2019 Nfl Draft

4th is too early for a punter, but maybe not too much. It all depends how they pan out, but if I could give up a 4th rounder for 10-15 years of a Lechler/Andy Lee/Hekker, I absolutely would every time. GB took one in the fifth last year, which I think is a little more appropriate, as well as a long snapper in the 7th (which people also jumped all over, even for a 7th!) but special teams shouldn't be overlooked so much. It has been an important part of the Patriots success for the last 15+ years, and the Rams with their all pro kicker, punter, returner and special teamer (LB Cory Littleton) certainly weren't hurting too much for it!

Special teams won't win or lose games on their own, but they can give a vital edge and while the 4th is a *little* early in my opinion, if a team thinks it can give itself a significant edge by using up a pick from about no. 130-140 onwards on one, I don't see the issue.

mikemac2 wrote: »

Utah had both their kicker and punter drafted, quite an achievement

Hasn’t happened since 1985 according to NFL network


I want their long snapper drafted for the trifecta

Utah special teams unit was like an NFL unit, very well coached and executed really well consistently which is rare in college as they are so limited in practice time due to NCAA rules. Probably the 2nd best punter to come out in the last 5-10 years behind Michael dickson last year.

Had to lol at Haskins making Washington the favourite to win the AFC East being posted a few pages back. Would be hard for them to win a division they're not in.

And they're not winning the NFC East either, they'll be competing with the Giants for the basement and considering the Giants have Saquon Barkley and definitely got the better QB in Daniel Jones I think they have a much bettee chance at last place than anything else.

Jones' tape is far superior, and he didn't even play on a powerhouse team. Duke is known for basketball. Haskins played on a team with the top physical talent available surrounding him on a perennial contender and didnt win anything. Fundamentals and game IQ Jones is miles ahead (Duke guys tend to be smart). Ohio St QBs have an easy time in college, they are so dominant in the trenches that defenses can't blitz because the blocking eats up everyone and they are usually stacked up to stop the run game anyway which gives the QB lots of comfort, he can hand off and gash the defense with runs until they cheat up and and he gets guys one on one to throw to.

Ohio st also had Urban Meyer one of the best coaches. Washington has Jay Gruden, a terrible O-line, can't stop the run, best player now is Adrian Peterson on offense I don't see Haskins being an upgrade to even Colt McCoy let alone Alex Smith.

To make the Skins favorite isn't just jumping the gun it's jumping off a cliff. He probably won't even start this year, McCoy will still be starter week 1 if he's healthy.

Always Tired wrote: »

Had to lol at Haskins making Washington the favourite to win the AFC East being posted a few pages back. Would be hard for them to win a division they're not in.

And they're not winning the NFC East either, they'll be competing with the Giants for the basement and considering the Giants have Saquon Barkley and definitely got the better QB in Daniel Jones I think they have a much bettee chance at last place than anything else.

Jones' tape is far superior, and he didn't even play on a powerhouse team. Duke is known for basketball. Haskins played on a team with the top physical talent available surrounding him on a perennial contender and didnt win anything. Fundamentals and game IQ Jones is miles ahead (Duke guys tend to be smart). Ohio St QBs have an easy time in college, they are so dominant in the trenches that defenses can't blitz because the blocking eats up everyone and they are usually stacked up to stop the run game anyway which gives the QB lots of comfort, he can hand off and gash the defense with runs until they cheat up and and he gets guys one on one to throw to.

Ohio st also had Urban Meyer one of the best coaches. Washington has Jay Gruden, a terrible O-line, can't stop the run, best player now is Adrian Peterson on offense I don't see Haskins being an upgrade to even Colt McCoy let alone Alex Smith.

To make the Skins favorite isn't just jumping the gun it's jumping off a cliff. He probably won't even start this year, McCoy will still be starter week 1 if he's healthy.

Even though I'd agree that it's ludicrous to claim the Redskins are favourites, the fact that Jones probably won't start for NY either makes comparing Haskins/Jones' impact for the start of the 2019 season irrelevant.

Although Dan Snyder does love shiny new toys and sticking his beak into team activities so God knows what he'll do to try and sell a few tickets.

Archer Zealous Cod wrote: »

I mean eagles/cowboys still have to be favourites by quite some way right?

Definitely.

Obviously we have no idea who will be good and who will be bad in the NFL so there's little point speculating on players, but I wouldn't be overjoyed with the positions taken by Gutekunst over the past few days.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

The bet is that the Skins make the playoffs, that's fairly straightforward. If the bet is about whether Haskins becomes a good QB there'll likely never be a consensus because of all the variables, especially if he starts his career like Winston or Dalton. And even then, you'd need to at least give him 2 years, and I wouldn't trust anyone on this site to hold my money for 2 years.

Fwiw I think the argument is stupid. Saying that Haskins will either be a boom or bust is ridiculous, if anyone knew that for certain they wouldn't be posting on Boards. Look at how everyone reacted to the Wentz and Mahomes picks for example, iirc one fairly prominent poster here said he'd give out blowjobs on Grafton Street if Mahomes ever became a franchise QB.

Always Tired say - "I'll bet any amount you want to name that they don't win the NFC East." That is bet.

The blowjob thing is disgusting and not a bet, is it? I agree that speculating on players future is almost impossible to predict.

eagle eye wrote: »

I've set out terms.



Now go away and mind your own business.

It's a public board. You post this on the board, so people can comment. I knew you would dodge this bet, I was right all along

The Good Ole Boys wrote: »

It's a public board. You post this on the board, so people can comment. I knew you would dodge this bet, I was right all along

No he's not dodging, he just wants bookie odds which are what, 6/1?

I'd be happy to give you that but as for what was mentioned about 'letting someone else hold the money', not a chance if I'm giving you 6/1. That would mean if you wanted to bet, say 100, I would have to have 600 tied up until the end of the year.

I can think of a much better use for 600 euros, off the top of my head:
Bet 150 against Washington week 1 at Philly.
Bet 150 against Washington Week 2 vs Dallas
Bet 150 against Washington Week 3 vs Chicago
(Actually hope they start the rookie in those games, he'll be running for his life vs Cox, Lawrence and Mack.)
Ill skip week 4 but tbh they might even be underdogs at NYG that week.
Bet 150 against Washington vs NE week 5.

Yes, that is their schedule the first 5 weeks. Absolutely brutal. The top 2 teams in the division to start, and then a top quality NFC team right after those AND right before another division game. Horrible sandwich game there. And then after they run that gauntlet they play the Pats.

Tbh you'd be better off waiting til week 6, the Skins will be lucky to be anything better than 1-5 at that point and you'll probably get way bigger odds.

How about loser has to shave his head or something like that? Provided you have hair.