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replace wall switch with smart switch

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  • #52
    emaherx
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    Clarabel wrote: »

    What I assume will work
    Replace middle landing 3 gang with smart switch.
    (Once the 2/3 way switches are left on and never touched this should leave the circuit closed and not impact the smart switch)
    Add battery powered motion detectors.

    That sounds right, but the possibility of someone turning off the other switches is high. Installing one of the in wall switches inside the ceiling rose if possible would remove the issue. shelly are the smallest I've come across so best suited


    Clarabel wrote: »
    Questions:
    I already have hue in the house. Will I be able to use one of the tuuya or sonoff switches with a hue motion sensor
    beleive
    Which brand should I be considering?

    The sonoff looks like it was both switch and motion but doesn't indicate if I can use those together to get what I need.

    I also assume if I my hue bridge won't allow connection to any of the suggested switches in this thread?

    Sonoff or Tuya or Shelly will not work directly with hue as they are WiFi devices, but the likes of Home Assistant can tie them all together. Personally I'd avoid the Tuya ones unless you are happy with them needing an active internet connection to work or fancy a bit more of a challenge circumventing that.

    Hue I believe uses Zigbee so finding Zigbee compliant switches would work best with your current setup. I don't have any experience of Hue or Zigbee so don't have much more to offer there.


  • #53
    BoardsMember
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    Hi - we've got Hue all over the place. Has anyone got any good links for "tradional looking/classical style" single, double, triple gang switches that can be used to "turn on" hue bulbs? i.e the actual wiring would be wired to be always on. Something like the attached pic. Ideally if they also supported dimmer, but not a requirement if the "on" was linked to a scene that had it fully on/bright.

    We're doing a refurb job, including re-wire, so have the ability to put in whatever back box, neutral wire as needed.


  • #54
    iba
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    BoardsMember wrote: »
    Hi - we've got Hue all over the place. Has anyone got any good links for "tradional looking/classical style" single, double, triple gang switches that can be used to "turn on" hue bulbs? i.e the actual wiring would be wired to be always on. Something like the attached pic. Ideally if they also supported dimmer, but not a requirement if the "on" was linked to a scene that had it fully on/bright.

    We're doing a refurb job, including re-wire, so have the ability to put in whatever back box, neutral wire as needed.

    There is no pic attached. You could look up Aqara, Tuya, Shelly or Sonoff switches. Some require neutral wire and some dont.


  • #55
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    iba wrote: »
    There is no pic attached. You could look up Aqara, Tuya, Shelly or Sonoff switches. Some require neutral wire and some dont.

    Sorry (worst) pic (ever) attached....thanks for the tips. Is the back box separate from these switches?


  • #56
    iba
    Registered Users Posts: 2,629 ✭✭✭iba


    BoardsMember wrote: »
    Sorry (worst) pic (ever) attached....thanks for the tips. Is the back box separate from these switches?

    I have not seen any that look like that.

    When I replaced mine, I just used the back box that was already in the wall. They dont come with back boxes afaik.


    https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20210215062901&SearchText=smart+switches


  • #57
    BoardsMember
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    iba wrote: »
    I have not seen any that look like that.

    When I replaced mine, I just used the back box that was already in the wall. They dont come with back boxes afaik.


    https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20210215062901&SearchText=smart+switches

    What I am gathering is that it is not possible to make a traditional switch into a smart switch. It needs to be a smart switch to start with. If this is the case there is going to be a row at home. If I get my way now, its a once off row - we'll put in smart switches now, despite them not looking retro/brass. If I don't get my way, we'll put in regular brass fittings, and there will be a row every time someone turns off the switch.


  • #58
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,203 ✭✭✭emaherx


    BoardsMember wrote: »
    What I am gathering is that it is not possible to make a traditional switch into a smart switch. It needs to be a smart switch to start with. If this is the case there is going to be a row at home. If I get my way now, its a once off row - we'll put in smart switches now, despite them not looking retro/brass. If I don't get my way, we'll put in regular brass fittings, and there will be a row every time someone turns off the switch.

    Of course it's possible.
    You want an in wall switch, it will fit behind whatever existing switch you have.

    Just Google Zigbee in wall switch.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/iolloi-LED-Dimmer-Switch-trailing-compatible-guarantee/dp/B08FLD1SK4/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?adgrpid=118856544847&dchild=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA1KiBBhCcARIsAPWqoSqNO3WhC24Z8mDKF7b5LKvVXJyMKJJw1FOFeqGLkZsb5Iv8V99dPx8aAuIUEALw_wcB&hvadid=486410616926&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=20487&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=b&hvrand=13018778752285097161&hvtargid=kwd-325310094474&hydadcr=8706_1760654&keywords=hue+zigbee+switch&qid=1613411344&sr=8-3&tag=hydrukspg-21


  • #59
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    Please bear with me on this, trying to get my head around what I need to buy and how it will work.....below is an outline of a typical scenario that I have working welll now for controlling my hue bulbs in hall (multiple bulbs in the room), landing (multiple bulbs in the room) and porch (single bulb in the room) from a single point, I'm struggling to be certain how it works well when I take out the hue dimmer switch:

    Current approach:
    - Hue smart/dimmer switch in the hall and in the landing
    - Programmed based on 1/2/3/4/5 click to turn on 1 or more of the rooms, and dim same
    - Works well

    Post re-wiring, we will still have the same hue bulb set-up, but herself doesn't want a modern/plastic dimmer switch. She wants a traditional type brass plated switch.

    I can get an in-wall switch, but I'm not sure how this interacts with the wall switch in front. Can they be set up to work with a 3 gang switch? In which case it seems simple. Each switch controls one of the 3 rooms, on/off. If not, what would my options be?


  • #60
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,203 ✭✭✭emaherx


    BoardsMember wrote: »
    Please bear with me on this, trying to get my head around what I need to buy and how it will work.....below is an outline of a typical scenario that I have working welll now for controlling my hue bulbs in hall (multiple bulbs in the room), landing (multiple bulbs in the room) and porch (single bulb in the room) from a single point, I'm struggling to be certain how it works well when I take out the hue dimmer switch:

    Current approach:
    - Hue smart/dimmer switch in the hall and in the landing
    - Programmed based on 1/2/3/4/5 click to turn on 1 or more of the rooms, and dim same
    - Works well

    Post re-wiring, we will still have the same hue bulb set-up, but herself doesn't want a modern/plastic dimmer switch. She wants a traditional type brass plated switch.

    I can get an in-wall switch, but I'm not sure how this interacts with the wall switch in front. Can they be set up to work with a 3 gang switch? In which case it seems simple. Each switch controls one of the 3 rooms, on/off. If not, what would my options be?

    Yes the in wall switch is wired to replace the switch. The 3 gang switch is wired to an input of the in wall switch, so you can use any old dumb switch and make it work as a smart switch and still a manual switch.

    Obviously this new switch will turn on and off the light circuit making some of the functionality of your hue bulbs redundant.


    And for a 3 gang switch you need a 3 gang in wall switch if you want to make all of the gangs smart.


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  • #61
    dam099
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    emaherx wrote: »
    Yes the in wall switch is wired to replace the switch. The 3 gang switch is wired to an input of the in wall switch, so you can use any old dumb switch and make it work as a smart switch and still a manual switch.

    Obviously this new switch will turn on and off the light circuit making some of the functionality of your hue bulbs redundant.


    And for a 3 gang switch you need a 3 gang in wall switch if you want to make all of the gangs smart.

    Hue look to be launching their own version, not sure when (or if) it will be available here.

    https://hueblog.com/2021/01/14/the-most-important-answers-about-the-new-philips-hue-wall-switch-module/


  • #62
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    emaherx wrote: »
    Yes the in wall switch is wired to replace the switch. The 3 gang switch is wired to an input of the in wall switch, so you can use any old dumb switch and make it work as a smart switch and still a manual switch.

    Obviously this new switch will turn on and off the light circuit making some of the functionality of your hue bulbs redundant.


    And for a 3 gang switch you need a 3 gang in wall switch if you want to make all of the gangs smart.

    Thanks for the reply. I think I'll have to work on herself, something like a sonoff tx 3 gang smart switch looks good and seems a way more sensible approach than all that messing.


  • #63
    emaherx
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    BoardsMember wrote: »
    Thanks for the reply. I think I'll have to work on herself, something like a sonoff tx 3 gang smart switch looks good and seems a way more sensible approach than all that messing.

    Not sure what you mean by messing, there is really not much difference in installing an in wall switch or the Sonoff.

    There will be more messing getting Sonoff and hue to work together as they are not part of the same eco system so you'll need to join them with some third party app or service.


  • #64
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    emaherx wrote: »
    Not sure what you mean by messing, there is really not much difference in installing an in wall switch or the Sonoff.

    There will be more messing getting Sonoff and hue to work together as they are not part of the same eco system so you'll need to join them with some third party app or service.

    Having a 3 gang in wall switch and a 3 gang switch just feels like a lot....particularly when I could just get the lights wired always on, and use the hue dimmer switches I already have. If they looked a bit smarter.


  • #65
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,203 ✭✭✭emaherx


    BoardsMember wrote: »
    Having a 3 gang in wall switch and a 3 gang switch just feels like a lot....particularly when I could just get the lights wired always on, and use the hue dimmer switches I already have. If they looked a bit smarter.

    Its really not, it's just a small unit installed behind the existing switch. The advantage of this setup is you get to choose your switch style but get the same functionality.


  • #66
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    emaherx wrote: »
    Its really not, it's just a small unit installed behind the existing switch. The advantage of this setup is you get to choose your switch style but get the same functionality.

    Ok, thanks. So I need to Google zigbee in-wall smart switch, and find a 3 gang one.


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  • #67
    randombar
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    Hi All,

    Sorry to thread bump/jump here.

    I've only a few remaining non hue lights in the house, the little candle type ones, (I tried the tradfri but they "dont look as nice"), so I'd like to find a "power controller" to control standard bulbs that could fit behind or replace my current in wall light switch (Do have a neutral)

    Ideally it would work with the hue app.

    I see there are a few options out there and i'm just wondering what people would recommend?

    https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B07LD9TBQZ?ie=UTF8&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=6738&tag=iconn-21&creativeASIN=B07LD9TBQZ&SubscriptionId=%PUB_KEY%
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08FLD1SK4?ie=UTF8&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=6738&tag=iconn08-21&creativeASIN=B08FLD1SK4&SubscriptionId=


    Thanks,
    Gary


  • #68
    Euphoriasean
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    Hey anyone installed the shelly dimmer 2 no nueutral and could advise of the wiring. Just gonna try on a one gang one way switch first.

    There is only 2 wires going to the switch, live going to common and output to L1. I now how to change a light switch but that's about it so the supplied diagrams don't help me a lot. Thanks


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