Skirt Steak???

c.p.w.g.w · 05-08-2020 8:00pm #1

So i'm looking for beef skirt steak...wet into 2 butchers...nether knew what i was looking for...Both were trying to tell me, Skirt is pork only...

Beef Skirt is used in Mexican cuisine and in Cornish pasties...

Is Beef Skirt called something else here in Ireland?

Dizzyblonde · 05-08-2020 9:18pm

Beef skirt used to be very common in butchers' shops years ago, not so much now. A decent butcher should know about it - nowadays it's more often called hanger steak.

https://foodandwine.ie/guides/back-to-basics-with-hanger-steak#:~:text=Also%20called%20skirt%20steak%20in,hang'%20from%20the%20cow's%20diaphragm.

ongarite · 05-08-2020 9:31pm

I got hanger steak recently in James Whelan butchers in Dunnes Stores.

the beer revolu · 06-08-2020 10:55am

I'm pretty sure it's not hanger steak OP is after.

I reckon it's flank steak you're after.

I'll check with my butcher and come back to you.

c.p.w.g.w · 06-08-2020 11:16am

the beer revolu wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it's not hanger steak OP is after.

I reckon it's flank steak you're after.

I'll check with my butcher and come back to you.

Flank steak is a different from skirt as far as i remember

odyssey06 · 06-08-2020 11:54am

Curious as to where this part of the cow ends up if there's no specific cut for it?

the beer revolu · 06-08-2020 11:57am

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Flank steak is a different from skirt as far as i remember

It seems you are right, wiki describes flank as being similar to skirt, with similar cooking properties.
OP, it might be easier to find flank than skirt.

the beer revolu · 06-08-2020 12:04pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Curious as to where this part of the cow ends up if there's no specific cut for it?

Mince

the beer revolu · 06-08-2020 12:10pm

Dizzyblonde wrote: »

Beef skirt used to be very common in butchers' shops years ago, not so much now. A decent butcher should know about it - nowadays it's more often called hanger steak.

https://foodandwine.ie/guides/back-to-basics-with-hanger-steak#:~:text=Also%20called%20skirt%20steak%20in,hang'%20from%20the%20cow's%20diaphragm.

It seems that, in Ireland, the hanger steak is often called skirt steak, alright.

Hanger steak is a prime, tender cut, though which can be cooked quickly like a fillet steak.
I think the op is after the other kind of skirt which is similar to and adjacent to the flank. We still haven't figured out what it is correctly called in Ireland, though.

foodaholic · 06-08-2020 12:51pm

Is onglet hanger steak ?
Its all so confusing

oleras · 06-08-2020 1:04pm

Isn't it the Diaphragm? Ask the butcher for that maybe ? watch a breakdown video and you see it get removed when trimming the ribs, on both beef and pork.

Butchers can be odd !

Sebastian Dangerfield · 06-08-2020 1:15pm

My butcher says skirt steak is onglet - with bavette being similar but closer to flank.

c.p.w.g.w · 06-08-2020 1:16pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

It seems you are right, wiki describes flank as being similar to skirt, with similar cooking properties.
OP, it might be easier to find flank than skirt.

I'm trying to cook Cornish pasties for a family member who is stuck in Ireland due to CoVid19(Well only stuck because they have no interest in returning to England during CoVid19 with the way Bojo is handling it)

Beef Skirt is whats supposed to be used, have managed to get their local brewery to sent over a few bottles of their favourite ale, think think fresh cornish pasties will last in the post:D:D:D:D

the beer revolu · 06-08-2020 1:19pm

foodaholic wrote: »

Is onglet hanger steak ?
Its all so confusing

It's insanely confusing.
I've been researching this but I'm not really any the wiser.

Onglet is, indeed the hanger steak, also known as the butcher's steak.
This is where it gets muddy.
In Ireland (and Britain, I think) the hanger steak is often referred to as skirt steak.

On the other hand, wiki says this about skirt steak.

Skirt steak is a cut of beef steak from the plate. It is long, flat, and prized for its flavor rather than tenderness. It is not to be confused with flank steak, a generally similar adjacent cut nearer the animal's rear quarter.

It goes on to say this

Skirt steak is the cut of choice for making fajitas, arrachera, Chinese stir-fry,[citation needed] churrasco, and in Cornish pasties.

To minimize toughness and add flavor, skirt steaks are often marinated before grilling, pan-seared very quickly or cooked very slowly, typically braised. They are typically sliced against the grain before serving to maximize tenderness.

That , to me doesn't sound at all like a hanger steak which is tender and can be cooked quickly .

I'm not sure we're any the wiser :rolleyes:

Sebastian Dangerfield · 06-08-2020 1:19pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

I'm trying to cook Cornish pasties for a family member who is stuck in Ireland due to CoVid19(Well only stuck because they have no interest in returning to England during CoVid19 with the way Bojo is handling it)

Beef Skirt is whats supposed to be used, have managed to get their local brewery to sent over a few bottles of their favourite ale, think think fresh cornish pasties will last in the post:D:D:D:D

Sounds like something like chuck would be better. I was told to cook skirt quickly on a high heat, or it would get too tough. Wouldnt a pastie need something more stew-ey?

c.p.w.g.w · 06-08-2020 1:20pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

It's insanely confusing.
I've been researching this but I'm not really any the wiser.

Onglet is, indeed the hanger steak, also known as the butcher's steak.
This is where it gets muddy.
In Ireland (and Britain, I think) the hanger steak is often referred to as skirt steak.

On the other hand, wiki says this about skirt steak.

It goes on to say this

That , to me doesn't sound at all like a hanger steak which is tender and can be cooked quickly .

I'm not sure we're any the wiser :rolleyes:

Skirt needs marinating to be cooked quickly i think

c.p.w.g.w · 06-08-2020 1:21pm

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Sounds like something like chuck would be better. I was told to cook skirt quickly on a high heat, or it would get too tough. Wouldnt a pastie need something more stew-ey?

I would agree, but traditionally skirt is what was used in Pasties...

Lu Tze · 06-08-2020 1:26pm

Used to butcher as a teen, a lot of the steaks names are unrecognizable to me these days! Will have to look up videos to see where they are coming from. I think flat iron steak is coming from the centre of the housekeepers cut roast, but for the others I'm not sure

Tipperary animal lover · 06-08-2020 7:30pm

Seen it for the first time in tesco today

Dizzyblonde · 06-08-2020 9:44pm

Hanger steak looks identical to what was sold as skirt years ago. It cooks quickly and has a good flavour which would make it perfect for Cornish pasties in my opinion. You couldn't use any stewing cuts because they'd never cook in the pastry in such a short time, and the dearer cuts like rib eye or sirloin would be a waste.

Timistry · 06-08-2020 10:47pm

Had a Bavette steak sandwich today for lunch. T'was delish!

Johnny_Fontane · 07-08-2020 10:00am

Onglet (Hangar)is hugely popular in France and its a delicious steak. Most of it comes from here!

Its one that needs to be cooked quickly. If I get the full steak, I generally carefully slice (like opening up a pork steak) it in two.

Real deep flavour from it as it is very close to the kidneys (I think).

the beer revolu · 07-08-2020 11:13am

Dizzyblonde wrote: »

Hanger steak looks identical to what was sold as skirt years ago. It cooks quickly and has a good flavour which would make it perfect for Cornish pasties in my opinion. You couldn't use any stewing cuts because they'd never cook in the pastry in such a short time, and the dearer cuts like rib eye or sirloin would be a waste.

That all makes perfect sense and hanger steak is often called skirt in Ireland and England.

Thing is, the skirt recommended for fajitas and stir fry is a tougher cut that requires marinating and slicing across the grain and is said to be adjacent to the flank cut. I really don't think they are the same thing but at this stage, I'm not sure of anything related to this matter!

Muahahaha · 07-08-2020 12:50pm

foodaholic wrote: »

Is onglet hanger steak ?
Its all so confusing

I wish there were some sort of chart that details all the duplication of names for various cuts. Not sure where all the confusion comes from, maybe it is American butchery terms creeping into our vernacular.

jasonhn · 07-08-2020 1:41pm

maybe this is what you are looking for?

https://www.mtwomeybutchers.ie/product/skirt-steaks/

Speedsie · 07-08-2020 4:51pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

I wish there were some sort of chart that details all the duplication of names for various cuts. Not sure where all the confusion comes from, maybe it is American butchery terms creeping into our vernacular.

In cases like this, I tend to look up my grandmother's Mrs Beeton (aka the Bible), wondering if it's what she calls 'thin flank', which is between Flank and Brisket.
Her recipe for Cornish Pasty just calls for a pound of beef.
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the beer revolu · 07-08-2020 7:00pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

I wish there were some sort of chart that details all the duplication of names for various cuts. Not sure where all the confusion comes from, maybe it is American butchery terms creeping into our vernacular.

American, British, Irish terms different international cuts becoming popular, the meaning of terms changing (eg, striplon/sirloin), it has all become extremely confusing.

Dizzyblonde · 08-08-2020 12:35pm

I think you'd have to ask a retired butcher in his 70s or even 80s about skirt steak, it's so long since it was common in shops.

oleras · 08-08-2020 12:45pm

I remember eating, well, being served up, hated and still do kidneys, "Skirts and kidneys"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skirts_and_kidneys

Muahahaha · 08-08-2020 3:39pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

American, British, Irish terms different international cuts becoming popular, the meaning of terms changing (eg, striplon/sirloin), it has all become extremely confusing.

yeah very true, theres so many terms and overlap of same. I got a 1kg slab of a Brazilian cut known as picanha steak a couple of weeks back. They serve picanha steak in Asador steakhouse and its a delicious cut which IMO rivals rib eye steaks. Its basically a rump steak but the Brazilians leave the fat cap still attached to the rump which gives it great flavour. Troys Butchers on Parnell St do it as they have a lot of Brazilian customers. They would know what you want if asking for picanha steak but if you asked in other butchers Id say you would be getting a blank stare.

tropics001 · 08-08-2020 5:06pm

jasonhn wrote: »

maybe this is what you are looking for?

https://www.mtwomeybutchers.ie/product/skirt-steaks/

i lived in the US and bought a lot of skirt steak for mexican cooking. that looks very similar to what i got, alright. just found a link: https://www.mercato.com/item/skirt-steak/6391?featuredStoreId=18

hanger / onglet is definitely a different cut. and my US butcher had hanger and both flank and skirt steak. flank was cheaper.

Markcheese · 08-08-2020 7:05pm

oleras wrote: »

I remember eating, well, being served up, hated and still do kidneys, "Skirts and kidneys"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skirts_and_kidneys

Never had it...
But that's pork ,not beef ...ðŸ˜,
I had ongelet for dinner during the week , and was eyeing up that beef taco reciepe ,where it's marinated with corriander garlic and lime ...
Don't know wether that beef would work in a pastie

Rows Grower · 08-08-2020 7:20pm

oleras wrote: »

I remember eating, well, being served up, hated and still do kidneys, "Skirts and kidneys"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skirts_and_kidneys

There was ateing and drinking in them.

My Nan and Grandad used to live on the shagging things, must have been something special in them as they had 21 children.

oleras · 08-08-2020 11:09pm

Markcheese wrote: »

Never had it...
But that's pork ,not beef ...ðŸ˜,
I had ongelet for dinner during the week , and was eyeing up that beef taco reciepe ,where it's marinated with corriander garlic and lime ...
Don't know wether that beef would work in a pastie

You do know both animals share similar biology ?

Markcheese · 09-08-2020 9:06am

oleras wrote: »

You do know both animals share similar biology ?

Vaguely aware of the shared biology... But since most of the discussion is about wether this piece of beef called beef skirt in Ireland is the same as that piece of beef called beef skirt in other parts , it doesn't mean much , the size difference counts too, what's a small piece of meat and not a separate cut in pork , could well be a distinct piece in a beef animal

Markcheese · 09-08-2020 9:15am

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2013/mar/06/how-make-perfect-cornish-pasties

I'm sorry to say this link doesn't advance the debate any either ... They just say skirt ...

Lady Haywire · 09-08-2020 12:10pm

The French seem to be better at specific cuts & descriptions so skirt is 'Hampe' in this pic. The hanger/onglet is what's above it, & as a whole they'd be flank to an Irish butcher. Both cuts are from the diaphragm, but one higher than the other. Or so I gather

Must see if I can get the butcher to do me up some, seems an interesting cut.

philidub · 13-08-2020 9:46am

https://youtu.be/WrOzwoMKzH4

This is interesting but might not help fully as US terms

Skirt Steak???

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