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The Prehistoric Amphibian and Early Tetrapod Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Adam Khor wrote: »
    Two Chinese Jurassic salamanders- Jeholotriton and Chunerpeton- were studied and found to have stomach contents preserved; Jeholotriton seemingly fed on a crustacean known as Euestheria luanpingensis, particularly juveniles, whereas Chunerpeton prefered insects, particularly true bugs (Hemiptera) of the Yanliacorixa genus. This means that, although the two salamanders lived together, they didn´t compete for food; a third salamander species, Liaoxitriton, was land-dwelling, so it didn´t compete with the others either.
    No data though as to what Liaoxitriton was eating.

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    Speaking of which- there is no harm in studying the last meal of fossil salamanders, but I'm really pissed at the retarded scientist who recently murdered 50 tiger sharks just to look at their stomach contents. Why is that any less terrible than murdering whales "for research"? :mad:



    100% agree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-03-salamander-china-oldest-kind.html
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    They were very small- ironic if we consider that the largest salamander today lives in China.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Oh Liaoning province, is there anything you can't do?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭puzzle factory


    that looks like a girl on my face book thing, when she has her fake tan on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Not only Eryops but many early amphibians and tetrapods.

    http://news.discovery.com/animals/tetrapods-body-armor-120424.html
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Adam Khor wrote: »
    Not only Eryops but many early amphibians and tetrapods.

    http://news.discovery.com/animals/tetrapods-body-armor-120424.html
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    Thanks Adam thats a brilliant piece of biochemistry and palaeontology! I love stuff that deals with chemical adaptations.

    Whats interesting to me is waste also! (Who isnt interested in waste!) Fish excrete ammonia as waste. They can do this because their in water which dilutes the ammonia. We cant do it as were not constantly surrounded by water and storing and excreting pure ammonia isnt a great idea. So that must have been another big difficulty when it came to living on land!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    They were left by a salamander-like amphibian measuring only 8 mms

    http://www.sci-news.com/paleontology/article00581.html

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    8mm, is that smaller than the smallest living reptiles (a type of chameleon if I'm not mistaken)?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Galvasean wrote: »
    8mm, is that smaller than the smallest living reptiles (a type of chameleon if I'm not mistaken)?

    Yes, about half smaller, although they do believe the amphibian was a juvenile just emerged from the water...

    Smallest lizards (geckos and chameleons) today are about 16 mms long:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    They had strong legs to walk on land, a very keen sense of smell and powerful jaws (more so than modern day giant salamanders).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/01/giant-salamander-ancestor-land-limbs-study_n_1929224.html?utm_hp_ref=green&ir=Green
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    These new Aviturus sound like nasty pieces of work. Must ad salamanders to the list of things that were much worse back in the day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    Must be coincidence but I was watching TV earlier with giant salamanders on it and they looked remarkably like that in skull shape.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Yep, they haven´t changed much apparently:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Referred to as 'living fossils' in the time of the dinosaurs if that doesn't make you feel old...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Referred to as 'living fossils' in the time of the dinosaurs if that doesn't make you feel old...

    I am old LOL

    BUT not that old :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    As in, the frog ate the salamander, then died and was somehow buried and fossilized with its intact prey inside.

    The fossil dates from the early Cretaceous.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-44247-7

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Frog from the Triassic discovered in Arizona.

    It is the oldest known frog in North America:

    https://vtnews.vt.edu/articles/2019/02/Science-Chinle_frog_fossil_northamerica.html

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Not as much as often suggested, apparently.

    https://bryangee.weebly.com/blog/on-temnos-and-toilets

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Infernovenator, a serpentine, burrowing tetrapod from the Carboniferous (over 307 million years ago):

    https://academic.oup.com/zoolinnean/article-abstract/187/2/506/5511658?redirectedFrom=fulltext


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Egoria, a new Jurassic amphibian from Siberia:

    https://phys.org/news/2020-02-palaeontologists-jurassic-amphibian.html

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Very rare find; a Miocene tadpole with soft tissue impressions discovered in Spain.

    Article is in Spanish:

    https://www.ecoticias.com/naturaleza/199807/insolita-conservacion-fosil-renacuajo-revela-causas-muerte

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    At a site near the Tresjuncos, Cuenca locality from the upper Miocene (from about 6-7 million years ago) a fossil tadpole about 16 cm long was found surprisingly well preserved (...)

    Fossils of larval anurans are very hard to find (...) this specimen amazingly preserves details of the animal's soft body parts, also a very rare occurence.

    The fossil belongs to a yet to be identified species of the genus Pelobates, which includes today's spadefoot toad Pelobates cultripes.


    The larva was in an advanced development stage and its large size suggests it was living in an optimal environment. This indicates it was healthy and strong at the moment of death. (...) Some marks found in the fossil (...) resemble the hematomas left on tadpoles by stabbing by the beaks of birds such as egrets, which would suggest this as a possible cause of death.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Many thanks to board user MeteoritesEire for sharing the link to this e-book, made available for free by the John Hopkins University Press! Each chapter can be individually downloaded as a PDF.

    The Rise of Reptiles: 320 Million Years of Evolution

    Hans-Dieter Sues, 2019

    https://muse.jhu.edu/book/67468


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    29 million year old frog fossils from Puerto Rico are oldest in the Caribbean region:

    https://aawsat.com/english/home/article/2226341/29-million-year-old-coquí-fossil-discovered-puerto-rico
    David Blackburn, Florida Museum curator of herpetology and the study's lead author, said: "It's a national treasure. Not only is this the oldest evidence for a frog in the Caribbean, it also happens to be one of the frogs that are the pride of Puerto Rico and related to the large family Eleutherodactylidae, which includes Florida's invasive greenhouse frogs."

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    First fossil frog known from Antarctica:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-61973-5#Sec2

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    The frog lived during the Eocene, when Antarctica was still covered in forests, and it was rather small at around 4-5 cm long. However, it was related to Calyptocephalella , a still extant genus of frogs that once included the largest frog known from the fossil record (an Eocene species that could reach one meter long with legs outstretched and weigh up to 6 kg).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    PBS Eons video on Beelzebufo. They mistakenly call it the largest frog to ever live, even though the Eocene Chilean frog Calyptocephalella was even larger.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nCPbPPrQxQ

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    New species of frog found in 60 million year old bird "vomit":

    https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/ciencia-y-salud/fosil-una-rana-quedo-atrapada-en-regurgitacion-hace-60-millones-de-anos

    Article is in Spanish.
    In 2002, at the Chubut province of Punta Peligro (Argentina), paleontologist Guillermo Rougier found fossil remains of a frog preserved in an uncommon structure. The bones were not so much articulated or disarticulated, but strangely tangled (...)

    Now, 18 years after the find, Paula Muzzopappa, researcher for Conicet at the Center for Natural, Environmental and Anthropological Sciences of the Maimónides University, along with other two scientists, provided further information.

    Through a tomography it was possible to analyze the strange structure without taking it apart (...).

    "I could not figure out why the frog was preserved in such a strange manner. Then along came Agustín Martinelli, researcher for Conicet at the Argentinian Museum of Natural Sciences, who understood that the fossil we were studying was actually a bird pellet.

    This "vomit" is really a ball of remains of undigested food, regurgitated by a bird. Although it is frequent, for example, for owls to regurgitate the harder parts of prey such as bones, fur, wings or insect cuticles, it is uncommon for these pellets to fossilize and even more to be found preserved three-dimensionally as in this case. Pellets even older than this one, however, from the Mesozoic even, have been discovered.

    Certain characteristics of the fossil such as shape and the wear pattern of the bones inside it have allowed us to determine that it was produced by a bird of prey. Although it was expected that raptors inhabited the region 60 million years ago, there haven´t been skeletal remains to confirm it, so this is indirect evidence of their presence.

    The study of the bones concluded that this frog belonged to a species unknown until know, related to today's large Chilean frog Calyptocephalella gayi, which today exists only in lakes in central Chile. The new species has been named Calyptocephalella sabrosa ("sabrosa" meaning tasty seeing as it was the tasty meal for another animal).

    Family Calyptocephalellidae has been present in the Patagonian region since the late Mesozoic, and after surviving the catastrophe that wiped out the (non-avian) dinosaurs, it became especially abundant in the Cenozoic faunas. But around 15 million years, this frog family became extinct in Argentina and survived only in Chile, represented by a few species in genus Telmatobufo and by Calyptocephalella gayi, the last of its genus.

    All the elements of the skeleton we found are consistent with the hypothesis that this was one single individual and that the bird pellet contains remains of only one frog."

    Muzzopappa estimates that the frog was around 15 cm long, around the size of the Chilean frog today, and that it had a highly ossified skull and robust body. As for the lifestyle, it must have been similar to C. gayi, "which lives in lakes and comes out only to hunt and eat. They are hyper voracious, they will eat anything they find."

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Oldest tetrapod footprints found on fallen boulder at the Grand Canyon:

    https://gizmodo.com/fallen-boulder-at-the-grand-canyon-exposes-300-million-1844830623

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Oldest "slingshot" tongue in the fossil record?

    The albanerpetontids were a group of amphibians separate from the ones we have today- anurans, caudates and caecilians. Their lifestyle was a mystery until now, that the tridimensionally preserved skull of one has been found in Burmese amber, showing they apparently were convergent with chameleons, being arboreal and having a "ballistic feeding" mechanism.

    This new species has been named Yaksha perettii. In life it probably would've looked rather lizard-like, complete with scales and claws, unlike modern amphibians. It lived during the mid Cretaceous period.

    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/370/6517/687

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