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Machine Control Course in Co Louth Jul & Aug

  • 19-07-2020 8:04pm
    #1
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    Just a heads-up that i2iMCA.com are coming back to Ireland at the end of July and again on 28 August. The July dates look full, but the August ones still show spaces. If you are not familiar with this course, have a look at my write-up with some photos from the last year: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058000555

    It is done on the Whiteriver kart course, which means plenty of intense cornering practice at speeds closer to “normal” road use. I have done it a couple of times and it has transformed my riding. Tom and Colm, who run it, they know how to teach. I will be there as a hanger-on :) helping out, learning more, getting good use of the track, but for the avoidance of any doubt, I have no financial interest in this whatsoever. Just wanted to make any boardies hungry for quality bike training aware of the opportunity.


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  • #2
    Wonda-Boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭Wonda-Boy


    Did it last year and it was well worth the money. Trying to scrap together the funds for the MC2 this year.


  • #3
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    Thanks, @Wonda-Boy. If you have the time next Wed 29th, MC2 is actually the only date that has spaces next week. Otherwise Aug 26th looks good and might be better weather, fingers crossed.


  • #4
    dmigsy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭dmigsy


    Booked a place for the MC1 on 25 August


  • #5
    extra-ordinary_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    They don't do anything at the weekends?


  • #6
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    Looking forward to seeing you there, @dmigsy.

    I have only seen weekend dates at the UK locations (York and Exeter) but not in Ireland... The calendar is here: https://www.i2imca.com/Home/BookOnline


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  • #7
    FarmerBob
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭FarmerBob


    Wonda-Boy wrote: »
    Did it last year and it was well worth the money. Trying to scrap together the funds for the MC2 this year.

    How did you find MC1?
    What kind of things did you cover?
    Much practice versus theory?

    Debating booking for next month.


  • #8
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    This is what @Wonda-Boy wrote on the other thread after last year's MC1:
    Wonda-Boy wrote: »
    Have to say this course was an eye opener tbh. I was expecting to pick up maybe one or two bits as this was the basic course in the 3 offered but hand on heart it was just amazing. I learned so much theory that the practical hands on just seemed to sink in a lot quicker and gave me a hell of a lot more confidence. From learning a much more advanced braking technique to knowing about grip and how it works with a bike it's incredible. Withing 2hrs I had the bike leaning over more then I ever did and feeling safer the more angle I had.

    Nice to meet you too Rafal, top lad and cracking gixxer you have m8

    Gonna book mc2 and mc3 next year.

    As for the balance of theory vs practice, I'd say about 80% is us on our own bikes and 20% is watching Tom and Colm demo technique (which can be entertaining, too) and listening to them explain the theory of what they just did. Most of the practice is in 2 groups using different sections of the track, some of it is with everyone on track while Tom and Colm follow and weave observing and giving feedback.


  • #9
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    Couple of photos from last year, hope it gives you an idea of what the Whiteriver track is like.

    521051.jpeg

    521050.jpeg


  • #10
    veetwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭veetwin


    dmigsy wrote: »
    Booked a place for the MC1 on 25 August

    So did I. Bit nervous as my Tracer 900 GT will be barely run in. Doing want to be abusing my first brand new bike!


  • #11
    dmigsy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭dmigsy


    veetwin wrote: »
    So did I. Bit nervous as my Tracer 900 GT will be barely run in. Doing want to be abusing my first brand new bike!

    Cool. See you there. I'm in the same boat, I've only put about 2500km on my brand new SV650. The way I'm looking at is that, in the long run, the more training I have the less likely I am to make ****e of the bike / myself.


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  • #12
    Wonda-Boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭Wonda-Boy


    veetwin wrote: »
    So did I. Bit nervous as my Tracer 900 GT will be barely run in. Doing want to be abusing my first brand new bike!

    I did my MC1 last year on a 2mth old KTM1290 Super Adv....It was just out of the box.....I was a little nervous but you will be fine m8


  • #13
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    The week went quickly. It was a lot of fun and everyone made a *lot* of progress. Makes me (nicely) jealous how quickly some people learn, esp when given the kind of feedback that Tom Killeen is able to offer. Here is a few pictures I took. Can't wait till 25th August!

    Good variety of bikes:
    521767.jpeg

    Tom & Colm explaining how grip develops during cornering:
    521768.jpeg

    Tom explains the kneedown position during MC3:
    521769.jpeg

    And at MC2:
    521770.jpeg


  • #14
    dmigsy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭dmigsy


    I did the MC1 course on Tuesday. A pity the weather was absolutely sh!te. It p!ssed down all day. We finished up a bit early beacasue the weather was gettting worse.

    Nevertheless, the course was brilliant. Format :

    1) Led around the track multiple time for a few slow laps to get used to the course.
    2) Demo & instruction body position, bike stability then practicing slow laps of the course and letting go of the bars on straights.
    3) Demo & instruction on steering (soft hands) then practicing laps going around the track with only right hand on the bars.
    4) Demo & insturction on braking technique (building grip) followed by practicing this.
    5) Some slow speed demonstration and practice.

    Typing this up, it doesn't sound like much but it's made a huge difference to my riding - I'm more relaxed, more confident and have better bike control. I'll 100% be doing the next couple of levels when they are back over again. It was good craic as well.


  • #15
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    Thanks, @dmigsy for the very accurate summary, and for braving the weather, good sport! I’d say the horrid rain made the braking drills *much* more valuable than in the dry. Glad you found MC1 useful. i2i courses transformed my riding a few years ago, and had direct, positive impact not only on my road riding, but also gave me confidence and smoothness I previously lacked for Mondello.

    MC2 on Thu was better weather, and we stayed a bit longer than usual, almost till 6pm. MC3 on Thu was wet wet wet but almost everyone got their knee down, before we had to call it the day around 2pm when not only knee sliders started sliding. MC3 on Fri was excellent, actually a tad longer than usual. The core body stability drills were hard but people got the knack of riding the bike slow-speed fully hands-off through a cone slalom, even though the early attempts, mine included, were “hillarious”. :)

    I will make sure you get extra care next time round :) as I am fully intending to be helping out, again, next year—fingers crossed. I’ll ping here when we know the dates etc as i2i always seems to sell out early enough. I also hope Tom will come back in earlier, drier months...


  • #16
    veetwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭veetwin


    Thanks Rafal and everyone who helped out on MC1 Tuesday. Weather was absolutely poxy. A fair bit of hanging around at the start followed by several slow laps had me thinking this was going to be a borefest.

    Could not have been more wrong. I am a reasonably experienced motorcyclist and learnt a huge amount in a short day thanks to the awful weather. Tom is an excellent communicator and instructor you really do get value for your money. Highlight for me was when he observed that he could tell I was an advanced rider....:o

    My riding has measurably improved already. Will definitely be back to do MC2, 3 and 4 when he returns again


  • #17
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    veetwin wrote: »
    I am a reasonably experienced motorcyclist and learnt a huge amount in a short day thanks to the awful weather. Tom is an excellent communicator and instructor you really do get value for your money. Highlight for me was when he observed that he could tell I was an advanced rider....:o

    My riding has measurably improved already. Will definitely be back to do MC2, 3 and 4 when he returns again

    Thanks @veetwin. I have been riding for 22 years prior to meeting Tom at i2i in Yorkshire 3 years ago. I have learnt more and I have improved way more in that short space of time than in the 2 decades before it—that is why I am so keen to keep assisting him as each time I improve, but the main jump was MC1-3.

    I am glad you are seeing the effect on your riding. You will have a great time at MC2 next year. Hope we meet again, and I hope the weather is better. :)


  • #18
    dmigsy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭dmigsy


    I just booked MC2 & MC3 for August after doing MC1 last year. The July dates booked out quickly and they've just added the August dates.


  • #19
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    dmigsy wrote: »
    I just booked MC2 & MC3 for August after doing MC1 last year. The July dates booked out quickly and they've just added the August dates.

    Well done. I am planning to be there helping out, like in the last two years. Something to look forward to—you just made my day! :)


  • #20
    robbie_63
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭robbie_63


    Can anyone give me a bit of info on the MC1 day?

    Is it more benefit for track day riders?


  • #21
    Waillee123
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭Waillee123


    Signed up for the first course. Looking forward to it, hopefully we're a bit back to normal by then and weather plays ball! :) :cool:


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  • #22
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    robbie_63 wrote: »
    Can anyone give me a bit of info on the MC1 day?

    Is it more benefit for track day riders?

    If you can, go for MC1+MC2, as they complement each other. It is good to do them both in a short space of time.

    You will find MC1 useful both on the road and on track. It focuses on your core (body) stability and your connection with the machine. You will be able to control it with a very light touch/grip, even single-handed if you wanted to—not because one-handed riding is a goal in itself, which it is not, but because it will teach you what exactly happens to the bike when you apply various inputs at different stages and situations. There is also a bit about slow riding, esp. while turning, which greatly benefits from that light-touch skill.

    The other part of MC1 is about braking strongly and effectively in a surprisingly short distance.

    Overall, it will make your cornering easy and smooth, and your braking highly effective. MC2 will also teach you how to safely brake while cornering. It also teaches more advanced body positions, not as extreme as what you would do on track, but essential on the road, and definitely a major step towards gaining track skills.

    When I did all of those (MC1-3) a few years ago (and MC4 only last year) I did it them to improve my road riding. I felt like I have at last understood what was going on, despite riding since 1995. It made my riding easier, better, and far more enjoyable than ever before. However, it also helped me overcome my initial fear and anxiety of riding on track. I have been enjoying Mondello ever since, and if you are even thinking about it you should definitely consider MC1, 2 and 3. Otherwise focus on MC1 & MC2.


  • #23
    robbie_63
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭robbie_63


    Thanks Rafal, not overly bothered about track riding yet as I only have a bike 6 months so still getting used to it all!

    Do you know if they do these courses anywhere else in the country or is Louth the only option?

    Bit of a spin on the bike from the southeast!


  • #24
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    As far as Ireland goes, Louth is the only location, but there are a few more places in UK. I originall did it in York, which was a bit different due to different layout. The airfield in York is better for slow riding skills but it is not as good as the track in Louth for cornering. I usually commute from Co Wicklow which means an early start but a nice ride, unless the weather is awful. Consider staying locally for 1 night if you do both if you are still a learner, or do MC2 the month later.

    By the way, there is usually someone (once I saw two) still with their L-tabards attending MC1 and MC2. The feedback from them is along the lines of "this should be part of standard, compulsory training". Depending on where you are with your riding you might find MC1 a bit harder than others who have been on the bike for longer. However, by midday of MC2 things will suddenly become clear and it should feel like the bike is starting to ride itself. I wish I had access to these years ago, when I was learning, I am still hooked on it, which is why I help out whenever i2i come over here!


  • #25
    Acquiescence
    Registered Users Posts: 287 ✭✭Acquiescence


    I signed up for MC1. I suppose I should be less of a tight arse and spring for the second one as well.


  • #26
    Brayson Billions Llama
    Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭ Brayson Billions Llama


    I would like to do this but it's quite pricey.

    Can anyone recommend what modules you should do? I.e if you are an experienced enough rider should you skip mc1 and just do 2 and 3 ..

    Anyone have any info on that

    All they have left is mc3, is there any point in doing that if you haven't done the first 2..


  • #27
    Acquiescence
    Registered Users Posts: 287 ✭✭Acquiescence


    Halle Noisy Warship wrote: »

    All they have left is mc3, is there any point in doing that if you haven't done the first 2..

    Loads of spots in August for all three.


  • #28
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    Acquiescence wrote: »
    I signed up for MC1. I suppose I should be less of a tight arse and spring for the second one as well.

    Go for it, I am sure you will enjoy it. In any case, they will sell out just like the July ones did, and then you will have to wait another year. :)


  • #29
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    Halle Noisy Warship wrote: »
    I would like to do this but it's quite pricey.

    Can anyone recommend what modules you should do? I.e if you are an experienced enough rider should you skip mc1 and just do 2 and 3 ..

    Don’t skip MC1. I have seen people try to do MC2 without MC1 and it is often disappointing. I think MC1 is a necessary prerequisite to MC2 anyway, esp. in Ireland because of our more demanding track layout, which you learn during MC1.

    I have been riding for 20 years before I did my MC1 and to be honest I felt like a novice realising just how much I learned in a day.

    MC3 is different: you can do it on its own if you want to. I have seen people attempt it without MC1+2 and some do manage but more than half come back for MC1 and MC2 and redo MC3 again, with much more success.

    There are still spaces on the August dates, which Tom has only opened up recently. I am sure they will all sell out, as they usually do, so grab while you can.


  • #30
    Del2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,032 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Just booked the MC1, is it worthwhile doing MC2 the next day or should I wait?


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  • #31
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    Del2005 wrote: »
    Just booked the MC1, is it worthwhile doing MC2 the next day or should I wait?

    I would do both MC1 and MC2 back-to-back unless you are very much a novice to biking. If you are a beginner then it can be a little hard doing them back to back because MC1 can be physically and mentally exhausting. In that case consider staying local so you don’t have a long ride from and to the next day. If you live nearby, no probs.


  • #32
    Del2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,032 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Rafal wrote: »
    I would do both MC1 and MC2 back-to-back unless you are very much a novice to biking. If you are a beginner then it can be a little hard doing them back to back because MC1 can be physically and mentally exhausting. In that case consider staying local so you don’t have a long ride from and to the next day. If you live nearby, no probs.

    Booked MC2. I'm about an hour away but may just book somewhere close anyway.


  • #33
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    Glad you did. I am biased but I am sure you will enjoy it and benefit from it. See you in August!


  • #34
    robbie_63
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭robbie_63


    What's the story with Covid for these courses and what happens if they can't go ahead due to restrictions?


  • #35
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    Please email info@i2imca.com to get a direct answer as to what happens if things did not go ahead. I am sure you would not lose your cash, but I don’t know if it would be a rebooking into future or a refund—better ask them. I will also ask to see if I get anything I can post.

    As for Covid measures, all I can say is that the courses last year run according to Irish regulations. Under those older rules, which have since changed, the event was classed as a “sports training event behind closed doors”. That meant no spectators, only pre-booked attendees. Everyone’s temperature was checked and people were asked about symptoms. After that, everyone was split into 3 groups of 10 (rules allowed up to 15), asked not to mingle, keep good distance, and use face coverings when talking. Outdoor toilets were provided specially for us by Whiteriver Karting, with several hand sanitising stations, running water too. Unlike the year before, there was no use of the building, so all briefings were outside, essentially making it an outdoor event. I should add that everyone behaved well.

    Time will show what happens this year. I wish we knew what is coming, but I quietly hope that the combination of vaccinations and the summer may permit some easing of restrictions to at least a similar level as the last year. Hopefully.


  • #36
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    By the way, if anyone is still thinking of attending, July is sold out except for MC3, and there are only 7 places left for MC1 on 17 August and 5 for MC2 on 18th. At this rate they are likely to be gone in 3 weeks or so.


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  • #37
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    robbie_63 wrote: »
    What's the story with Covid for these courses and what happens if they can't go ahead due to restrictions?

    I emailed Tom Killeen who runs all the i2iMCA courses, and this is the reply I just got:

    This link: https://www.i2imca.com/Home/Terms has all the terms for how we operate and the process for all refund and date changes. We operate a reasonable approach to customer service both ways. In addition under our conditions we also have some key points marked with * for reference. These would require human applied reasoning for each and every event which may require a refund or change of date. I think Covid fits within these terms nicely in that our position is to determine which is the best solution for both parties for each situation. Covid is not under our control but it is possible to apply a measure of reasonable action based on the ideas that some Covid based decision will be personal to the individual, some will be based on national guidelines however detailed or not so it’s best to look at our terms and conditions as an outline of how we work but also to make it clear that we will always give each situation due time and fair consideration to help anyone that needs it.


  • #38
    turbodiesel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭turbodiesel


    I just booked MC 1 & 2 there for myself and the son.

    Looking forward to it.


  • #39
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    ...and with that, it looks like it is sold out for MC1 and MC2 for both July and August. That was way sooner than I have expected. I guess I am not the only one aching for a bike challenge. :)

    Fingers crossed the summer is good and any restrictions light enough. Can't wait!


  • #40
    minttea
    Subscribers Posts: 78 ✭✭minttea


    I also booked in for MC1 and MC2 in August.. looking forward to it!


  • #41
    Brayson Billions Llama
    Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭ Brayson Billions Llama


    Booked into MC3 in August, hopefully might see some fellow posters there.


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  • #42
    Rafal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Rafal


    Halle Noisy Warship wrote: »
    Booked into MC3 in August, hopefully might see some fellow posters there.

    I am definitely planning to be around. :)


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