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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭checknraise


    Crap situation to find yourself in. Based on the information about the virus one would imagine he is not the profile of person who is not at risk.

    Will be in Russia for the next 2 weeks. Hopefully he gets looked after well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Joedryan


    sodacat11 wrote: »
    I don't know how people are even thinking about chess at the moment. I will just be happy if I and the people I love are still alive at the end of this disaster.

    Indeed, well said. I was looking forward to the candidates but now the whole thing seems obscene that it is going ahead, saw everybody didnt turn up to the opening ceremony and they are all wearing masks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    Joedryan wrote: »
    Meanwhile, all sporting events in the world are cancelled, countries in lockdown, but the geniuses in FIDE have decided lets go ahead with the candidates :)

    You couldnt make it up.
    But Russia if very safe surely? Has to be tiny risk no? really tiny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Joedryan


    spidersweb wrote: »
    But Russia if very safe surely? Has to be tiny risk no? really tiny

    why very safe? It'll be the same as everywhere else. Worse if anything, I wouldnt trust the official figures at all.

    Grischuk has said there is a 50% chance the tournament wont finish, I'd put it higher, but it simply shouldnt be happening, its obscene.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Of all the sports competitions in the world, surely this has to be one of the easiest to move online?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭checknraise


    I don't think you can move a tournament of the candidates stature online. It would almost be a completely different game and would take away allot from the tournament.

    What happens if the tournament is cancelled does Radjabov get his spot back?


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    Joedryan wrote: »
    why very safe? It'll be the same as everywhere else. Worse if anything, I wouldnt trust the official figures at all.

    Grischuk has said there is a 50% chance the tournament wont finish, I'd put it higher, but it simply shouldnt be happening, its obscene.


    Safe because Russia is a strictly no open border country that took swift action back in January and they have had a very very small number of cases. They will not end up anything like the rest, such as Spain or Italy. There are very logical reasons why Italy was so badly effected so quickly. Those things do not apply in Russia and so far they have contained it.Maybe they won't be able to contain it, but still no comparison with the open borders, no borders nations.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR1kXELmidIKFPi6lwrYv-bxoz-VMJSN21gnt37eNuubDW36c-Dhh7NW2UU#countries

    The case of the Irish kid is not yet confirmed and it might be just that they are not taking any chances. He is stuck in Russia for two weeks now in Q.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 DancingSpaniel


    Russia seems to be closing its borders:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-russia-border-close-flights-when-residents-latest-a9405131.html
    Hope our man is doing ok and gets home soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    Russia seems to be closing its borders:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-russia-border-close-flights-when-residents-latest-a9405131.html
    Hope our man is doing ok and gets home soon.
    Presumably "our man" had the virus before he travelled so he would have been in contact with people on the plane, then people in the bus/taxi, then his opponents, and all those people will in turn have had contact with others. Probably "our man" will only have mild symptoms and recover quickly but I wonder what the long term effects of his parents bringing him to play chess at a time like this will be for others?


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Entirely possible it was contracted over there too. Estonian and French players there too, and both countries are worse hit than us at the moment (or even last Thursday when everyone flew out - seems an age ago now, but we only had 20 or so cases then)

    Either way, while you can argue the tournament shouldn't have gone ahead or players should have withdrawn (and many did), ultimately all this seems inevitable to be honest. People going down the pub or to Cheltenham will have done far more damage than a chess player going to Murmansk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭checknraise


    Its my understanding that "our man" was tested multiple times while in Russia along with everyone else. It was only on the last day that he was flagged as having the virus and was stopped from boarding his flight.

    If what we know about the virus is correct you would imagine everyone who played the tournament should be in quarantine as there is an extremely good chance everyone has it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭RooksPawn


    People writing "our man" and "him" are either guessing (there were girls in the squad too) or they are giving away too much information. Unfair to the families involved.

    I agree it was crazy to go out of the country at all at this time, especially to such a emote place - three flights each way to get there and back perhaps?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    No, they're reading the news.

    Murmansk is Dublin-Moscow and Moscow-Murmansk. And that somewhere as remote as Murmansk is just two flights from Dublin is of course part of the global problem here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 257 ✭✭pummice


    spidersweb wrote: »
    I blame the government.


    You spelt that word incorrectly. It should be Gubbermint.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 DancingSpaniel


    The player is in quarantine in Siberia with travel and borders closing across Europe. What a horrible situation to be in. We all know him. I hope he gets back home safely and think we should stop berating him for an unwise decision.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Murmansk isn't anywhere near Siberia btw. It's in Murmansk.

    Agree with your post otherwise though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    cdeb wrote: »
    Murmansk isn't anywhere near Siberia btw. It's in Murmansk.
    I must admit, I had to look it up myself.

    Where-is-Murmansk-on-map-Russia.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    Its my understanding that "our man" was tested multiple times while in Russia along with everyone else. It was only on the last day that he was flagged as having the virus and was stopped from boarding his flight.

    If what we know about the virus is correct you would imagine everyone who played the tournament should be in quarantine as there is an extremely good chance everyone has it.

    Or nobody actually has it there? Not confirmed yet. He looked and sounded fine on the video he sent around. So, just a major bummer to have to be stuck in Q for two weeks, which is what the Russians are doing more and more now to be on the safer side as they tighten up things even more than before.

    Nobody is to blame anyway. Murmansk is probably among the least likely places on the planet to pick it up from.

    Beginning to wonder if the panic and hysteria is not getting the better of prudence and proportional thinking. Cheltenham, as was pointed out, was surely vastly more risky.

    Life has to go on? At some point. Candidates tournament seem very safe and a good way to get through the lock down phase.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    The player is in quarantine in Siberia with travel and borders closing across Europe. What a horrible situation to be in. We all know him. I hope he gets back home safely and think we should stop berating him for an unwise decision.

    No, many people have no idea who the player is and it is irrelevant anyway.

    Nothing unwise involved here and or to be blamed for. So, nobody should be berating anybody. Just bad luck and things are moving at incredible speed everywhere anyway. Just got caught on the wrong side of some bad luck.

    Main thing is that he is safe and sound and will be fine. Two weeks from now and he will be home and no danger to anybody.


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/16/irish-citizen-in-russias-arctic-hospitalized-with-suspected-coronavirus-a69641

    The young man had competed in a chess tournament held last weekend at the Meridian Hotel in central Murmansk, the Murmansk Bulletin reported. All of the competitors underwent coronavirus tests, and the Irish man’s results came back as “preliminarily positive.”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    The player is in quarantine in Siberia with travel and borders closing across Europe. What a horrible situation to be in. We all know him. I hope he gets back home safely and think we should stop berating him for an unwise decision.

    I don't blame the youngster, I blame his parents.


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    sodacat11 wrote: »
    I don't blame the youngster, I blame his parents.
    I would not blame anybody. Bad luck with bad timing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭RooksPawn


    spidersweb wrote: »
    ...
    Nobody is to blame anyway. Murmansk is probably among the least likely places on the planet to pick it up from.

    Surely there's a huge wrong assumption here? It was only a 3-day tournament and the incubation period of Covid-19 is usually reckoned to be 5+ days.

    So isn't it almost certain that the person concerned had been infected prior to getting to Murmansk (especially as they had no prior cases there) and this is almost certainly a case of community transmission in Ireland.

    I hope that somebody connected with the group has informed the HSE but it wasn't on the lunchtime news.


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    RooksPawn wrote: »
    Surely there's a huge wrong assumption here? It was only a 3-day tournament and the incubation period of Covid-19 is usually reckoned to be 5+ days.

    So isn't it almost certain that the person concerned had been infected prior to getting to Murmansk (especially as they had no prior cases there) and this is almost certainly a case of community transmission in Ireland.

    I hope that somebody connected with the group has informed the HSE but it wasn't on the lunchtime news.

    It is very logical to assume that a country with such a low rate is safe, and especially a far off relatively isolated place like as in here. Yes agree that makes sense.

    However, the fact is that "the Irish man’s results came back as “preliminarily positive.”

    So, we don't even know if he really was infected at all (My guess is that he isn't/wasn't) and they are just forcing people to be in Q for two weeks soon after they had arrived only when departing (policies changing by the day if not the hour, all over the world) Now Russia has a policy of not letting foreigners into the country anymore until May!

    Nobody who went there thought they had the virus and maybe it was just a false positive and they are just being ultra safe. Then again maybe this is an incredible coincidence and an extremely unlucky and rare case of community transmission in Ireland. So far I think Ireland has about 300 (?) out of 4.5 million population, so if we double, treble of multiply by a factor of ten, the odds of having the virus are tiny. Maybe he was just amazingly unlucky?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Someone has to get it I guess. I agree the trip to Murmansk itself wasn't particularly dangerous - there's more cases here, if you believe the respective numbers. The real unfortunate aspect is being stuck in a Russian hospital for a fortnight. While repatriation rights will exist in a fortnight, the question of course is - will planes be flying?

    That said, mayn't be the worst of things to get it out of the way, if the HSE are even half-way right. And if getting it once means you can't get it again for a while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Joedryan


    spidersweb wrote: »
    It is very logical to assume that a country with such a low rate is safe, and especially a far off relatively isolated place like as in here. Yes agree that makes sense.

    However, the fact is that "the Irish man’s results came back as “preliminarily positive.”

    So, we don't even know if he really was infected at all (My guess is that he isn't/wasn't) and they are just forcing people to be in Q for two weeks soon after they had arrived only when departing (policies changing by the day if not the hour, all over the world) Now Russia has a policy of not letting foreigners into the country anymore until May!

    Nobody who went there thought they had the virus and maybe it was just a false positive and they are just being ultra safe. Then again maybe this is an incredible coincidence and an extremely unlucky and rare case of community transmission in Ireland. So far I think Ireland has about 300 (?) out of 4.5 million population, so if we double, treble of multiply by a factor of ten, the odds of having the virus are tiny. Maybe he was just amazingly unlucky?

    ahem. As with your Russia comment earlier, dont trust any figures coming out of there.

    Bear in mind also travel, airports, stuck in an airplane, etc.

    On the candidates today was bizarre, multiple people coughing (MVL especially) and poor ol Karpov didnt hear about the virus was going around trying to shake everybodys hand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,641 ✭✭✭✭namenotavailablE


    Agadmator's chess channel is reporting that the remaining rounds of the Candidates have been postponed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    Agadmator's chess channel is reporting that the remaining rounds of the Candidates have been postponed.
    "Agadmator" The Gerry Springer of chess - or far worse.

    Even he can get something right sometimes. A truly awful Youtuber though. Can barely play chess it seems. He might be worse than the virus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭brilliantboy


    spidersweb wrote: »
    Even he can get something right sometimes. A truly awful Youtuber though. Can barely play chess it seems. He might be worse than the virus.

    Can barely play chess but probably still strong enough to compete in our national championships :o


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    Can barely play chess but probably still strong enough to compete in our national championships :o

    Really? Is he over 1900? You would never know it, to judge by his chess videos, maybe he would slip in at the bottom I guess. His videos are worth a look to appreciate how bad it can be done.

    He is not the worst though. The other giant is this guy:

    https://youtu.be/432p0RdkkCg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,641 ✭✭✭✭namenotavailablE


    Here's his FIDE ratings data: https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=14531348

    Not a massively high rating, sure, but high enough to grant that he can in fact play chess :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    What's that free net pay calculator thing? I haven't bothered to click on it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,641 ✭✭✭✭namenotavailablE


    My spreadsheet? It's for calculating your net pay given a gross value & your tax status. Pretty comprehensive and easy to use, if I say so myself. If you download it, let me know what you think :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    My spreadsheet? It's for calculating your net pay given a gross value & your tax status. Pretty comprehensive and easy to use, if I say so myself. If you download it, let me know what you think :)

    What is it doing on a chess site? Where are the moderators when we need them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,641 ✭✭✭✭namenotavailablE


    I understand that it's permitted to include links in the signature line.


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    Here's his FIDE ratings data: https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=14531348

    Not a massively high rating, sure, but high enough to grant that he can in fact play chess :)
    Wow! Ten years ago he was even 2020! Like I said

    "over 1900? You would never know it, to judge by his chess videos, maybe he would slip in at the bottom I guess.
    His videos are worth a look to appreciate how bad it can be done. "


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    sodacat11 wrote: »
    What is it doing on a chess site? Where are the moderators when we need them?
    You can turn off signatures in the settings somewhere.


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭macelligott




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 DancingSpaniel


    Here's an account from the ChessMates founder, Jurriaan Kien:
    https://en.chessbase.com/post/chess-adventures-in-the-time-of-corona
    Seems quite arrogant about the affair. A global pandemic should not interfere with his chess event!


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    So in the end ALEX WAS NOT POSITIVE! Yup, no hysteria at all then!


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    Here's an account from the ChessMates founder, Jurriaan Kien:
    https://en.chessbase.com/post/chess-adventures-in-the-time-of-corona
    Seems quite arrogant about the affair. A global pandemic should not interfere with his chess event!


    A weird impression you seemed to have got. Did not get the same feel from the article. Plus, it turns out that there was no Coronoa Covid 19 and Alex was there because he coughed at the wrong moment I guess.


    Very unlucky.

    "their oldest player, Alex Goss, was taken to the hospital because he was coughing. But the rest of his team could fly home. But we were told at the hotel that our team had been quarantined."

    "He's been in another hospital all by himself for the last two weeks. All he had was a cough. He was bored stiff.

    Because his tests were negative he was allowed to leave the hospital on Sunday evening. The end of our quarantine was documented by two local television teams. Afterwards we met Alex and our hosts for a farewell party."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 DancingSpaniel


    After testing positive, he got better and when he tested virus-free they ended his quarantine. The concern the healthcare people had was him infecting other people, not whether his symptoms were mild or not.


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    After testing positive, he got better and when he tested virus-free they ended his quarantine. The concern the healthcare people had was him infecting other people, not whether his symptoms were mild or not.



    No he never had it! The original test was never confirmed and this was mentioned in the original article. Hysteria and panic won out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Joedryan


    spidersweb wrote: »
    No he never had it! The original test was never confirmed and this was mentioned in the original article. Hysteria and panic won out.

    eh? he was tested positive for the coronavirus according to all sources, thats not hysteria.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    Joedryan wrote: »
    eh? he was tested positive for the coronavirus according to all sources, thats not hysteria.


    No he wasn't!. All of the competitors underwent coronavirus tests, and the Irish man’s results came back as “preliminarily positive.”

    We never got any confirmation he was positive.
    If he had been positive then there would have been SOME other people infected. None were!


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    *Deleted*

    *mod note* Do not copy and paste full articles from a different website - that is against copyright - a link will suffice along with a summary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Joedryan


    As has been pointed out above this is not exactly a great article, IMO obviously.


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    Joedryan wrote: »
    As has been pointed out above this is not exactly a great article, IMO obviously.


    Great or not is irrelevant, is it true and the answers seems to be absolutely yes. I happen to agree it is not a great article but is better than the speculation before it.


    A big clue is in the headline of the original headline:


    Irish Citizen in Russia’s Arctic Hospitalized With Suspected Coronavirus/

    "Suspected" Coronavirus IS THE GIVE AWAY.



    As is the fact that NOBODY was positive! Nobody. Tested three times a day they were.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Joedryan


    spidersweb wrote: »
    Great or not is irrelevant, is it true and the answers seems to be absolutely yes.


    A big clue is in the headline of the original headline:


    Irish Citizen in Russia’s Arctic Hospitalized With Suspected Coronavirus/

    "Suspected" Coronavirus IS THE GIVE AWAY.



    As is the fact that NOBODY was positive! Nobody. Tested three times a day.

    A positive hit for coronavirus is not to be ignored, I think everybody can appreciate that. That whole article strikes me as very bizarre in its attitude.


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