Weekends Boxing 31/7 (Cheeseman - Eggington, Arthur - Spelman, Rungvisai etc)

Morrison J · 31-07-2020 8:00pm #1

First weekend in a long time that there's a slate to be half excited for.

BT card tonight might have the main event that's most competitive. Don't think Arthur deals with pressure too well so definitely think Spelman is a live underdog. Just think Arthur more than likely catches Spelman coming in at some point. Caoimhin Agyarko on the undercard too.

Rungvisai back fighting on Matchroom YouTube channel Saturday morning too against Amnat Ruenroeng. Ruenroeng well past his best so would expect Rungvisai to find a KO there.

Saturday night first matchroom fight camp show. Some decent competitive fights on it. Like Gill to beat Bellotti but do think Gill is a tad fragile and Bellotti while limited, can bang so no foregone conclusion. Think Cheeseman should beat Eggington handy enough. Levels between them and would expect Cheeseman to box more like he did against Fitzgerald. James Tennyson easily the most entertaining Irish boxer around today imo fighting Gavin Gwynne. Like Tennyson to stop him in the second half of the fight. Tennyson looking really good since his move to lightweight.

Morrison J · 31-07-2020 11:03pm

Good performance by Arthur there. Spelman gave it a great to but Arthur had all the answers.

Arthur v Yarde next now apparently. Would fancy Yarde but definitely a good fight.

Big Ears · 01-08-2020 4:52pm

It's an excellent card tonight.
None of them are really 50/50, but the main 3 have the potential to be competitive, which is a lot better than we normally get from British domestic cards.

Even the Wardley vs Vallily fight (which I don't expect to be competitive at all), Vallily is at least deserving of being in an English title fight, even if he is likely to get blown away by Wardley.

Gill should have too much for Bellotti, but as mentioned Bellotti can crack, so there is some danger.
Cheeseman should have too much for Eggington, who seemed completely washed up/finished despite his young age, until pulling off that excellent win over in Italy last year. However that does show at the very least Egginton can still punch, and Cheeseman isn't the hardest to find, so there is some threat.

Lastly I think the Tennsyon fight will be a cracker.
James is always in exciting fights, and he's in a tough one here with a guy who will be happy to get involved in a tear up with him. Gwynne punches harder than his record and digs the body well (which is a weakness of Tennyson's), so I expect this one will go one way, then the next until Tennsyon's power sees him through.....again.

walshb · 01-08-2020 7:53pm

Card starts 9.30 on Sky?

Is this right? Tennyson fight on what time?

My mistake. On now.

Morrison J · 01-08-2020 7:59pm

walshb wrote: »

Card starts 9.30 on Sky?

Is this right? Tennyson fight on what time?

My mistake. On now.

Started at 7.

Decent win for Gill but about what you'd expect. Still think once he moves up a level or two we'll see him struggle again mind.

walshb · 01-08-2020 8:09pm

Nice owl gaff Eddie has!!! Birra space in the back garden n all.

megadodge · 01-08-2020 8:39pm

That Dalton Smith looks quite tasty. I'll be keeping an eye out for him.
Nice all-rounder.

walshb · 01-08-2020 8:44pm

Dalton has the right moves and is technically and fundamentally solid..

The shot looked like it caught Bennett side head/ear..

Morrison J · 01-08-2020 9:12pm

Hopefully Tennyson makes a big statement here. Looked good since his move up to lightweight. Hopefully lost some of that fragility.

murphyebass · 01-08-2020 9:43pm

Morrison J wrote: »

Hopefully Tennyson makes a big statement here. Looked good since his move up to lightweight. Hopefully lost some of that fragility.

I have the tko/ko on for him and cheeseman

walshb · 01-08-2020 9:43pm

Great fight. Both landing consistently.

Tennyson too in love with his power..loading up a bit too much.

murphyebass · 01-08-2020 9:47pm

murphyebass wrote: »

I have the tko/ko on for him and cheeseman

One for one.

Come on Cheeeman. Make it happen

megadodge · 01-08-2020 9:49pm

Well done Tennyson.

He's always a fighter you have to watch. Perfect description of 'All-action'.

Big Ears · 01-08-2020 9:52pm

walshb wrote: »

Tennyson too in love with his power..loading up a bit too much.

He has a tendency to do that, but when he hits as hard as he does it's difficult not to be of that mindset.
His power really is what differentiates him from the other guys fighting at this level.

Morrison J · 01-08-2020 9:53pm

murphyebass wrote: »

I have the tko/ko on for him and cheeseman

Gone Cheeseman points myself but a late stoppage wouldn't surprise me.

Great win for Tennyson. His power has translated to lightweight really well.

Morrison J · 01-08-2020 9:55pm

Tennyson - Linares would actually be interesting given how fragile Linares is these days.

murphyebass · 01-08-2020 9:57pm

Morrison J wrote: »

Gone Cheeseman points myself but a late stoppage wouldn't surprise me.

Great win for Tennyson. His power has translated to lightweight really well.

Was 5/1 for the double. Couldn’t ignore it. You could be right one points for Cheeseman though. Hopefully not!

megadodge · 01-08-2020 10:00pm

Maybe I'm deluded, but I give Eggington quite a decent chance here.

I really think it's 50/50 and it's almost certainly going to be all-action.

megadodge · 01-08-2020 10:01pm

I always like listening to Johnny Nelson talking about the Wincobank gym made famous by the great Brendan Ingle.

walshb · 01-08-2020 10:01pm

Morrison J wrote: »

Tennyson - Linares would actually be interesting given how fragile Linares is these days.

Linares is fragile...

But unless Tennyson scores KO, I see Linares going through him easily.. too sharp, and hits hard enough to hurt Tennyson.

Linares up at 140 though.

Edit. Still making 135

Morrison J · 01-08-2020 10:08pm

walshb wrote: »

Linares is fragile...

But unless Tennyson scores KO, I see Linares going through him easily.. too sharp, and hits hard enough to hurt Tennyson.

Linares up at 140 though.

Edit. Still making 135

Linares probably too sharp for him alright but if Tennyson survived the early rounds I could see him having a chance of grinding him down. Think Linares is looking at going back down to 135 for a payday. Was talk of Ryan Garcia or Devin Haney fighting him.

Morrison J · 01-08-2020 10:35pm

Eggington getting the fight he wanted but Cheeseman still has too much for him in a firefight.

megadodge · 01-08-2020 11:09pm

Very good, enjoyable fight.

Could go either way.

Morrison J · 01-08-2020 11:14pm

116-112 Cheeseman imo but plenty of close rounds. Surprised by how Cheeseman fought tbh but fair play to Eggington.

Johner · 01-08-2020 11:15pm

Enjoyable fight tbf but can’t see Cheeseman going any further than this level in boxing, has such an awful defense.

Big Ears · 01-08-2020 11:19pm

There was two rounds Eggington was winning, where he stood in the pocket too long, got hurt and most probably those rounds went to Cheeseman.

If that was the case, it ended up being the deciding factor on the scorecard. Eggington could have used his jab a bit more earlier, he caused Cheeseman big problems with it.
I really can't see Cheeseman going past British level, and if he continues to eat shots like that you'd wonder how long his career will be.

Eggington might get a rematch, but his own career likely doesn't have much left in it either. He won't surpass his earlier achievements, and unless he can continue getting fights that give decent paydays I'd assume he'll call it quits.

megadodge · 01-08-2020 11:19pm

I really feel that's a fight whose ranking will suffer due to the lack of a crowd. Imagine the noise and excitement if there were a few thousand watching.

There wasn't massive shifts in drama, but just good honest-to-God action.

megadodge · 01-08-2020 11:21pm

Big Ears wrote: »

There was two rounds Eggington was winning, where he stood in the pocket too long, got hurt and most probably those rounds went to Cheeseman.

If that was the case, it ended up being the deciding factor on the scorecard. Eggington could have used his jab a bit more earlier, he caused Cheeseman big problems with it.
I really can't see Cheeseman going past British level, and if he continues to eat shots like that you'd wonder how long his career will be.

Eggington might get a rematch, but his own career likely doesn't have much left in it either. He won't surpass his earlier achievements, and unless he can continue getting fights that give decent paydays I'd assume he'll call it quits.

I'd be surprised if Eggington quit. He just seems to enjoy fighting so much. He could be around for a long time yet..... possibly getting a few beatings before deciding to retire.

walshb · 01-08-2020 11:34pm

Johner wrote: »

Enjoyable fight tbf but can’t see Cheeseman going any further than this level in boxing, has such an awful defense.

Spot on.

Both are very basic. Domestic level really.

walshb · 02-08-2020 2:28pm

Anyone know how Tennyson identifies?

Born in Belfast I believe. Is he like Conlan, and identifies as Irish, or Frampton, as British?

Btw, I don’t care either way. I was just wondering. All just boxers to me.

normanoffside · 02-08-2020 3:00pm

walshb wrote: »

Anyone know how Tennyson identifies?

Born in Belfast I believe. Is he like Conlan, and identifies as Irish, or Frampton, as British?

Btw, I don’t care either way. I was just wondering. All just boxers to me.

Well, he went to a catholic school in West Belfast, so I assume he considers himself Irish. He doesn't seem to outwardly support either side though.

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/boxing/james-tennyson-vs-tevin-farmer-15305916

walshb · 02-08-2020 3:11pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Well, he went to a catholic school in West Belfast, so I assume he considers himself Irish. He doesn't seem to outwardly support either side though.

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/boxing/james-tennyson-vs-tevin-farmer-15305916

Yes. Heard he was Catholic alright. Just wondered..

Surname quite anglicised. One would probably think he was of English/British stock..but not always the case..

megadodge · 02-08-2020 5:24pm

walshb wrote: »

Anyone know how Tennyson identifies?

Born in Belfast I believe. Is he like Conlan, and identifies as Irish, or Frampton, as British?

Btw, I don’t care either way. I was just wondering. All just boxers to me.

Funny, but I don't ever remember Carl Frampton identifying himself as British.
Or identifying himself as anything other than a boxer.

You obviously have a link just waiting for someone to bite???

walshb · 02-08-2020 6:27pm

megadodge wrote: »

Funny, but I don't ever remember Carl Frampton identifying himself as British.
Or identifying himself as anything other than a boxer.

You obviously have a link just waiting for someone to bite???

Bite what?

Just an observation..

Frampton I think does identify as British...albeit with great connection and admiration for Ireland.

MC as Irish. I was simply wondering about Tennyson..

megadodge · 02-08-2020 7:54pm

Nope, Frampton has been very smart about not getting involved in that nonsense, so I'm pretty certain he has never "identified" himself as anything other than a boxer.

normanoffside · 02-08-2020 8:16pm

walshb wrote: »

Bite what?

Just an observation..

Frampton I think does identify as British...albeit with great connection and admiration for Ireland.

MC as Irish. I was simply wondering about Tennyson..

I've never seen Frampton Identify himself as British.
Yes he supports Rangers and Northern Ireland but also has been seen wearing GAA Jerseys and has married a Catholic Girl.

Smart Guy, he has kept away from that nonsense.

walshb · 02-08-2020 8:28pm

normanoffside wrote: »

I've never seen Frampton Identify himself as British.
Yes he supports Rangers and Northern Ireland but also has been seen wearing GAA Jerseys and has married a Catholic Girl.

Smart Guy, he has kept away from that nonsense.

It’s not nonsense, though.

I am not saying he is jumping up and down letting people know his nationality..

He is Norhern Ireland, and to him, Northern Ireland is British.

But doesn’t every person identify a nationality/allegiance? Surely he is something? If you asked him are you Irish or British...

I identify as Irish...

English people identify as English, and so on.

Carl is British. And that is absolutely fine. I don’t see any nonsense here, and I am not bringing it up in the whole Ireland- Britain context...

Anyway, I wanted to know about Tennyson, and I think I found out that he is an Irish Catholic..

I suppose it’s a consideration when considering nationality of boxers. I personally support Carl in his fights, but I don’t consider him an Irish fighter, like I’d consider say, Jono or Eric Donovan, or Conlan...those three are Irish, and would identify as such. Carl be more British-Irish!

megadodge · 02-08-2020 9:11pm

You really are bored at the moment, aren't you?

walshb · 02-08-2020 9:17pm

megadodge wrote: »

You really are bored at the moment, aren't you?

Poxy lockdown withdrawl!

normanoffside · 02-08-2020 11:11pm

walshb wrote: »

It’s not nonsense, though.

I am not saying he is jumping up and down letting people know his nationality..

He is Norhern Ireland, and to him, Northern Ireland is British.

But doesn’t every person identify a nationality/allegiance? Surely he is something? If you asked him are you Irish or British...

I identify as Irish...

English people identify as English, and so on.

Carl is British. And that is absolutely fine. I don’t see any nonsense here, and I am not bringing it up in the whole Ireland- Britain context...

Anyway, I wanted to know about Tennyson, and I think I found out that he is an Irish Catholic..

I suppose it’s a consideration when considering nationality of boxers. I personally support Carl in his fights, but I don’t consider him an Irish fighter, like I’d consider say, Jono or Eric Donovan, or Conlan...those three are Irish, and would identify as such. Carl be more British-Irish!

I'd Imagine He'd tell you he is Northern Irish.

If pushed, both British and Irish.

walshb · 02-08-2020 11:23pm

normanoffside wrote: »

I'd Imagine He'd tell you he is Northern Irish.

If pushed, both British and Irish.

Yes. British-Irish sounds about right to me..I recall him referencing being Northern Ireland..

I don’t see the discussion needing to be tense or awkward....Not saying you think it is or should be...

Just people and nationality. We all identify with some country-region..

I remember John Duddy, the boxer from the North strictly identifying as Irish, as is the right of people born up North to be able to do. He had issues with Boxrec and its description for him as British...

They can identify as Irish, British or both...

Conlan I am sure would fully identify as Irish...I doubt he, like republicans/nationalists recognizes Northern Ireland as a country..

It’s just a discussion, I guess...

SHOVELLER · 04-08-2020 12:25am

Carl identifies himself as Irish when he talks about being Ireland's first 3 weight World Champion! But as said he doesnt get tied with that. Smart guy.

Anyone who was at the Santa Cruz glorious win will tell you there were people from all over the island there to support him. Plus everybody was welcome to drink with the Champ next day!!

walshb · 04-08-2020 11:54am

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Carl identifies himself as Irish when he talks about being Ireland's first 3 weight World Champion! But as said he doesnt get tied with that. Smart guy.

Anyone who was at the Santa Cruz glorious win will tell you there were people from all over the island there to support him. Plus everybody was welcome to drink with the Champ next day!!

Sounds right..

I have said before, that he is a credit to both "sides" in the North.

I just personally consider him more British than Irish...And I think he feels British, but of course, has a lot of ties and affection for his Irishness, and association with Ireland.

Morrison J · 04-08-2020 2:03pm

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Carl identifies himself as Irish when he talks about being Ireland's first 3 weight World Champion! But as said he doesnt get tied with that. Smart guy.

He'd also happily be included in any conversation for best British boxers over the past few years.

There's no real black and white to this. He identifies as British, Irish and Northern Irish.

I've always found it to be a great shame how little coverage he gets in the republic. Virtual unknown to the casual sports fan despite being one of the most successful sports people to come from the island.

walshb · 04-08-2020 4:04pm

Morrison J wrote: »

He'd also happily be included in any conversation for best British boxers over the past few years.

There's no real black and white to this. He identifies as British, Irish and Northern Irish.

I've always found it to be a great shame how little coverage he gets in the republic. Virtual unknown to the casual sports fan despite being one of the most successful sports people to come from the island.

Yes, can agree here.

And it's nice to be able to discuss these issues/queries etc without any saltiness, hostility, defensiveness that usually is thrown into the mix....

It's just people, nationalities, ties, culture etc....it encompasses all of us.

Weekends Boxing 31/7 (Cheeseman - Eggington, Arthur - Spelman, Rungvisai etc)

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