Conor mcgregor is being sued Read OP for mod warning

Dravokivich · 20-01-2021 3:03am

Maybe she doesn't want any backlash on this targeted directly at her? If she already feels mocked and intimated now, it's sure to be worse if her name was out and this falls through.

All she did was follow legal processes. Its not other fault a certain media outlet in USA can name and shame Conor while listing the allegations against him.

Donald Trump · 20-01-2021 3:08am

Gatling wrote: »

A hypothetical victim who's claim were completely rejected by the gardai and DPP and now we have person injury claim before a big fight for him ,
Which will likely be settled out of court and the hypothetical victim signs a non disclosure agreement and she suddenly goes away quietly ,
Why not go public with the claim she would find huge support by doing so why would he sue her if she's got evidence to back up her claim,

Personal injury claims are settled by insurance companies not individuals being sued.

Seems like a odd situation to me ,

That's mental in my opinion.

Given that a criminal prosecution has not proceeded, she now has two options (following your logic). The first is to defame the guy publicly on Facebook. The second is to proceed with a civil case which may find in her favour and validate her story.

Given a hypothetical scenario where there were a number of people in a room. One person presents injuries and claims that they were assaulted by individual X. Individual Y steps forward and claims he inflicted said injuries during consensual activities. Throw in a load of illegal substances and somewhat foggy memories. It would not really be surprising if the DPP felt that there would not be able to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt. I think it is perfectly plausible that they know something happened while also knowing they wouldn't be able to get a conviction.

Not sure why you are going on about insurance companies. Not unless the alleged perpetrator has an insurance policy to cover any losses from rape/assault cases

Gatling · 20-01-2021 3:21am

Donald Trump wrote: »

The second is to proceed with a civil case which may find in her favour and validate her story.

They are looking for a certain figure do you honestly think they are going to court ,this is nothing more a negotiation that's the whole idea , here's what I'm looking for publicly ,this will never make it to a personal injury court ,

Your saying if she went public be would counter with defamation ,but yet she's supposedly got medical and physical evidence , bittern ,hit , choked , bodily fluids ,
It a bit hard to dispute in this day and age ,

Maybe the DPP can publicly clarify why it wasn't prosocuted ,even victims groups and various metoo crowds are awfully quiet about this ,
More noise was made about non existent onlyfans leaks than this

Donald Trump · 20-01-2021 3:28am

Gatling wrote: »

They are looking for a certain figure do you honestly think they are going to court ,this is nothing more a negotiation that's the whole idea , here's what I'm looking for publicly ,this will never make it to a personal injury court ,

Your saying if she went public be would counter with defamation ,but yet she's supposedly got medical and physical evidence , bittern ,hit , choked , bodily fluids ,
It a bit hard to dispute in this day and age ,

Maybe the DPP can publicly clarify why it wasn't prosocuted ,even victims groups and various metoo crowds are awfully quiet about this ,
More noise was made about non existent onlyfans leaks than this

You have no idea what she does or does not have. Neither do I

If she has nothing then no settlement

Gatling · 20-01-2021 3:45am

Donald Trump wrote: »

If she has nothing then no settlement

Settlements don't work like that ,

Let's look at another point the victim is looking for 1.4 million not ,5,10 ,20 million , he's supposedly worth several hundred million, seems to be a very lowball figure for a viscous assault against 2 individuals .

I can't see anywhere this is about justice ,

jimmycrackcorm · 20-01-2021 3:51am

beakerjoe wrote: »

Realisticly its an expensive money grab if it doesnt pay off. You cant just sue someone, especially a multi millionaire, on a whim. The legal costs alone would make a frivolous claim a stupid move against someone with some financial muscle.

She must be confident in her case. Her confidence is probably based off Conors wreckless behaviour.

There'd be no lawsuit if he was just an ordinary Joe instead of a multi-millionaire. I'm open to correction but I think a civil case has a lesser burden of proof but it'll still be an uphill struggle of his word against hers.

Jpscoles · 20-01-2021 3:57am

he will end up like Mike Tyson. Loved and reviled when he is older and admits to all the **** he did.

Everyone loves tyson, but he was the same, a coked up vicious rapist and scumbag.

15 years time conor will have softened edges and tell all his crazy stories and everyone will be like 'ah he was only a messer'

Ash.J.Williams · 20-01-2021 9:55am

simongurnick wrote: »

Of course. This is compo culture Ireland where people get 12 grand because of a smiley face on a cup and politicians seek damages for falling off swings.

Anyone care to explain why the mother is also seeking damages? Did he assault her too??

you cannot get away with the slanty eye joke in 2021, the jim davidson fans are out in force this week

Ash.J.Williams · 20-01-2021 10:09am

simongurnick wrote: »

I'd be ok too. Just take out the word alleged. Guards looked at this for 2 years and couldn't bring a case

They did bring a case but the dpp didn’t see a conviction

Sweet.Science · 20-01-2021 10:14am

Vestiapx wrote: »

Evidence of something happening is not evidence of who did it.

The fact they weren't paid off to go away speaks volumes in my opinion.

What ?

It was in the papers she was offered €1m and turned it down.

Its crazy the infatuation grown men have with a man they don't know from Adam and never will .

Ash.J.Williams · 20-01-2021 10:16am

is this the famous "Sports star" night in the B hotel or is it another night?

ILoveYourVibes · 20-01-2021 10:18am

Is anyone surprised? He is a walking litigation.

Sweet.Science · 20-01-2021 10:25am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

is this the famous "Sports star" night in the B hotel or is it another night?

Same night

paw patrol · 20-01-2021 10:54am

The DPP say there isn't enough evidence.
Irrespective of the personalities involved there is a element of unfairness in the process where there is no trial but he can be sued.

That is a de facto conviction for something the actual legal process says there is insufficient evidence for a case.
The law courts should be the only barometer.

Now I've heard rumours and they sound horrible but rumours aren't facts,

Ash.J.Williams · 20-01-2021 10:55am

paw patrol wrote: »

The DPP say there isn't enough evidence.
Irrespective of the personalities involved there is a element of unfairness in the process where there is no trial but he can be sued.

That is a de facto conviction for something the actual legal process says there is insufficient evidence for a case.
The law courts should be the only barometer.

Now I've heard rumours and they sound horrible but rumours aren't facts,

The omagh bombers were not convicted but the victim’s families took a civil action and won

paw patrol · 20-01-2021 11:15am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

The omagh bombers were not convicted but the victim’s families took a civil action and won

This is correct. but doesn't change my opinion that the law courts should be the standard. As I eluded too , it's a conviction by the back door.

I don't like but not much i can do , it's the rules of the game at the min.

Fuzzyduzzy · 20-01-2021 11:22am

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/sports-star-at-the-centre-of-rape-claim-says-sex-was-consensual-37727340.html

Two things we know:
1. 'Irish sports star' admits having sex with this woman.
2. She was found "battered and bruised" before being transferred to the Rotunda Hospital Sexual Assault Treatment Unit.

paw patrol · 20-01-2021 11:25am

Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/sports-star-at-the-centre-of-rape-claim-says-sex-was-consensual-37727340.html

Two things we know:
1. 'Irish sports star' admits having sex with this woman.
2. She was found "battered and bruised" before being transferred to the Rotunda Hospital Sexual Assault Treatment Unit.

your article doesn't state point 2.

Ash.J.Williams · 20-01-2021 11:27am

paw patrol wrote: »

This is correct. but doesn't change my opinion that the law courts should be the standard. As I eluded too , it's a conviction by the back door.

I don't like but not much i can do , it's the rules of the game at the min.

The dpp might not have been confident in a rape conviction, but it’s easier (if it’s true ) to hold somebody responsible for causing injuries.

(Calling some one names can cause injury legally )

beakerjoe · 20-01-2021 11:28am

Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/sports-star-at-the-centre-of-rape-claim-says-sex-was-consensual-37727340.html

Two things we know:
1. 'Irish sports star' admits having sex with this woman.
2. She was found "battered and bruised" before being transferred to the Rotunda Hospital Sexual Assault Treatment Unit.

We also know the accused character suggests he thinks hes above the law. Punching aul lads who dont like his terrible whiskey and whipping his lad out to women.

Its only a matter of time before his actions catch up with him.

weldoninhio · 20-01-2021 11:50am

Gatling wrote: »

They are looking for a certain figure do you honestly think they are going to court ,this is nothing more a negotiation that's the whole idea , here's what I'm looking for publicly ,this will never make it to a personal injury court ,

Your saying if she went public be would counter with defamation ,but yet she's supposedly got medical and physical evidence , bittern ,hit , choked , bodily fluids ,
It a bit hard to dispute in this day and age ,

Maybe the DPP can publicly clarify why it wasn't prosocuted ,even victims groups and various metoo crowds are awfully quiet about this ,
More noise was made about non existent onlyfans leaks than this

If you have literally no knowledge about a subject, it’s best to keep quiet, rather than look like an idiot in your posts.

NewMan1982 · 20-01-2021 12:00pm

Let’s assume she was raped and the DPP did not think the case was strong enough.
Can you blame her for taking a civil case and trying to get compensation for what happened?

Muahahaha · 20-01-2021 12:18pm

NewMan1982 wrote: »

Let’s assume she was raped and the DPP did not think the case was strong enough.
Can you blame her for taking a civil case and trying to get compensation for what happened?

Its what normally happens in these cases. The DPP are notorious for being hesitant to prosecute rape cases unless they know they have a slam dunk. So most victims of rape have to go down the civil route to get justice, this is normal in Ireland.

Ash.J.Williams · 20-01-2021 12:47pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Its what normally happens in these cases. The DPP are notorious for being hesitant to prosecute rape cases unless they know they have a slam dunk. So most victims of rape have to go down the civil route to get justice, this is normal in Ireland.

the girl in the NI Rugby case would have won damages in a civil case, the PSNI were gung ho in persuing a rape conviction

Donald Trump · 20-01-2021 12:54pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

the girl in the NI Rugby case would have won damages in a civil case, the PSNI were gung ho in persuing a rape conviction

Does taking a criminal case mean you cannot later take a civil one?

General question about the legal system. I wouldn't have thought that it would but I don't know

FreudianSlippers · 20-01-2021 12:57pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Does taking a criminal case mean you cannot later take a civil one?

General question about the legal system. I wouldn't have thought that it would but I don't know

No. Individuals cannot take criminal cases.

hynesie08 · 20-01-2021 1:00pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Does taking a criminal case mean you cannot later take a civil one?

General question about the legal system. I wouldn't have thought that it would but I don't know

No, the most obvious example is O.J Simpson, the family took a civil case a couple of years later.

Donald Trump · 20-01-2021 1:04pm

hynesie08 wrote: »

No, the most obvious example is O.J Simpson, the family took a civil case a couple of years later.

I am aware of tthe Simpson case of course but that was in the US so I was asking about systems over this side of the Atlantic.

It appeared that the post that I replied to was kind of implying that the PSNI decision somehow prevented that person from taking a civil case. I did not think that that was the case but I may have misinterpreted their post

FreudianSlippers · 20-01-2021 1:09pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

I am aware of tthe Simpson case of course but that was in the US so I was asking about systems over this side of the Atlantic.

It appeared that the post that I replied to was kind of implying that the PSNI decision somehow prevented that person from taking a civil case. I did not think that that was the case but I may have misinterpreted their post

So, there are criminal laws but also civil torts - an individual cannot bring a criminal case against someone, only the State can do that (or the Crown in the case of NI); that doesn't stop an individual bringing a civil case for a tort i.e. trespass against the person.

Keep in mind as well that there are vastly different burdens of proof between civil cases and criminal cases, with the latter being a much higher bar to reach than the former.

Rows Grower · 20-01-2021 1:13pm

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say this case will be settled out of court.

PCros · 20-01-2021 1:13pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Am I misreading your claim or are you saying that if a hypothetical rape victim wanted justice, then they should forgo their anonymity on Facebook if they are genuine?

Her name is listed as under the High Court search website so essentially its out there now.

beakerjoe · 20-01-2021 1:26pm

Rows Grower wrote: »

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say this case will be settled out of court.

Most likely. Throw money at it and it goes away. We will never know if he is guilty or innocent.

Donald Trump · 20-01-2021 1:27pm

PCros wrote: »

Her name is listed as under the High Court search website so essentially its out there now.

Yes but that is because it is a civil case.

The post was implying the principle that if a person was assaulted that you would expect that they'd post the details on Facebook

FreudianSlippers · 20-01-2021 1:27pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Yes but that is because it is a civil case.

The post was implying the principle that if a person was assaulted that you would expect that they'd post the details on Facebook

Very little real-world evidence to support this claim tbf.

Muahahaha · 20-01-2021 1:29pm

Rows Grower wrote: »

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say this case will be settled out of court.

More than likely. But you can get a complainant who wants justice done and wants it seen to be done in public. Rape/sexual abuse cases are particularly personal to the victim and it can be the case that vindication in a public court is far more important to them than any compensation offered before it goes to a full hearing.

We likely wont know for 2 or 3 years anyway as there is a back log for civil cases in the High Court due to Covid, they have stopped holding jury trials in civil cases since last March.

Donald Trump · 20-01-2021 1:30pm

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Very little real-world evidence to support this claim tbf.

Yes but there would never be - given the alleged circumstances.

All the person would be doing is posting defamatory statements.

weldoninhio · 20-01-2021 1:30pm

beakerjoe wrote: »

Most likely. Throw money at it and it goes away. We will never know if he is guilty or innocent.

Innocent people don’t throw hard earned money away on something they didn’t do.

FreudianSlippers · 20-01-2021 1:32pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Yes but there would never be - given the alleged circumstances.

All the person would be doing is posting defamatory statements.

Sorry I misread "would" as "wouldn't". I still don't think we can easily predict what an alleged victim would or wouldn't do in any specific situation.

FreudianSlippers · 20-01-2021 1:36pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Innocent people don’t throw hard earned money away on something they didn’t do.

Again, I'm not so sure about this - there are plenty of situations where companies have settled for nuisance value to keep the bigger story (and potential trial) out of the spotlight even if they were not "in the wrong". There's also the chance that despite your best efforts to defend a claim you lose on the day... then you're in the ****. This person in question is so well-known and valuable from a corporate perspective that I don't think you can necessarily ascribe what Joe Bloggs would do in a situation to him; in other words, I wouldn't necessarily in all circumstances take a settlement as an acceptance of guilt.

20-01-2021 1:40pm

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

No. Individuals cannot take criminal cases.

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

So, there are criminal laws but also civil torts - an individual cannot bring a criminal case against someone, only the State can do that (or the Crown in the case of NI); that doesn't stop an individual bringing a civil case for a tort i.e. trespass against the person.

Keep in mind as well that there are vastly different burdens of proof between civil cases and criminal cases, with the latter being a much higher bar to reach than the former.

Sorry but you are incorrect. Private prosecutions absolutely do exist. The DPP are in charge of PUBLIC prosecutions in the interests of the public.

Should a person so desire, they can apply to the courts for a private prosecution and produce their evidence. Its very very rare and its even harder to win but lunatics still use it occasionally.

beakerjoe · 20-01-2021 1:40pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Innocent people don’t throw hard earned money away on something they didn’t do.

They do if its not worth the open court battle.

The fear of prosecution and the perception of the case, regardless of what actually happened, are certainly big factors.

Lets say they had consensual, rough sex. It could be his word against her word in court. And based on his character, previous accusations, it would be fair to think he might be railroaded.

Fuzzyduzzy · 20-01-2021 1:46pm

paw patrol wrote: »

your article doesn't state point 2.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mum-who-claims-sports-star-raped-her-afraid-to-give-statement-37621896.html

20-01-2021 1:49pm

Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mum-who-claims-sports-star-raped-her-afraid-to-give-statement-37621896.html

the most likely reason why her claim will fail. Too afraid to make a statement to Gardai who could protect her but not too afraid to demand a couple of million in civil court?

Feisar · 20-01-2021 1:51pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Sorry but you are incorrect. Private prosecutions absolutely do exist. The DPP are in charge of PUBLIC prosecutions in the interests of the public.

Should a person so desire, they can apply to the courts for a private prosecution and produce their evidence. Its very very rare and its even harder to win but lunatics still use it occasionally.

If you are in the legal business i'll defer to your better knowledge. However my understanding and I took a few modules of law, is that a person can take a civil case for financial compensation. The bar is not as high with a civil case so while the DPP may not proceed or for the matter win the civil case might be successful. I was unaware a citizen could take a criminal case against someone. Again my knowledge is based on a few modules of contract law.

Donald Trump · 20-01-2021 1:52pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

the most likely reason why her claim will fail. Too afraid to make a statement to Gardai who could protect her but not too afraid to demand a couple of million in civil court?

Article is from December 2018. The weekend after the alleged incident FFS. You have no idea what statements she might or might not have given to the Guards. Neither do I.

ohnonotgmail · 20-01-2021 1:58pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Sorry but you are incorrect. Private prosecutions absolutely do exist. The DPP are in charge of PUBLIC prosecutions in the interests of the public.

Should a person so desire, they can apply to the courts for a private prosecution and produce their evidence. Its very very rare and its even harder to win but lunatics still use it occasionally.

Yes a person can apply to the courts for a private prosecution but only at the district court level for less serious offences.

FreudianSlippers · 20-01-2021 1:58pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Sorry but you are incorrect. Private prosecutions absolutely do exist. The DPP are in charge of PUBLIC prosecutions in the interests of the public.

Should a person so desire, they can apply to the courts for a private prosecution and produce their evidence. Its very very rare and its even harder to win but lunatics still use it occasionally.

I'm not a criminal practitioner for sure, but I thought that there was case law to suggest that such a private prosecution was confined to the facts of the case in question and was limited to DC "jurisdiction" (for lack of being able to think of a better word!).

Again, haven't touched criminal law as a practitioner even remotely, so I certainly could be incorrect on this.

20-01-2021 2:04pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

the most likely reason why her claim will fail. Too afraid to make a statement to Gardai who could protect her but not too afraid to demand a couple of million in civil court?

she did make a statement to the guards in January 2019

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/19/sports/conor-mcgregor-lawsuit-ufc.html

She was examined in a sexual assault treatment unit at a hospital after her mother called her an ambulance when she arrived home, the lawsuit said. According to the statement, bruising was found on most of her body, and she had abrasions on her face, neck and right breast.

A month later, the woman went to the police and reported that she had been raped, the lawsuit said. She has not been able to work since May 2019, and describes a host of psychological and emotional problems because of the alleged attack.

ohnonotgmail · 20-01-2021 2:42pm

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I'm not a criminal practitioner for sure, but I thought that there was case law to suggest that such a private prosecution was confined to the facts of the case in question and was limited to DC "jurisdiction" (for lack of being able to think of a better word!).

Again, haven't touched criminal law as a practitioner even remotely, so I certainly could be incorrect on this.

you are 100% correct.

20-01-2021 3:28pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Article is from December 2018. The weekend after the alleged incident FFS. You have no idea what statements she might or might not have given to the Guards. Neither do I.

Perhaps I know more than you? Perhaps the lack of evidence within the papers stating an actual statement was ever made?

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I'm not a criminal practitioner for sure, but I thought that there was case law to suggest that such a private prosecution was confined to the facts of the case in question and was limited to DC "jurisdiction" (for lack of being able to think of a better word!).

Again, haven't touched criminal law as a practitioner even remotely, so I certainly could be incorrect on this.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Yes a person can apply to the courts for a private prosecution but only at the district court level for less serious offences.

Offence is not limited, just the court which obviously limits the penalties. Its been upheld in Kelly & anor -v- Ryan, 2013. regardless, the fact is that the statement was incorrect. Private prosecutions can be taken

glasso wrote: »

she did make a statement to the guards in January 2019

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/19/sports/conor-mcgregor-lawsuit-ufc.html

A report is not a statement. Theres a difference.

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