Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

J_M_G wrote: »

Irish broadcasting and RTE reform should be very simple.

The only programming should be news bulletins, current affairs and discussion type shows, shows about Irish culture, regional affairs and history and Irish sport.

That's it.

No dramas, no soaps, no movies, no foreign sport, no low brow content like reality tv.

No ads either. Downsize it by 50-75% and fund it via general taxation. Scrap the license fee and all associated collection costs.

News bulletins every 2 hours at 7am, 9am, 11am, 1pm, 3pm, 5pm, 7pm and 9pm.
Nice and simple, focused exclusively on national news with international if it's something major and important.

Current affairs shows on politics, culture and social issues of the day. These should be 1-2 hour longform discussion shows. Simple and cheap to produce. Imagine Joe Rogan style conversations and debates. Just a bunch of people sitting around a table talking. Obviously the current manner RTE do things like this is awful and biased toward a liberal agenda and the whole thing needs completely overhauling, but the general idea behind current affairs discussion is timeless.

Irish sport. Self explanatory. GAA, LoI, etc. Nothing fancy. Just show the games and have the odd behind the scenes sport stuff. Easy.

Irish culture and history shows a la Nationwide. Simple regional reporting made by a crew of a half dozen people on interesting things around our nation.

That's literally it. No joke you could probably do all that for about 5% of the current RTE budget.

That's what a national broadcaster should be about. I bet if RTE did that, because it would cost f**k all to produce, most people would be totally fine with it being funded from general taxation. It would be a rounding error in the national budget if done right.

But we all know it will never happen because it would require a total obliteration of the RTE gravy train and wink wink nudge nudge inner circle of overpaid presenters and management and bureaucracy and nepotism.

I don't think Fair City takes up as much of RTÉ's budget as EastEnders does of the BBC's.

As for sport, RTÉ can't not show World Cup and European Championship (not to be mixed up with Champions League) football - nothing to do with wanting to preserve a 'gravy train' but everything to do with public opinion.

As for alleged bias, I don't think RTÉ could be accused of letting the government off the hook, given its coverage of the long-term historic crisis in the health service.

How can so many of us see exactly what's wrong with RTE, and yet the Government ignore it?

Is long past time that we all put massive pressure on the Minister to act.

garrettod wrote: »

Long past time that we all started putting some pressure on the Minister, to take action here and force RTE to cut costs.

A simple email or letter from everyone here, would be a great start - so come on everyone, let's go for it...

Waste of time trying to reach him, the dozy gimp is never awake.

buddabelly wrote: »

Fact is next to no one would pay 52 quid a year for a RTE subscription, its pure rubbish, the nerve of them running a advertising campaign with them as the provider of Real news and facts, do they think we are that dumb to not remember the lack of RTE coverage of the IMF coming in to bail out the country?
Not a peep on RTE news and it was the main story on EVERY satellite station, i even got a phone call from a relation abroad asking what the story as it the main story on the news in the country they are living in.
RTE are nothing but a mouth piece of the government and a golden circle for those in the clique.

Is this the same RTE that brought Patrick Honahan onto Morning Ireland to tell us what was going on with the IMF?

ministers.office@chg.gov.ie Catherine Martin is now minister for media, broadcasting has moved to this Dept

J_M_G wrote: »

Irish broadcasting and RTE reform should be very simple.

There should be reform but it sounds to me like what you are suggesting is exactly what RTÉ provide.

The only programming should be news bulletins, current affairs and discussion type shows, shows about Irish culture, regional affairs and history and Irish sport.

Bizarrely, RTÉ have cut down on their news bulletins, yet they created a full time 24 hour news channel! RTÉ ONE's main schedule is news and current affairs, then hour long docs, Nationwide, history and Sport all exist, rarely does RTÉ stray into non-Irish sports with the exception of Champions League. But really there is not much else on RTÉ.

That's it. No dramas, no soaps, no movies, no foreign sport, no low brow content like reality tv.

Why not, it's unlike that any other broadcasters will pick up the tab for local drama, soap is soap, imports outside of movies need to go, as I say there is little foreign sport on RTÉ, why not low brow content? Just because you think its low brow, how about a quiz show, or some satire or comedy. RTÉ do little in this regard in any case, bar the annual muppetry that is DWTS.

No ads either. Downsize it by 50-75% and fund it via general taxation. Scrap the license fee and all associated collection costs.

News bulletins every 2 hours at 7am, 9am, 11am, 1pm, 3pm, 5pm, 7pm and 9pm.
Nice and simple, focused exclusively on national news with international if it's something major and important.

I'd love to see RTÉ have news bulletins at the times you suggest, as I say RTÉ have cut down on those, suggesting online first. Is it not very narrow to only examine your own national news, why not have some reports from other Euro nations on RTÉ also. When you say bulletin do you mean 30mins or 10mins or just 5mins? Because on TV RTÉ don't have any news before 1pm!!!

Current affairs shows on politics, culture and social issues of the day. These should be 1-2 hour longform discussion shows.....

Yeah, I agree, TV3 really allowed this happen with The Tonight Show with VB, though I think 2 hours might be a bit long for talking heads, only so much an audience can take. Largely RTÉ do this with TWIP, Claire Byrne and Prime Time. But could easily add culture programs like that of Arena to their service.

Irish sport. Self explanatory. GAA, LoI, etc. Nothing fancy. Just show the games and have the odd behind the scenes sport stuff. Easy.

Actually brings people to a sport, the fanciness. People would be up in arms if RTÉ dropped their analysis, and why should they? In terms of Irish Sport, largely RTÉ don't show other sports, save for Champions League which they don't hold the full rights to, and they have agreement with EBU for big events like Olympics and WC.

Irish culture and history shows a la Nationwide. Simple regional reporting made by a crew of a half dozen people on interesting things around our nation

You seem to be describing RTÉ to me, RTÉ don't really do much else.

That's literally it. No joke you could probably do all that for about 5% of the current RTE budget.

Perhaps but reform would help, though do you really want an IRISH TV type channel? Should we not aim for more?

That's what a national broadcaster should be about. I bet if RTE did that, because it would cost f**k all to produce, most people would be totally fine with it being funded from general taxation. It would be a rounding error in the national budget if done right.

Low cost and cheap would be complaint, the lack of other programming on the channels or channel.

But we all know it will never happen because it would require a total obliteration of the RTE gravy train and wink wink nudge nudge inner circle of overpaid presenters and management and bureaucracy and nepotism.

I agree reform needs to happen but I'd rather see RTÉ's budget work than slash it for what we already have.

Oh! all the ad revenue with head to English broadcasters, but I've mention that before.

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Another new face on RTE.

Elizabeth Coleman, presenting the weather.

Is she RTÉ or Met Éireann?

Maysa07 wrote: »

Some good research on this article..

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/is-the-move-by-the-rt%C3%A9-nso-to-the-nch-a-reverse-takeover-1.3588800

I did not know

In November, RTɒs orchestral players were told by RTÉ executives that there would just be a single orchestra left by June 2018. That same month RTÉ commissioned the review of its orchestral provision

However, I kind of knew that the document was presenting a final view that had been established before it was written, with a few other options outline that were never going to be consider.

Weather its a merge or takeover the €8m should be provided for the running of the NSO to the NCH, not a case of €8m being given for a year long take over for an accountancy firm.

Also will the NCH be taking on any of RTÉ's debt?

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Many of those who would normally advertise don't have any major revenue coming in.
So they can't pay for adverts since.

RTE can't air adverts if they don't have em.

They usually have plenty of RTE show promotions they put on during ad slots, is there only so many of them they are allowed show an hour?

They pay for advertising on broadcast tv and they pay for advertising on streaming - simples

rdwight wrote: »

Are you say that because ads on streamed content are paid for separately then RTE sell less of them? Why would that be the case? There might be advantages to advertising on streamed content (e.g. better targetting) Anyway, if advertisers aren't as keen surely RTE could adjust pricing models to attract ads.

I assume you are talking about live tv schedules.

So for example if I decide to set up my monitor to watch RTÉ ONE, 2, VM ONE, VM TWO, VM THREE and TG4 live the ads during live broadcast get the following screens.

I think VM seem to be adding Player ads separate to the programmes, but the question remains why can't their live broadcast ads play?

I heard it was down to clearance issues.

Ishma_1963 wrote: »

I think scrapping TG4 would be awful. And let's see these orchestras put to better use.

NSO is moving to NCH in 2021. NCO remains with RTÉ, and trust me as soon as they get more money RTÉ will stop pimping the NCO out as much as they have in the past few years.

rdwight wrote: »

Any answers please?

I don't think I have watch C4 live stream online (I don't think its available on the Irish Version of All4). In any case it could be similar to Virgin Media were the block of broadcast TV ads are replaced by online ads, I'd watch Virgin Media TV again for you but... I just can't sorry, sitting in front of 5 ads before the live version of muck TV comes on would kill me.

Both RTÉ and TG4 don't swap out the ads instead they put that screen up, however if you stream a show from either you will get a few ads mid-stream but not the FAN LINN/HOLDER SCREEN screen as posted above.

At least I have never seen it on anything I have stream on either player, except for live broadcast streams.

And I believe the reason is copyright!

rdwight wrote: »

I don't understand what copyright issue are invvovled. Programme content is more likely to be subject to copyright than advertisements surely?

Could be and very likely the music - licenced for broadcast on tv but not the web

As for the advertising time - maybe the advertisers are targetting the C4 demographic (we all know what the RTE demographic is...)

We must boycott The Late Late Toy Show.

Week after week since March The Late Late Toy Show has been mentioned. Toy man tubs has pimped out this show to the n'th degree. As if the world would come to an end if it didn't air.

Please, please ask your friends, your families, your collueges to boycott TLLTS.

Go further and beg them to stop watching TLLS.

I don't get the infatuation, one reported said this week on calling for the show to be put on a break.

I say this as a long-time viewer of the show, who has a patriotic affection for it as a national institution. I don't buy into the reflexive sneering and jeering: I'm proud we have the longest-running chat show in the world. It's part of us.

It's just a TV show and not a very good one.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/time-for-rte-to-press-the-off-switch-on-the-late-late-show-39634464.html

Tubridy announcing the 'Toy show will definitely go ahead' is very, very arrogant.

He can't predict that.

It would be absolutely hilarious if it was cancelled.

During the worst of the virus early on RTE had hardly any ads on radio and tv bar ads for their own shows
Other stations seemed to have plenty so likely the cost