suppressing the known scientific facts.
5: It is a toxic poisonous mind virus which destroys the hearts immune system against hope and common sense.
6: It is an anaesthetic against reason.
7: It cripples sanity, promotes myths, obscures reality and elevates matter above a maker.

The Mad Hatter · 14-09-2010 10:36am

Deleted User wrote: »

Isnt Evolution supposed to be a theory ?

No, evolution is a fact. The theory of evolution by natural selection is the explanation of how it works, in the same way that the theory of music is the explanation of how music works.

The Mad Hatter · 14-09-2010 10:41am

Sanjuro wrote: »

This.

I hate the Independent.

THE TANAISTE lived up to her 'Calamity Coughlan' nickname yesterday.

Translation: Here's what we want you to think.

The gaffe-prone minister was left red-faced after she erroneously referred to the theory of evolution as having been formulated by Einstein.

And here's what we want you to think about her.

The scientific basis for evolution, which has moved from theory to accepted truth

Oh, ffs...

was first promulgated by Charles Darwin in his 1859 book 'On the Origin of Species'.

Just in case you didn't know - now your friends won't think you're as gaffe-prone as Calamity Coughlan.

veritable · 14-09-2010 10:42am

Shouldn't discourse on all possible explanations of life be encouraged without ranting and raving?

Biggins · 14-09-2010 10:43am

veritable wrote: »

Shouldn't discourse on all possible explanations of life be encouraged without ranting and raving?

Tom Cruise agrees! :pac:

Sanjuro · 14-09-2010 10:46am

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

I hate the Independent.

And here's what we want you to think about her.

Yeah, I don't like the Independent either, but it was the first result in the search for the incident. And she did say Einstein's theory of Evolution. Coming from a rag like the Independent doesn't change that she said it.

LenaClaire · 14-09-2010 10:52am

He has backed out from the launch now - http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0914/1224278831472.html

The Mad Hatter · 14-09-2010 10:52am

Sanjuro wrote: »

Yeah, I don't like the Independent either, but it was the first result in the search for the incident. And she did say Einstein's theory of Evolution. Coming from a rag like the Independent doesn't change that she said it.

True, sorry, was just bitching about the standard of "journalism." Carry on.

Sanjuro · 14-09-2010 10:54am

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

True, sorry, was just bitching about the standard of "journalism." Carry on.

Hahaha! Yeah, it's a constant source of irritation to me too!

ART6 · 14-09-2010 11:56am

Dempsey wrote: »

Only in Ireland!

He should be sacked by Fianna Fail for being an idiot of the highest order

Impossible. If people in government were sacked for stupidity we would have to have a general election tomorrow, and then again a week later as another crop got sacked, and so on and so on. Possibly that would cause the Irish political system to evolve, thus proving the theory. God, loving the weak and stupid and Fine Fail, would not like that.:D

MagicMarker · 14-09-2010 12:06pm

veritable wrote: »

Shouldn't discourse on all possible explanations of life be encouraged without ranting and raving?

So shall we start teaching that the earth is flat is school now?

ART6 · 14-09-2010 12:22pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

So shall we start teaching that the earth is flat is school now?

You mean that there are people about who don't know the earth is flat? Good God, what happened to the knowledge economy?:p

veritable · 14-09-2010 1:21pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

So shall we start teaching that the earth is flat is school now?

What's your point?

Why don't people explain why the guy is wrong instead of attacking him?

MagicMarker · 14-09-2010 1:45pm

veritable wrote: »

What's your point?

Why don't people explain why the guy is wrong instead of attacking him?

If someone wrote a book about the Earth being flat would you try and explain to him why he is wrong or would you call him an idiot?

veritable · 14-09-2010 1:56pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

If someone wrote a book about the Earth being flat would you try and explain to him why he is wrong or would you call him an idiot?

You are making an invalid comparison.

We know that the earth is not flat. We can prove it.
Not one of us can prove evolution or the existence or nonexistence of god.

MagicMarker · 14-09-2010 1:58pm

veritable wrote: »

You are making an invalid comparison.

We know that the earth is not flat. We can prove it.
Not one of us can prove evolution or the existence or nonexistence of god.

Evolution is as much of a fact as the Earth being a sphere.

veritable · 14-09-2010 2:01pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Evolution is as much of a fact as the Earth being a sphere.

It's not a fact. I'm sorry but it's not a fact. I believe evolution is the best explanation available for our existence but it's not proven.

--Kaiser-- · 14-09-2010 2:01pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

If someone wrote a book about the Earth being flat would you try and explain to him why he is wrong or would you call him an idiot?

+1
You only have to listen to 30 seconds of the video on the below page to see how much of a moron this guy really is

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/09/how_about_the_irish_minister_o.php

keano_afc · 14-09-2010 2:01pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Evolution is as much of a fact as the Earth being a sphere.

So I presume you'll be presenting your indisputable proof to him and claiming that €10,000?

MagicMarker · 14-09-2010 2:05pm

veritable wrote: »

It's not a fact. I'm sorry but it's not a fact. I believe evolution is the best explanation available for our existence but it's not proven.

You can't prove that the sun will rise in the morning, does that mean it's not a fact?

Evolution has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt, evolution is a fact.

c_man · 14-09-2010 2:07pm

veritable wrote: »

It's not a fact. I'm sorry but it's not a fact. I believe evolution is the best explanation available for our existence but it's not proven.

You do realise that nothing in science is proven? It's all about modelling.

In layman's terms, it's a fact.

veritable · 14-09-2010 2:09pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

You can't prove that the sun will rise in the morning, does that mean it's not a fact?

Evolution has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt, evolution is a fact.

You're still comparing apples and oranges. You're wrong saying that evolution is a fact and I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

aligator_am · 14-09-2010 2:11pm

Biggins wrote: »

Credit due to Oceanclub who drew our attention to the following in the politics section.

Minister of State for Science - to launch anti-science book!

See: http://www.atheist.ie/2010/09/science-minister-lenihan-to-launch-book-calling-evolution-a-hoax/

If that ain't a HUGE big "Fcuk-you" to every science teacher and scientist in Ireland - whom he's supposed to be representing - I don't know what is!

Pure crazy, given the office he currently holds.

Once I saw the name John J May it all made sense, I'll explain:

I previously did some work on building a website for Mr May, during that time he showed me an unaired pilot of a show he was hosting and financing (he was / is pretty wealthy), the main guest on this unaired pilot was none other than Connor Lenihan. I can't for the life of me remember the name of the show, think it was called something like "the controversy show".

The website in question was also (to the best of my knowledge) a side project of a fairly hefty conglomerate headed by Jim Mansfield iirc.

Also, I seem to remember that he tried launching an Irish equivalent of Playboy a few years back called Sin or something, which apparently had to be scrapped due to legal issues involving the photos being used.

Ah well, more power to him if he can get some poor dopes to buy his book

veritable · 14-09-2010 2:12pm

c_man wrote: »

You do realise that nothing in science is proven? It's all about modelling.

In layman's terms, it's a fact.

Collect the e10,000 prize then and prove it to us. Clearly depending on your definition of proof, that is.

14-09-2010 2:12pm

veritable wrote: »

You're wrong saying that evolution is a fact and I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

Good, we'd hate for someone to go around repeating lies.
It is a fact, regardless of whether you like it or not.

And if you don't think so, well, good luck asking the doctor for medication only for unevolved strains

c_man · 14-09-2010 2:13pm

veritable wrote: »

Collect the e10,000 prize then and prove it to us. Clearly depending on your definition of proof, that is.

Maybe just answer my post first.

You do realise that nothing in science is proven?

Hail 2 Da Chimp · 14-09-2010 2:13pm

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

+1
You only have to listen to 30 seconds of the video on the below page to see how much of a moron this guy really is

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/09/how_about_the_irish_minister_o.php

Note the Ribbiting at 20 seconds! Someone evolved from a frog instead of a chimp!

MagicMarker · 14-09-2010 2:15pm

veritable wrote: »

You're still comparing apples and oranges. You're wrong saying that evolution is a fact and I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

Is the sun rising tomorrow a fact? If so, would you mind proving it to me?
Is the Earth rotating around the Sun a fact? If so, would you mind proving it to me?

The evidence for these tells us they are facts, the evidence for evolution is just as strong.

So, either you're a hypocrite, or you don't think that the earth rotating around the sun or the sun rising tomorrow is a fact. So which is it?

Biggins · 14-09-2010 2:17pm

veritable wrote: »

...I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

In all seriousness and said with respect, you'd be doing yourself an honest favour if you didn't.

AnonoBoy · 14-09-2010 2:19pm

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but this guy is going to be on Moncrieff's show on Newstalk today just after the 3.30 news.

Gang of Gin · 14-09-2010 2:20pm

EnterNow wrote: »

What an absoloute laughing stock of a country, is the whole thing one big hidden camera show?? If Jeremy Beadle wasn't dead I'd be half expecting him to pop out and laugh at us all.

Ah well, at least he won't have to pay tax on his book earnings (assuming some clowns actually buy it).

Fianna Fail - regress your intelligence 50 years, vote now!

http://timesbusiness.typepad.com/money_weblog/2009/04/the-10-highest-paid-politicians-in-the-world.html

Ha ha. Where do you think he'd pop out?

gollem_1975 · 14-09-2010 2:23pm

aligator_am wrote: »

Ah well, more power to him if he can get some poor dopes to buy his book

and ironically all the offended posters and twitterers will have given the author much more publicity then he would otherwise have got.

I note that of the most popular stories on Irishtimes.com at the moment

number 1 : Conor Lenihan will NOT be launching the "anti-evolution" book
number 3 : is that Conor Lenihan will be launching the "anti-evolution" book

veritable · 14-09-2010 2:37pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Is the sun rising tomorrow a fact? If so, would you mind proving it to me?
Is the Earth rotating around the Sun a fact? If so, would you mind proving it to me?

The evidence for these tells us they are facts, the evidence for evolution is just as strong.

So, either you're a hypocrite, or you don't think that the earth rotating around the sun or the sun rising tomorrow is a fact. So which is it?

Christ! I believe in evolution you zealot!;)
My point is that evolution is a theory and not a law.
Here is the comparison you should be making:
eg. The theory of evolution vs the law of gravity

MagicMarker · 14-09-2010 2:44pm

veritable wrote: »

Christ! I believe in evolution you zealot!;)
My point is that evolution is a theory and not a law.
Here is the comparison you should be making:
eg. The theory of evolution vs the law of gravity

Erm, scientific theory trumps scientific law. And gravity isn't proven either.

http://www.evolution.mbdojo.com/theory.html

A scientific law is a description of an observed phenomenon. Kepler's Laws of Planetary Motion are a good example. Those laws describe the motions of planets. But they do not explain why they are that way. If all scientists ever did was to formulate scientific laws, then the universe would be very well-described, but still unexplained and very mysterious.

A theory is a scientific explanation of an observed phenomenon. Unlike laws, theories actually explain why things are the way they are. Theories are what science is for. If, then, a theory is a scientific explanation of a natural phenomena, ask yourself this: "What part of that definition excludes a theory from being a fact?" The answer is nothing! There is no reason a theory cannot be an actual fact as well. [/b]

veritable · 14-09-2010 2:46pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Erm, scientific theory trumps scientific law. And gravity isn't proven either.

http://www.evolution.mbdojo.com/theory.html

ok ok i concede...I'm too hungover to argue any further....good luck:)

MagicMarker · 14-09-2010 2:47pm

I WIN I WIN!!!!

Biggins · 14-09-2010 2:55pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

I WIN I WIN!!!!

Have a cookie.
http://www.myspaceantics.com/images/myspace-graphics/funny-pictures/cookie-monster.jpg

MagicMarker · 14-09-2010 2:56pm

Biggins wrote: »

Have a cookie.
http://www.myspaceantics.com/images/myspace-graphics/funny-pictures/cookie-monster.jpg

I find that strangely erotic.

Biggins · 14-09-2010 2:56pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

I find that strangely erotic.

Stay where you are, the men in white suits are on the way. :pac:

gizmo · 14-09-2010 3:07pm

veritable wrote: »

Not one of us can prove evolution or the existence or nonexistence of god.

Not one of us can prove the existence of non-existence of the flying spagetti monster either, that doesn't give us licence to make **** up though.

mohawk · 14-09-2010 3:12pm

snyper wrote: »

If evolution is a hoax, its a fairly elabourate one.

People that believe the earth is 3000 years old and that we were created as man are Braindead.

Evolution is only a theory, but its one of the most bullet proof theories there are.

The most upsetting thing about young earth creationists is they believe there was no dinosaurs :eek:. I believe in you T-Rex

Phill Ewinn · 14-09-2010 3:14pm

Bill Hicks revelations show...........

Hrududu · 14-09-2010 3:18pm

I thought they believed that dinosaurs and men existed at the same time. Or am I mixing up my crazies?

Selected · 14-09-2010 3:26pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Evolution is as much of a fact as the Earth being a sphere.

Earth is a geoid.

Turtwig · 14-09-2010 3:53pm

mohawk wrote: »

The most upsetting thing about young earth creationists is they believe there was no dinosaurs :eek:. I believe in you T-Rex

What are you talking about? YECs believe that God had domesticated dinosaurs for our needs. We could ride them, keep them as pets etc. (Apparently, before the fall they were all herbivores too.)

14-09-2010 4:21pm

veritable wrote: »

Christ! I believe in evolution you zealot!;)
My point is that evolution is a theory and not a law.
Here is the comparison you should be making:
eg. The theory of evolution vs the law of gravity

Gravity is a theory too T_T

I think you just have a mixup in terms

(thankfully)

Catari Jaguar · 14-09-2010 4:28pm

I don't believe in evolution. I don't believe in creationism either. Doesn't mean the right answer isn't somewhere in between.

MagicMarker · 14-09-2010 4:32pm

cherub rock wrote: »

I don't believe in evolution. I don't believe in creationism either. Doesn't mean the right answer isn't somewhere in between.

Well, we either evolved, or were were created as is. There isn't really an inbetween.

Turtwig · 14-09-2010 4:32pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Well, we either evolved, or were were created as is. There isn't really an inbetween.

Morphed?:pac:

14-09-2010 4:32pm

cherub rock wrote: »

I don't believe in evolution. I don't believe in creationism either. Doesn't mean the right answer isn't somewhere in between.

I don't believe in gravity

I'm flying jack I'm flying!!

I swear - you couldn't make this schite up!

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