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hammy007 · 31-01-2021 8:13pm

New Home wrote: »

Found it, I think. Hainprechting. https://mapcarta.com/de/35564330

Thank you! I think the prechting part is right. I think the first part may be Reihn. I just found this newspaper article in German and it's a little easier to read:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kvmeqi1uolucgjs/Muggenthaler%20newspaper.png?dl=0

chooseusername · 02-02-2021 5:43pm

Any idea what the name 'Demetrius' would be known as?

spurious · 02-02-2021 5:56pm

chooseusername wrote: »

Any idea what the name 'Demetrius' would be known as?

Jeremiah, which can also appear as Darby.

montgo · 02-02-2021 6:22pm

And maybe Dermot...........

VirginiaB · 02-02-2021 7:21pm

Or Denis?

BowWow · 03-02-2021 12:28am

chooseusername wrote: »

Any idea what the name 'Demetrius' would be known as?

spurious wrote: »

Jeremiah, which can also appear as Darby.

Also Diarmuid.

danoH · 06-02-2021 1:34pm

Hi everyone - new to site but hoping for help with handwritten document - marriage record- Canada and DUBLIN interest DanoH

pinkypinky · 06-02-2021 2:49pm

Welcome - you will need a few posts before you can post a link but if you want to PM it to me, I'll add it into the thread.

We keep all the handwriting help posts in this one thread to keep everything tidy.

mindhorn · 06-02-2021 3:07pm

Last entry

Second entry

I can't make out the address for either of these entries.

BowWow · 06-02-2021 4:00pm

mindhorn wrote: »

Last entry

Found dead in a bath at South City Baths, 15 Nassau Place.
Home Addresss is 39 East Essex Street.

BowWow · 06-02-2021 4:03pm

mindhorn wrote: »

Second entry

Died in St. Vincent's Hospital.
Home address is either 37 or 57 Denmark Street.

mindhorn · 06-02-2021 4:35pm

BowWow wrote: »

Found dead in a bath at South City Baths, 15 Nassau Place.
Home Addresss is 39 East Essex Street.

Maybe I need glasses but why am I not seeing any of the above in the entry?

danoH · 06-02-2021 5:57pm

PM to me -do mean for me to upload image toyou personall Pinky - if yes how? Sorry my lack of knowledge danoH

Hermy · 06-02-2021 6:35pm

mindhorn wrote: »

Maybe I need glasses but why am I not seeing any of the above in the entry?

Same for me.

mindhorn wrote: »

Last entry

Address 60 Great Strand Street

mindhorn · 06-02-2021 8:22pm

I won't book an eye test just yet. I was too busy focusing on the address that I somehow managed to miss columns 5 and 7. I'm seeing 'widow' and 'Porter's widow'. Reading that right?

If so, that makes no sense to me as her husband lived until 1913. Let's presume I have the "right" person and my research is correct. Would it be possible to make a mistake like this on the cert?

pinkypinky · 06-02-2021 9:18pm

danoH wrote: »

PM to me -do mean for me to upload image toyou personall Pinky - if yes how? Sorry my lack of knowledge danoH

No, you can just send me the url of the image. Then reply to this thread mentioning what you need help with on the image and I'll edit your post to add in the link.

danoH · 08-02-2021 5:56pm

Everytime I tried to place what i think was URL - i was told that I couldnt post anything -links etc yet---sorry about going way back in time with DNA

pinkypinky · 08-02-2021 6:10pm

Yes, that's why I suggesting you send me a PM with the URL (the website address of the page with the image of your query) and I can post it for you.

danoH · 08-02-2021 8:35pm

PinkyP Thanks for patience.....The image I have was sent to me by Sebastian Robert -Drouin Institute Quebec -after a request for info re. my interest- he said "..first started in the BMD files in the Kardex Modifie - to find one fiche Vergeylen/Healy marriage Westmount Quebec 1917....its a jpeg d1p_115d1786.JPG but whether this info any good to you??? If no other way perhaps if I keep on posting I will eventuall be able to send the image to you ----Many thaks regardless

danoH · 08-02-2021 8:43pm

<html dir="ltr" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml

L1011 · 08-02-2021 9:28pm

Notes on second last entry on P117 here? England, 1938 is about all I'm getting - I presume it has to be a marriage.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633753#page/117/mode/1up

There's an even darker image on the now abandoned Irish Genealogy records site

https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/reels/rathmines_mf_1882-1906_ba_0237.pdf

pinkypinky · 08-02-2021 11:09pm

danoH wrote: »

<html dir="ltr" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml

This link doesn't work.
If you don't have a url, you can upload the image as an attachment to a post.

Hermy · 08-02-2021 11:45pm

L1011 wrote: »

Notes on second last entry on P117 here? England, 1938 is about all I'm getting - I presume it has to be a marriage.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633753#page/117/mode/1up

There's an even darker image on the now abandoned Irish Genealogy records site

https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/reels/rathmines_mf_1882-1906_ba_0237.pdf

The first word of the note is matrimonium or some such rendering of matrimony followed by some other Latin rendering of contracted so yeah, a reference to the person baptised being married in England.

In the English civil indexes there is an entry for an Andrew C. Ralph marrying an Ellen V. Perks in Fylde, Lancashire in 1938.

I wasn't aware the Irish Genealogy parish records had been abandoned - when did this happen?

L1011 · 08-02-2021 11:49pm

That wedding would be quite likely I'd expect - I'll look in to it.

I meant abandoned in so far as the last new set of transcriptions was many years ago; with the NAI scans having been the replacement effort.

Mick Tator · 09-02-2021 12:08am

I agree with Hermy's take on this - it is a marriage, matrimonium coniunctierunt apud Fleetwood, England (Joined in marriage near Fleetwood, England) According to a Google search 'Fleetwood is a coastal town in Lancashire, England, at the northwest corner of the Fylde, '

BowWow · 09-02-2021 5:12pm

mindhorn wrote: »

Last entry
Second entry
I can't make out the address for either of these entries.

BowWow wrote: »

Found dead in a bath at South City Baths, 15 Nassau Place. Home Addresss is 39 East Essex Street.

BowWow wrote: »

Died in St. Vincent's Hospital.
Home address is either 37 or 57 Denmark Street.

mindhorn wrote: »

Maybe I need glasses but why am I not seeing any of the above in the entry?

Hermy wrote: »

Same for me.
Address 60 Great Strand Street

Guys, apologies, my fault. I took my "Last Entry" details from the page with the "Second Entry". I will arrange stronger glasses

danoH · 09-02-2021 5:23pm

mona - Copy.JPG
Perhaps this will work

pinkypinky · 09-02-2021 5:41pm

Yes, can see that.

What do you need help with?

mindhorn · 09-02-2021 11:04pm

mindhorn wrote: »

Last entry

mindhorn wrote: »

I was too busy focusing on the address that I somehow managed to miss columns 5 and 7. I'm seeing 'widow' and 'Porter's widow'. Reading that right?

If so, that makes no sense to me as her husband lived until 1913. Let's presume I have the "right" person and my research is correct. Would it be possible to make a mistake like this on the cert?

Shameless bump!

spurious · 10-02-2021 1:41am

mindhorn wrote: »

I was too busy focusing on the address that I somehow managed to miss columns 5 and 7. I'm seeing 'widow' and 'Porter's widow'. Reading that right?

If so, that makes no sense to me as her husband lived until 1913. Let's presume I have the "right" person and my research is correct. Would it be possible to make a mistake like this on the cert?

It certainly would be unusual with her daughter as informant, who presumably would know.

There is a Laurence Whelan died in the hospice (Dublin South) in 1897.

danoH · 10-02-2021 4:43pm

At last ...its the section that follows on from- spinster over 21 years of age daughter of- ......?Healy................Dublin Ireland -that I cant make out and of course this is the bit I am interested in ....Thanksagain -regardless

Hermy · 10-02-2021 6:32pm

danoH wrote: »

At last ...its the section that follows on from- spinster over 21 years of age daughter of- ......?Healy................Dublin Ireland -that I cant make out and of course this is the bit I am interested in ....Thanksagain -regardless

Kudos for your persistence!

Here's my take on the section after spinster.

"...now resident in the City of Montreal spinster over 21 years of age daughter of Maurice Healy now resident in Dublin Ireland and his lawful wife now deceased Mona Dwyer were united by me by authority of License in the holy bonds of matrimony on January 26th 1917 in the City of Montreal in presence of subscribing witnesses..."

pinkypinky · 10-02-2021 6:37pm

Concur - think the word Hermy is missing is "were"

Hermy · 10-02-2021 6:44pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

Concur - think the word Hermy is missing is "were"

Now amended thanks.

danoH · 10-02-2021 8:01pm

Pinky Hermy thank you so much -I kept thinling that 'lawful wife ...' was an area in Dublin.... Mona Dwyer ...should help me to locate Maurice in the 1901/11 cencus ...patience pays .....Thanks a million danoH

mindhorn · 10-02-2021 8:25pm

spurious wrote: »

It certainly would be unusual with her daughter as informant, who presumably would know.

There is a Laurence Whelan died in the hospice (Dublin South) in 1897.

Thanks spurious.

I see the Laurence you referred to but I think that's someone unrelated. Also states that he was a carpenter whereas on Mary Anne's death cert it says her husband was a porter. Obviously people had many varied jobs back then but I do think it's a different person. Plus he was 45 in 1897 and she was 57 in 1898. Ages were not always accurate but I don't think there's a connection between the two people.

Don't want to drag this any further off topic but that's thrown a right spanner in the works. A lot of research has been done on the back of some of the names mentioned here. I'll have to go back over the details but afraid of confirmation bias creeping in. Maybe this needs to be moved to the off-topic chat but I don't know if someone fancies cross-checking some documents I have. I have all the details but I may like someone to take a look at what I have and confirm whether what I have looks okay or if I've made a mistake along the way.

pinkypinky · 10-02-2021 9:34pm

Please feel free to start a new thread with all the stuff.

srmf5 · 12-02-2021 11:01pm

It's not handwriting but I'm wondering if anyone might be able to make out what's on this headstone.

It looks to say:
MARY KELLY
A native of the parish of ?
County Roscommon Ireland

There's one parish that I think it might be, but even then, it doesn't look exactly right. The bottom of the headstone also has 'Erected by' but I can't see much else after that. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Mick Tator · 15-02-2021 7:13pm

srmf5 wrote: »

It's not handwriting but I'm wondering if anyone might be able to make out what's on this headstone.

It looks to say:
MARY KELLY
A native of the parish of ?
County Roscommon Ireland

There's one parish that I think it might be, but even then, it doesn't look exactly right. The bottom of the headstone also has 'Erected by' but I can't see much else after that. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

In memor’m of
MARY KELLY
A native of the Parish of ….
County Roscommon in Ireland
(???)
Sept 27th 184?
Aged 64 years

I cannot decipher the italic script but the penultimate line commences ‘Erected by …. (possibly ‘her brother’?)

srmf5 · 15-02-2021 8:03pm

Mick Tator wrote: »

In memor’m of
MARY KELLY
A native of the Parish of ….
County Roscommon in Ireland
(???)
Sept 27th 184?
Aged 64 years

I cannot decipher the italic script but the penultimate line commences ‘Erected by …. (possibly ‘her brother’?)

Thanks for the help. I think that the year is 1863 but I'm not certain. I also can't make out who it's erected by. It's the erected by and parish that I'm mostly interested in but primarily the parish. Looking at the image, there seems to be a better chance of making out the parish than the erected by anyway. The picture is on Findagrave of a headstone in the US. I'm interested to know if she was from the same parish as my ancestors. It's a shame that the person who took the picture didn't transcribe what was on the headstone as well since it looks like it would be easy enough to read if you were looking at it in-person.

Mick Tator · 15-02-2021 8:51pm

It is challenging. Are you in the Kelly Clan Facebook group/page? There is a large number of US Kellys there with Roscommon heritage and they might know of her/ graveyard.

srmf5 · 15-02-2021 9:03pm

Mick Tator wrote: »

It is challenging. Are you in the Kelly Clan Facebook group/page? There is a large number of US Kellys there with Roscommon heritage and they might know of her/ graveyard.

Thanks for the tip! I'll try that out.

spurious · 16-02-2021 12:30am

Do you know which graveyard/cemetery it is? It's a long shot, but there may have been volunteers transcribed it.

srmf5 · 16-02-2021 7:43pm

spurious wrote: »

Do you know which graveyard/cemetery it is? It's a long shot, but there may have been volunteers transcribed it.

Yes, it's Saint John the Evangelist Cemetery, Lambertville, Hunterdon County, New Jersey, USA.

Hermy · 17-02-2021 6:04pm

Re cause of death for the last entry on this record can anyone tell me the word I'm missing?

I have the first part - pulmonary exhaustion 2 hours - but the middle word of the second line has me stumped - chronic _______ disease.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1970/04148/4054363.pdf

srmf5 · 17-02-2021 6:36pm

Hermy wrote: »

Re cause of death for the last entry on this record can anyone tell me the word I'm missing?

I have the first part - pulmonary exhaustion 2 hours - but the middle word of the second line has me stumped - chronic _______ disease.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1970/04148/4054363.pdf

Could it be chronic tubercular disease?

I think that the first part could be pulmonary embolism.

Hermy · 17-02-2021 7:07pm

Spot on srmf5 - thanks!

Whereisgerry? · 19-02-2021 11:46pm

Any idea what the surname might be on this birth record?

Hermy · 19-02-2021 11:50pm

Whereisgerry? wrote: »

Any idea what the surname might be on this birth record?

Folliott?

New Home · 20-02-2021 5:12pm

Fallcott?

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