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Yamaha XJ750 Project - Cafe Racer type thing

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭lennymc


    I really want a cafe racer now.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    You finished already..............:D

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    Not mad on the cafe thing but I like that, is it your max?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    You finished already..............:D

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    I've a bit to go yet.:)
    The tank on that is really long, must be a bit of a stretch riding it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    H_Lime wrote: »
    Not mad on the cafe thing but I like that, is it your max?

    Nah...mine's nicer....:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    gn3dr wrote: »
    I've a bit to go yet.:)
    The tank on that is really long, must be a bit of a stretch riding it.

    It goes with the cafe racer style..I like it...Deffo needs USD forks tho...:p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    Nah...mine's nicer....:D

    Obviously!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    It's been a while since I updated this. Have only been doing a bit here and there - have been distracted looking at donedeal at more modern bikes (VFR's, Fazers, Hornets, Bandits, Ducati's etc) :rolleyes:

    So with everything starting to fit together I started to trim back the excess from the flanges and the top.

    Rolled over the section around the head tube
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    The front of the tank is now a much more curved shape when looking at it from the top compared to the original shape I started forming.

    Then started to fold over the lower flanges.

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    This is just rough for now - I will probably make this edge a bit more sharp.

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    A a quick check back on the bike.
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    Tank size really now shows up how huge the seat is.

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    Still lots of marks on the metal from the shrinking dies but these should all planish / file / sand out. I probably made more work for myself here by using the standard shrinking jaws for steel - when I had a set in a drawer from another unit with finer serrations for aluminium :banghead:- I switched about half way through.
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    I had bought a cheap screw on filler cap but decided to go with the Monza type cap in the end.
    This arrived through Parcel Motel today.

    Trying it out for size and position

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    or do I go offset?
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    I think it looks better in the centre position.

    Started making a few internal baffles then for the tank just to slow the movement of fuel.
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    Do motorbike tanks usually have baffles?:confused:They won't do any harm anyway.



    Next steps the flange for the petcock - I've taken a scan of the old one and will cut a new one on the cnc for welding onto the base.
    Then I need to finish welding the base and centre section
    Then it's trim the top and sides sections and weld together with probably a fair amount of time then to be spent on planishing / metal finsihing

    Onto the seat and rear hump then.

    I might bring it into to the July 19th Killarney Cars and Coffee on a trailer if I have enough done by then.
    I know when people filled out questionnaires at last years meets they said they'd like to see projects.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    Unbelievable work Gn3dr! :cool: never heard of a baffle in a bike tank myself but so long as petcock is low the float level in the carbs shouldn't starve. Does she run a pump? I'd say the reason we don't have one in bikes (afik) is cost!
    It's coming together lovely, how hard is it to make those tight turns by the headstock?
    Will you be leaving it in bare polished alloy or will it be painted? Almost a shame to cover it up but I understand its a lot more work. What's the capacity do you know? Filler looks great and central placement all the way if you're taking votes:)
    Are you going making anything exhaust wise?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    Like the flow over the rocker covers..very tidy.....unless you're going racing the baffles won't be noticable. ...pity you won't see them tho .lovely bit of engineering....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    H_Lime wrote: »
    Unbelievable work Gn3dr! :cool: never heard of a baffle in a bike tank myself but so long as petcock is low the float level in the carbs shouldn't starve. Does she run a pump? I'd say the reason we don't have one in bikes (afik) is cost!
    It's coming together lovely, how hard is it to make those tight turns by the headstock?
    Will you be leaving it in bare polished alloy or will it be painted? Almost a shame to cover it up but I understand its a lot more work. What's the capacity do you know? Filler looks great and central placement all the way if you're taking votes:)
    Are you going making anything exhaust wise?

    Thanks H-Lime. There is no fuel pump on this - all just gravity.
    The turns on top by the headstock were easy enough. I cut the inner structure to the shape and then just gradually tapped the top part around this edge with a rubber mallet. The folded back flange will be welded underneath so it will mostly be invisible.

    I'm hoping to leave it bare alloy but will see what it's turning out like. Haven't decided on fully polished or a matt finish.

    Not fully sure what the tank capacity is.

    I might be making some part of the exhaust. There's the remnants of 2 systems here for it. The downpipes are OK I think but the section where they go 4 into 1 and then split out into 2 again is rotten. I'm not a huge fan of doing exhausts though. I haven't got a second Argon tank and the required set up for back purging for stainless. Might give it a go though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    Like the flow over the rocker covers..very tidy.....unless you're going racing the baffles won't be noticable. ...pity you won't see them tho .lovely bit of engineering....

    Thanks. I didn't start out with a specific design for this except for like you say the line of the engine and rocker covers. My main goal was to make sure the bottom of the tank in teh front section was parallel to the rockers . The way the original tank jarred with that line is what bugged me most about the standard bike.

    I'm going to try continue a visual line in some way from the engine back to the tailpiece also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    Please stick with this...looking forward to seeing it finished..would be a shame to throw in the towel...like so many...;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    Please stick with this...looking forward to seeing it finished..would be a shame to throw in the towel...like so many...;)

    I'll stick with it alright. The main purpose of this was the metalwork practice as well as a first foray into bikes. I'll get it to some form of finished state out of stubborness if nothing else.

    I'm also looking forward to seeing if I can make I thought was a fugly bike into something that looks half decent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    gn3dr wrote: »
    I'll stick with it alright. The main purpose of this was the metalwork practice as well as a first foray into bikes. I'll get it to some form of finished state out of stubborness if nothing else.

    I'm also looking forward to seeing if I can make I thought was a fugly bike into something that looks half decent.


    It already looks half decent.........:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    So a little bit more done on this
    I took a paper trace from the old tank petcock flange, scanned this in and imported to CAD.

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    Cut it out on the mill (which is embarassingly in need of a clean - looks worse in the pictures)

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    Lined up in a similar location to the original

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    And welded in
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    Put in all back on the bike again. Took off the original large seat and just placed a CBR600 seat (more on that later) on to see what it looked like.
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    The XJ is looking nice and skinny now and makes the CBR seat look really wide.
    I think it is going to look good with a single seat and rear hump of some sort.

    I've decided that the centre mounting for the filler cap is how I am going to go. Was just trying to get an idea of how far forward also.
    I think this is where it is going to end up
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    And in relation to the mention of a CBR.
    Even though it isn't suitable as a starter bike for me, this thing followed me home last weekend.:o

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    I know I know ...I'm not finished the first project yet and the second one is already here....
    It looks better in the pictures than up close. It's been idle for about 7 months so a bit of furry aluminium here and there and rusty screws & bolts all around . Nose cone fairing is broken also at both indicator mounts.This one is running though after fitting a new battery. It's a 1999 CBR 600 F4

    I'm having thoughts about making the full fairing out of aluminium in a retro style .

    Something like this
    https://www.bikeexif.com/honda-cbr600f but with the fairing a bit more complete rather than stopping half way down.
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    or this
    https://www.returnofthecaferacers.com/yamaha-motorcycle-cafe-racer/retro-yamaha-r6/
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    It would be a bit of a challenge and I might have trouble converting from vision to reality but if it worked out it would be quite cool I think.

    I'll wait and see how far I get with the XJ750 and then decide. The CBR may just get restored. Maybe I should really have just bought a Bandit / Hornet / SV650 and focused on getting a licence ...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Blanchy90


    Good work! the project is coming along nicely.

    I wouldn't fancy learning on the CBR, I started on a SV650 and it was ideal, it had enough power but it felt very controlled. I've a CBR 600 F3 now and I've done a few unexpected power wheelies haha


  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Blanchy90


    Oh an an aluminium faring for the CBR would be amazing :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    Blanchy90 wrote: »
    Good work! the project is coming along nicely.

    I wouldn't fancy learning on the CBR, I started on a SV650 and it was ideal, it had enough power but it felt very controlled. I've a CBR 600 F3 now and I've done a few unexpected power wheelies haha

    It's not an option anyway. Checked last week and no-one will quote on it except AXA and only then if I have their assessment done to level 2 which is more or less expert level I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    Like the bottom old skool fairing..top one looks like some chislers in Malasia made it from cardboard and painted it silver..cant see why he left the frame exposed..looks wrong...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    Well max I suppose it's a hat tip to some jap tuning houses sans lowers to showcase their hand bent ti zorsts. Kinda became its own thing then.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    Gn3dr, I did a sex wee when I saw that CNC piece welded in. Yer Deffo on my kidnap list.
    Probably best not to combine sex wee and kidnap in one post.. :eek:

    Major fukache re insurance, that cbr is a brill machine and very forgiving too. Would've been grand for ya. Is there anyone else prepared to quote you with something approaching reasonable money?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    H_Lime wrote: »
    Gn3dr, I did a sex wee when I saw that CNC piece welded in. Yer Deffo on my kidnap list.
    Probably best not to combine sex wee and kidnap in one post.. :eek:

    Major fukache re insurance, that cbr is a brill machine and very forgiving too. Would've been grand for ya. Is there anyone else prepared to quote you with something approaching reasonable money?
    Sex wee and kidnap...:eek:...Indeed

    None of the other three companies would quote, Liberty I think said I'd need a full licence for 5 years! I kind of expected it to be honest. The CBR wasn't a rational purchase. Cool looking thing though depending on whether you look past the 90's colours.

    I do have a trade policy for the cars and they will insure one bike for personal use but it has to be less than 10 years old which would be out of budget for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    A small bit more work done tonight

    Time to finalise the filler cap location

    Out with the Q max punches again - I love these things

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    Nice clean edges
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    Flared it a bit to get the filler fitting nice and low
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    Fitted the threaded part of the filler assembly and welded it from the inside for a nice clean look outside.

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    Screwed on the cap once everything had cooled down
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    Happy with how it looks

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    gn3dr wrote: »
    A small bit more work done tonight

    Time to finalise the filler cap location

    Out with the Q max punches again - I love these things

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    Nice clean edges
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    Flared it a bit to get the filler fitting nice and low
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    Fitted the threaded part of the filler assembly and welded it from the inside for a nice clean look outside.

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    Screwed on the cap once everything had cooled down
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    Happy with how it looks

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    Great work again..but...:eek:.think i would have recessed the cap maybe half way into the tank for a flusher finish....feel free to tell me to fook off....:p


  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Blanchy90


    gn3dr wrote: »
    Liberty I think said I'd need a full licence for 5 years!

    They said the same to me when I had my licence 9 months and I pretty much said "ah go on" and they gave me a quote :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    Great work again..but...:eek:.think i would have recessed the cap maybe half way into the tank for a flusher finish....feel free to tell me to fook off....:p

    Fook off :p
    That would have meant a pretty significant dimple into the tank given the size of the filler cap. I know it sticks up a bit but it won't be any higher than the top of the forks. That'll be a bit of a challenge actually, visually making sure the forks and top yoke don't look stupidly high.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    Blanchy90 wrote: »
    They said the same to me when I had my licence 9 months and I pretty much said "ah go on" and they gave me a quote :pac:

    Interesting, that's good to know


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    Aernt they obliged to quote you after a number (3?) refusals? How I got mine 20yrs back on a cbr4.


  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Blanchy90


    H_Lime wrote: »
    Aernt they obliged to quote you after a number (3?) refusals? How I got mine 20yrs back on a cbr4.

    Its a whole process to do that, you need to submit a formal complaint to the ombudsman (I think) and then you get a quote but it can still be a stupidly high quote


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    Blanchy90 wrote: »
    Its a whole process to do that, you need to submit a formal complaint to the ombudsman (I think) and then you get a quote but it can still be a stupidly high quote
    Iirc I went to the citizens information office and learnt the ins and outs. After I got I think three refusals I asked to speak to a manager (think this was Norwich Union) and quoted the legislation. He relented and gave me a quote of 2450 tpo wholly expecting me to arse off, but I paid it.
    Just paid my ins a fortnight ago, 260 for five bikes.

    I know shag all about the set up today with licences but can Gn3dr not just sit the exam on a rental and if he passes ride any bike he likes? If that's the case how are the insurance brats able to impose additional constraints onto our legislative process by demanding further sh1t?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Blanchy90


    H_Lime wrote: »
    Iirc I went to the citizens information office and learnt the ins and outs. After I got I think three refusals I asked to speak to a manager (think this was Norwich Union) and quoted the legislation. He relented and gave me a quote of 2450 tpo wholly expecting me to arse off, but I paid it.
    Just paid my ins a fortnight ago, 260 for five bikes.

    I know shag all about the set up today with licences but can Gn3dr not just sit the exam on a rental and if he passes ride any bike he likes? If that's the case how are the insurance brats able to impose additional constraints onto our legislative process by demanding further sh1t?

    Just checked there once you have 3 written refusals you can bring your case to the Declined Cases Committee of Insurance Ireland and they will get you a quote. The quote wont be cheap though. The cheapest option would be to get a different bike for a year and do your test. You can rent a bike for the test if you want.

    Its all over the place with bike insurance here, I only paid slightly more as a learner to have triumph sprint 900 than I did for a sv650 and at the time nobody would cover me on anything 600 and sporty. Even with my full licence I had difficulty getting cover on the CBR 600. I had 3 months left on my policy with Principal but they said I needed my licence for a year before they would cover it so I had to change insurer.


    My last bike was a 125 chinese bike (brand new) and the quotes ranged from 500 to 3500


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    Another little bit done
    Time to cut the top to butt up with the sides. No going back after this :eek:
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    Nice tight fitment between top and sides
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    Time to start throwing down a few tacks
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    Taking it pretty slow at this stage to avoid any major mistakes or rework.

    I'm going to take it to Killarney Cars and Coffee this Sunday as a work in progress for the Project Corner of the meet.

    http://www.backroads.ie/forums/showthread.php?30114-Killarney-Cars-and-Coffee-July19th-2020

    https://www.facebook.com/pg/killarneycarsandcoffee/posts/?ref=page_internal


  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭Fox Mulder


    Wow, very impressive. I have really enjoyed seeing your progress. I cant wait to see the finished tank. Think it would look great with just a polished finish or maybe painted but with the knee relief sections left untouched.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    Fox Mulder wrote: »
    Wow, very impressive. I have really enjoyed seeing your progress. I cant wait to see the finished tank. Think it would look great with just a polished finish or maybe painted but with the knee relief sections left untouched.

    Thanks. Hopefully I will be able to get a good enough finish for.polishing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    OK Carrying on from where I left off
    I welded it all up one Friday night

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    Went over the inside with the torch
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    Then that Sunday I put it on the trailer and brought it to Cars and Coffee Killarney where we had a new Project Corner

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    Here it is sitting behind local racer Kevin Coyne's bike. He is off to the UK to complete in the British Superbike Championship

    My friend owns KC Print, where Cars and Coffee is held, and he kindly printed up two pull up banners with pictures of the build process.
    I didn't hang around the bike as I was doing other stuff during the day so I'm not sure what people thought of a part finished heap on show!

    Left it untouched then for a week but started again last weekend - grinding down the welds - horrible job
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    Which gets me to this stage
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    Still a lot of sanding and planishing to do but it's getting there and I'm happy enough so far as a first attempt at a tank.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    I know youre a perfectionist..:P...but i would have been proud to leave those welds on display...looks more "custom" to me.....:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    I know youre a perfectionist..:P...but i would have been proud to leave those welds on display...looks more "custom" to me.....:)

    I hear where you are coming from. I did consider doing that but decided against it. Maybe on the next one :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    Jeez it's been a while.
    Did feck all on this since last summer but start at it again over the last few days.

    It is still at the stage where a good bit of planishing is still required but it is slowly getting there. Here's where it currently stands. The shape of the knee indents has changed slightly I think since the last pics. A learning for me as this is the first tank I made, is that next time I would put the weld on top where it is more accessible on the English wheel when the sides are welded on.
    Planishing by hand is a pain in the hoop. I even bought a mini English wheel last year to use the wheels form it on a home-made portable type device to reach in to the tank. It kind of worked but a bit of hammering and slapping is still required.

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    More to come in the next few weeks hopefully. Once the planishing is finished I can weld the top onto the base. Still need to decide to go with a polished or brushed finish.


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