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Swimming related questions .

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  • #52
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    griffin100 wrote: »
    Were they washing their horses? Nothing like trying to swim when the water and slipway are full of horse manure.

    No. There's no slipway. they were just trying to fish and hanging about shouting stuff I couldn't understand.
    No 5k limit for those lads


  • #53
    peter kern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    griffin100 wrote: »
    Were they washing their horses? Nothing like trying to swim when the water and slipway are full of horse manure.


    So you think a triathlon start has you in cleaner water .....


  • #54
    mossym
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭mossym


    Mod Note: i'm sure it'll be seen as nannying, fair enough, criticise away, but it should be obvious certain terms aren't going to be allowed. i've edited the posts above. if you want to discuss feel free to PM me


  • #55
    BTH
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    peter kern wrote: »
    So you think a triathlon start has you in cleaner water .....

    Hands up who takes a piss while waiting for the whistle....


  • #56
    griffin100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭griffin100


    BTH wrote: »
    Hands up who takes a piss while waiting for the whistle....

    Thirteen seasons of triathlon and I’m still trying to decide if it’s acceptable to pee in your wetsuit before you get into the water


  • #57
    Kurt_Godel.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 376 ✭✭Kurt_Godel.


    Jacuzzis, steam rooms and swimming pools are “a thing of the past” in Ben Dunne’s network of gyms as a result of Covid-19

    Unfortunately I think a lot of pools will remain shut for some time- most rely on gym income to balance the books. Even if gyms do open in August, the social distancing requirements in gyms and pools will limit numbers of paying customers.


  • #58
    peter kern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    Kurt_Godel. wrote: »
    Jacuzzis, steam rooms and swimming pools are “a thing of the past” in Ben Dunne’s network of gyms as a result of Covid-19

    Unfortunately I think a lot of pools will remain shut for some time- most rely on gym income to balance the books. Even if gyms do open in August, the social distancing requirements in gyms and pools will limit numbers of paying


    Meanwhiile in germany gyms have opened in Italy open on the 25th of may...
    So while there is some truth in this article it's not that much based on current reality in europe. Like everything else precautions will have to be taken and it will not be easy but from what I have read so far from tests in Korea with solid social distancing gyms work well and yes treadmill running and Zumba classes etc need extra precautions.
    Ie some test have shown an increased spread in Korea from Zumba classes vs plates class which led to more social distancing precaution in such classes .


  • #59
    griffin100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭griffin100


    peter kern wrote: »
    Kurt_Godel. wrote: »
    Jacuzzis, steam rooms and swimming pools are “a thing of the past” in Ben Dunne’s network of gyms as a result of Covid-19

    Unfortunately I think a lot of pools will remain shut for some time- most rely on gym income to balance the books. Even if gyms do open in August, the social distancing requirements in gyms and pools will limit numbers of paying


    Meanwhiile in germany gyms have opened in Italy open on the 25th of may...
    So while there is some truth in this article it's not that much based on current reality in europe. Like everything else precautions will have to be taken and it will not be easy but from what I have read so far from tests in Korea with solid social distancing gyms work well and yes treadmill running and Zumba classes etc need extra precautions.
    Ie some test have shown an increased spread in Korea from Zumba classes vs plates class which led to more social distancing precaution in such classes .

    Speaking to researchers in the field earlier this week there is some real concern about the potential for spread when breathing is deep and fast. Choirs seem to have been a real hotbed of rapid spread. There is also still some concern about aerosolisation as a means of transmission as opposed to droplet spread. There is some research going on at the moment in institutions where there have been clusters to see if the virus can be detected when there is no droplet dispersal (i.e. after an infected person has left the room).

    If hard fast breathing is an issue then some close contact sports (rugby, boxing, etc) will struggle to get back fully just yet.

    I think gyms will be ok, hygiene and distancing will see to that. Jacuzzi's were manky to begin with anyway :)

    Pools are going to be a challenge. Operating a pool when its just a leisure set up with no lanes is doable, but lane training for squads is going to be difficult. Some guidance issued internationally to date (and the German guidance is good) talks of much lower numbers in a training session and a one way system in lanes with swimmers switching lanes at the wall with 2-3m between swimmers. That means a 6 lane pool essentially becomes a 3 lane pool. That could double the session cost per swimmer and that makes some club sessions not financially viable.


  • #60
    peter kern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    griffin100 wrote: »
    peter kern wrote: »

    Speaking to researchers in the field earlier this week there is some real concern about the potential for spread when breathing is deep and fast. Choirs seem to have been a real hotbed of rapid spread. There is also still some concern about aerosolisation as a means of transmission as opposed to droplet spread. There is some research going on at the moment in institutions where there have been clusters to see if the virus can be detected when there is no droplet dispersal (i.e. after an infected person has left the room).

    If hard fast breathing is an issue then some close contact sports (rugby, boxing, etc) will struggle to get back fully just yet.

    I think gyms will be ok, hygiene and distancing will see to that. Jacuzzi's were manky to begin with anyway :)

    Pools are going to be a challenge. Operating a pool when its just a leisure set up with no lanes is doable, but lane training for squads is going to be difficult. Some guidance issued internationally to date (and the German guidance is good) talks of much lower numbers in a training session and a one way system in lanes with swimmers switching lanes at the wall with 2-3m between swimmers. That means a 6 lane pool essentially becomes a 3 lane pool. That could double the session cost per swimmer and that makes some club sessions not financially viable.


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  • #61
    Kurt_Godel.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 376 ✭✭Kurt_Godel.


    Swim Ireland had a webinar this evening for swim club committees (couldn't view it myself, and its focus was on kids clubs) but some key points are this is uncharted territory and things will change depending on how first phases go. Social distancing within lanes is the main thing, and no changing rooms will be open. Less swimmers per lane (and less still for younger swimmers who might not understand social distancing), and clubs will need to appoint a Covid officer.

    Not a lot there that is Tri/Masters specific, but you can read between the lines and see that whatever we had before in swim training is likely to get a lot more restrictive.


  • #62
    peter kern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    peter kern wrote: »
    griffin100 wrote: »

    Could you link that study with chlorine as this in contradictory to everything I have seen so far

    As for the German pool guidlines in theory you can still have 10 people over 2 lines which is not so bad. I think so far the German rules and the American to have people resting at 2 sides and the middle makes most sense
    or make the German model and mark the pool with lines so swimmers have there own rest segment. At the end of the day it will bold down to the old phas that if you have to write a session down its too difficult
    and there is nothing wrong with 30 x100s

    Overall I think one thing we will see is more facemasks (not in pool ...) I guess overall the evidence seems to go towards that they help to reduce the spread of virus, I have tried it for running and cycling and it dosnt bother me. I mean most proper cyclists employ this technique in the winter already


  • #63
    peter kern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    Kurt_Godel. wrote: »
    Swim Ireland had a webinar this evening for swim club committees (couldn't view it myself, and its focus was on kids clubs) but some key points are this is uncharted territory and things will change depending on how first phases go. Social distancing within lanes is the main thing, and no changing rooms will be open. Less swimmers per lane (and less still for younger swimmers who might not understand social distancing), and clubs will need to appoint a Covid officer.

    Not a lot there that is Tri/Masters specific, but you can read between the lines and see that whatever we had before in swim training is likely to get a lot more restrictive.


    Thinks will change a bit and I guess the big change will be it will be very hard to integrate outliersin the sessionn that are either to slow or too fast.
    at same time sars 1 in Asia did not change live too much afterwards I think the one main change was that you saw so many Asian as with face masks in europe .
    I guess this is likely a more serious pandemic at the same it's not the first in the world and live has always returned to normal. So I would not overreact too much as even in my lifetime I have heard so often the world will never be the same.... And if it changes human s do adapt to.
    Just look at pics from the national congress in China at the moment 1000plus people in a room with 50 cm distance.
    dosnt look like a big change to me apart from everybody is wearing a mask or do we stop driving in europe because of pollution...


    The other thing is world wide pollution kills more people every year than this pandemic and we don't do too much about it as at then end it's about money makes the world go round ....
    at the end there is to many people on this planet already but the world functions on growth. I guess this is the real problem not a virus which is more a by product


  • #64
    Kurt_Godel.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 376 ✭✭Kurt_Godel.


    We'll all have super core workouts from climbing out of the pool at each wall ;)

    I guess coaches will introduce more deck work as part of their sessions, this could help rotate the amount of swimmers in the lane at a given time.


  • #65
    new2tri19
    Registered Users Posts: 530 ✭✭✭new2tri19


    I'm thinking this might be a good time to move all my swimming to the open water. I know this is not convenient for everyone but does anyone train exclusively in open water?
    To be honest training in pool never seems that specific to doing triathlons or aquathons , for me when I hop in open water it feels like a different sport.
    There are people that swim year round in the sea without a wetsuit , if I'm well kitted out neoprene hat , gloves wetsuit for very cold is there any negatives to moving all my training to sea?
    My thinking is 20 mins in sea be more beneficial to an hour in pool as it's more specific.


  • #66
    Kurt_Godel.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 376 ✭✭Kurt_Godel.


    new2tri19 wrote: »
    I'm thinking ...

    You do a lot of thinking about your swimming- love to see this, and personally I was at my fastest, and learned the most, when I was (over)thinking about my swimming. Nothing wrong with that! :D

    But sometimes we need to underthink things- at the moment we only have the option of OW (those lucky enough to be within 5km), so just go for it and embrace it. There are lots that only swim OW, lots that do both, lots that only swim indoors... there are things that suit pool swimming (getting to reset your stroke during a quick wall rest, getting defined conditions etc) and things that suit OW swimming (better experience, challenging conditions...) and a good triathlete will do both where possible.

    No point in comparing the two benefit wise- at the moment you can only do OW so go for it... most Masters groups would be winding up pool swimming now anyway and moving to the OW for the summer- if you are lucky enough to live within striking distance of the OW, there are no negatives to moving all your training there now.


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  • #67
    new2tri19
    Registered Users Posts: 530 ✭✭✭new2tri19


    Kurt_Godel. wrote: »
    You do a lot of thinking about your swimming- love to see this, and personally I was at my fastest, and learned the most, when I was (over)thinking about my swimming. Nothing wrong with that! :D

    But sometimes we need to underthink things- at the moment we only have the option of OW (those lucky enough to be within 5km), so just go for it and embrace it. There are lots that only swim OW, lots that do both, lots that only swim indoors... there are things that suit pool swimming (getting to reset your stroke during a quick wall rest, getting defined conditions etc) and things that suit OW swimming (better experience, challenging conditions...) and a good triathlete will do both where possible.

    No point in comparing the two benefit wise- at the moment you can only do OW so go for it... most Masters groups would be winding up pool swimming now anyway and moving to the OW for the summer- if you are lucky enough to live within striking distance of the OW, there are no negatives to moving all your training there now.

    Well yeah I probably over think things but I have t be realistic I swam maybe 300 thousand meters in the pool in the last year and still got to open water and it feels like a different sport. So adjustments have to be made , my Moto of training is always to make the uncomfortable comfortable , if I can't want to hold 300watts on the bike I'll keep at it till 300watts feels easy.
    I want to go to an open water race and be looking at horrendous conditions that don't phase me but see others petrified getting in. The only way I'm going to achieve this is by constantly putting myself in the open water.
    The pool is fine I was swimming 1:30-1:40 per 100 and I want to recreate that now in all conditions in open water.
    Thanks for your reply


  • #68
    TopOfTheHill
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭TopOfTheHill


    With pools still closed, and lucky enough to live close to the coast I have started swimming in the sea the last couple of weeks.

    I can hop in every time, and just swim for distance, but thinking it might be more constructive to have 1 or 2 focussed sea swims, and then 1 longer one each week.

    What do you think - Are there any specific training drills that you guys are doing in the sea - or what do you do?


  • #69
    wrstan
    Registered Users Posts: 767 ✭✭✭wrstan


    Just kick starting this thread

    I've been away from swimming for a number of years now. I was never a strong swimmer, but at one stage could plod my way to a mile in the pool. I had promised myself that I would start working on my swimming and get some one on one coaching once lock down eased and pools re-opened. Fed up of waiting I bought a decent wet suit and have started open water swimming and am really enjoying it.

    I'm looking for some guidance:
    Any good tips or resources for a novice to progress open water?
    Does anyone know of anyone who would take on some open water swim coaching, or alternative of any swim groups that I could join (covid compliant)?

    Easiest spots for me would be Killiney, Shankill, Bray, but would go as far as Seapoint or Greystones.

    Thanks


  • #70
    griffin100
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    Glenalbyn masters swim in the Killiney area - http://www.glenalbynmasters.com/glenalbynmasters/


  • #71
    dickidy
    Registered Users Posts: 159 ✭✭dickidy


    greystones have a group that swim on tuesday and thursday. usually at 7 in the evening but i think now its there is a few that go out most days


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