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Conor mcgregor is being sued *Read OP for mod warning*

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    #92
    beakerjoe
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Innocent people don’t throw hard earned money away on something they didn’t do.

    They do if its not worth the open court battle.

    The fear of prosecution and the perception of the case, regardless of what actually happened, are certainly big factors.

    Lets say they had consensual, rough sex. It could be his word against her word in court. And based on his character, previous accusations, it would be fair to think he might be railroaded.


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    #93
    Fuzzyduzzy
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    paw patrol wrote: »
    your article doesn't state point 2.


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mum-who-claims-sports-star-raped-her-afraid-to-give-statement-37621896.html


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    #94
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    Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mum-who-claims-sports-star-raped-her-afraid-to-give-statement-37621896.html

    the most likely reason why her claim will fail. Too afraid to make a statement to Gardai who could protect her but not too afraid to demand a couple of million in civil court?


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    #95
    Feisar
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    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    Sorry but you are incorrect. Private prosecutions absolutely do exist. The DPP are in charge of PUBLIC prosecutions in the interests of the public.

    Should a person so desire, they can apply to the courts for a private prosecution and produce their evidence. Its very very rare and its even harder to win but lunatics still use it occasionally.

    If you are in the legal business i'll defer to your better knowledge. However my understanding and I took a few modules of law, is that a person can take a civil case for financial compensation. The bar is not as high with a civil case so while the DPP may not proceed or for the matter win the civil case might be successful. I was unaware a citizen could take a criminal case against someone. Again my knowledge is based on a few modules of contract law.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #96
    Donald Trump
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    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    the most likely reason why her claim will fail. Too afraid to make a statement to Gardai who could protect her but not too afraid to demand a couple of million in civil court?




    Article is from December 2018. The weekend after the alleged incident FFS. You have no idea what statements she might or might not have given to the Guards. Neither do I.


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    #97
    ohnonotgmail
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    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    Sorry but you are incorrect. Private prosecutions absolutely do exist. The DPP are in charge of PUBLIC prosecutions in the interests of the public.

    Should a person so desire, they can apply to the courts for a private prosecution and produce their evidence. Its very very rare and its even harder to win but lunatics still use it occasionally.

    Yes a person can apply to the courts for a private prosecution but only at the district court level for less serious offences.


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    #98
    FreudianSlippers
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    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    Sorry but you are incorrect. Private prosecutions absolutely do exist. The DPP are in charge of PUBLIC prosecutions in the interests of the public.

    Should a person so desire, they can apply to the courts for a private prosecution and produce their evidence. Its very very rare and its even harder to win but lunatics still use it occasionally.
    I'm not a criminal practitioner for sure, but I thought that there was case law to suggest that such a private prosecution was confined to the facts of the case in question and was limited to DC "jurisdiction" (for lack of being able to think of a better word!).

    Again, haven't touched criminal law as a practitioner even remotely, so I certainly could be incorrect on this.


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    #99
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    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    the most likely reason why her claim will fail. Too afraid to make a statement to Gardai who could protect her but not too afraid to demand a couple of million in civil court?

    she did make a statement to the guards in January 2019

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/19/sports/conor-mcgregor-lawsuit-ufc.html
    She was examined in a sexual assault treatment unit at a hospital after her mother called her an ambulance when she arrived home, the lawsuit said. According to the statement, bruising was found on most of her body, and she had abrasions on her face, neck and right breast.

    A month later, the woman went to the police and reported that she had been raped, the lawsuit said. She has not been able to work since May 2019, and describes a host of psychological and emotional problems because of the alleged attack.


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    #100
    ohnonotgmail
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    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    I'm not a criminal practitioner for sure, but I thought that there was case law to suggest that such a private prosecution was confined to the facts of the case in question and was limited to DC "jurisdiction" (for lack of being able to think of a better word!).

    Again, haven't touched criminal law as a practitioner even remotely, so I certainly could be incorrect on this.

    you are 100% correct.


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    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Article is from December 2018. The weekend after the alleged incident FFS. You have no idea what statements she might or might not have given to the Guards. Neither do I.

    Perhaps I know more than you? Perhaps the lack of evidence within the papers stating an actual statement was ever made?
    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    I'm not a criminal practitioner for sure, but I thought that there was case law to suggest that such a private prosecution was confined to the facts of the case in question and was limited to DC "jurisdiction" (for lack of being able to think of a better word!).

    Again, haven't touched criminal law as a practitioner even remotely, so I certainly could be incorrect on this.
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Yes a person can apply to the courts for a private prosecution but only at the district court level for less serious offences.

    Offence is not limited, just the court which obviously limits the penalties. Its been upheld in Kelly & anor -v- Ryan, 2013. regardless, the fact is that the statement was incorrect. Private prosecutions can be taken
    glasso wrote: »
    she did make a statement to the guards in January 2019

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/19/sports/conor-mcgregor-lawsuit-ufc.html

    A report is not a statement. Theres a difference.


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    #102
    nullzero
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    ****


    McGregor could do with someone who can keep him on the straight and narrow.

    He always seems to have his hand hovering over the self destruct button.

    Glazers Out!



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    #103
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    Niner leprauchan wrote: »

    A report is not a statement. Theres a difference.

    ffs, she made the statement to police

    New York times used the word report, big deal.

    you are wrong.

    Jan 2019 when the "sports-star" was arrested

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/sportsman-arrested-over-alleged-sex-assault-in-dublin-1.3762529
    The alleged assault happened on the night of December 9th or early the next morning, when a complaint was made to gardaí. The woman has since made a formal statement to investigators, on foot of which the man was arrested.

    He was detained under Section 4 of the Criminal Justice Act 1984 before being released without charge. A file on the matter is being prepared for the Director of Public Prosecutions and the investigation is ongoing.


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    #104
    Donald Trump
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    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    Perhaps I know more than you? Perhaps the lack of evidence within the papers stating an actual statement was ever made?



    You logic makes no sense. You appear to be saying that because you are not aware of newspaper reports on a statement being made, that you know more than others.


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    #105
    hatrickpatrick
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    On private prosecutions, if they do exist, I would assume that the bar for such prosecutions in terms of the severity of the crime is the same as that which dictates whether the Gardaí can charge a person or if they have to send a file to the DPP and await a charge - namely, whether the crime in question is regarded as an indictable offense.


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    #106
    ohnonotgmail
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    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    Perhaps I know more than you? Perhaps the lack of evidence within the papers stating an actual statement was ever made?





    Offence is not limited, just the court which obviously limits the penalties. Its been upheld in Kelly & anor -v- Ryan, 2013. regardless, the fact is that the statement was incorrect. Private prosecutions can be taken


    offences are limited in the district court. offences that have penalties beyond what the DC can give can not be taken to the DC. Yes you can take a private prosecution for a limited set of offences but taking a private prosecution was not an option for this lady.


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    #107
    AndrewJRenko
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Its what normally happens in these cases. The DPP are notorious for being hesitant to prosecute rape cases unless they know they have a slam dunk. So most victims of rape have to go down the civil route to get justice, this is normal in Ireland.

    Has this approach happened often here? I don't recall hearing many reports of such cases.


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    #108
    Doctors room ghost
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    nullzero wrote: »
    McGregor could do with someone who can keep him on the straight and narrow.

    He always seems to have his hand hovering over the self destruct button.





    Or he could try being a mature, honest, decent human being.


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    #109
    Bigmac1euro
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    Donald Trump wrote: »
    You've heard her story? Did she tell you any claims that haven't been printed yet?

    It’s all printed below

    https://www.google.es/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/19/sports/conor-mcgregor-lawsuit-ufc.amp.html


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    #110
    beakerjoe
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    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    Or he could try being a mature, honest, decent human being.

    Ive managed to go through life without assaulting someone, flashing my bits at women and not raping someone.

    Its not hard.


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    #111
    begbysback
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    beakerjoe wrote: »
    Ive managed to go through life without assaulting someone, flashing my bits at women and not raping someone.

    Its not hard.

    Credit for not assaulting people and not raping someone, but why are you going around flashing your bits at women?


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    #112
    Donald Trump
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    begbysback wrote: »
    Credit for not assaulting people and not raping someone, but why are you going around flashing your bits at women?




    As your man Meatloaf sang - two out of three ain't bad



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RzukBrNVU8


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    #113
    Bigmac1euro
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    glasso wrote: »
    it was not too late

    a rape kit would have been processed at the hospital when she went there (same day she got back from the hotel). this is done by medical personnel not the guards

    guards went to the hotel to gather evidence a day or two after the incident (may have been cleaned at that point)

    McGregor himself and lawyer actually went to the guards with his story (the wrong station actually) the next day before the alleged victim was even involved with police - must have thought that something could possibly be up for some reason....

    her making a statement a few weeks later to the police actually makes no difference

    we don't know the reasons why the DPP didn't go forward with the case

    Why did the police drop the case if they have evidence of Mcgregor’s DNA inside her?


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    #114
    hynesie08
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    Bigmac1euro wrote: »
    Why did the police drop the case if they have evidence of Mcgregor’s DNA inside her?

    They didn't, the dpp did.


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    #115
    jimwallace197
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Its what normally happens in these cases. The DPP are notorious for being hesitant to prosecute rape cases unless they know they have a slam dunk. So most victims of rape have to go down the civil route to get justice, this is normal in Ireland.

    Not true, the DPP pursued a case against Sil Fox for a sexual assault claim where there was CCTV evidence pre-trial that completely contradicted the complainants claims but they still went ahead with it anyway. Now he is suing them and rightly so.

    Alot of rape cases are pursued if the complainant wants to go ahead with it whether the DPP believe they will win or not.

    In this case, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have been willing to testify in court under cross examination from a senior barrister or would have been reluctant to hence why she is instead going down the easier road of a civil claim.

    On top of this, given the high profile nature of the defendant, it would have been a lot more difficult for them to go ahead with this case and for it to be a fair trial.


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    #116
    Baggly
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    Mod

    Re-read the OP please. No unfounded speculation. Offending post carded and quotes of it deleted.


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    #117
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    Conor is so good at raping women..

    It's his movement I think..


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    #118
    Ash.J.Williams
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    jimwallace197 wrote: »
    Not true, the DPP pursued a case against Sil Fox for a sexual assault claim where there was CCTV evidence pre-trial that completely contradicted the complainants claims but they still went ahead with it anyway. Now he is suing them and rightly so.

    Alot of rape cases are pursued if the complainant wants to go ahead with it whether the DPP believe they will win or not.

    In this case, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have been willing to testify in court under cross examination from a senior barrister or would have been reluctant to hence why she is instead going down the easier road of a civil claim.

    On top of this, given the high profile nature of the defendant, it would have been a lot more difficult for them to go ahead with this case and for it to be a fair trial.

    I don’t that that was a rape trial


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    #119
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    it is really remarkable that out of all the wealthy sports stars out there that one alone manages to rack up 3 sexual assault allegations against him in less than 3 years.

    nevermind all the other stuff actually caught on camera


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    #120
    jimwallace197
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    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    I don’t that that was a rape trial

    Yes, not a rape trial but still a sexual assualt trial, not that different. The poster was assuming the dpp only pursue cases where its slam dunk, thats certainly not the case. Fling enough mud I guess and some will catch, that seems more like the approach of our so called DPP. I hope Sil Fox takes them to the cleaners.


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    #121
    BattleCorp
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    Bigmac1euro wrote: »
    Why did the police drop the case if they have evidence of Mcgregor’s DNA inside her?

    DNA (semen) alone inside someone isn't proof of rape. It could have gotten there through other means, i.e. consentual sex, placed there from a used condom etc.

    More evidence than DNA would probably be needed to get a rape conviction as the burden of proof is beyond reasonable doubt.

    The burden of proof in a civil case is lower, it's the balance of probabilities. Therefore her testimony along with medical evidence, bruises and scrapes and the DNA would form part of her evidence against McGregor. Would it tip things in her favour far enough for a win, I don't know as I'm not privvy to all of the evidence.


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