FARMERS STRIKE Monday July 29th

cute geoge · 28-07-2019 5:02pm #1

Beef Plan Movement call for farmers to have a pyjama day tomorrow .Hopefully we will all support this novel idea at short notice
https://www.farmersjournal.ie/beef-plan-movement-calls-for-boycott-482204

Dunedin · 28-07-2019 5:45pm

cute geoge wrote: »

Beef Plan Movement call for farmers to have a pyjama day tomorrow .Hopefully we will all support this novel idea at short notice
https://www.farmersjournal.ie/beef-plan-movement-calls-for-boycott-482204

Hate to knock any attempt at trying to improve a depressing market but will this not be a case of ‘I’ll sell Tuesday instead’. Twill hardly affect the factories too much.

Cavanjack · 28-07-2019 9:15pm

Dunedin wrote: »

Hate to knock any attempt at trying to improve a depressing market but will this not be a case of ‘I’ll sell Tuesday instead’. Twill hardly affect the factories too much.

No won’t affect beef price as the eu seems to be flooded with beef but it will do no harm to keep the pressure on the government regarding brexit and mercosur.

Keepgrowing · 29-07-2019 7:44am

Beef Plan made some big promises when they were travelling around the marts last spring. Purchasing group, contract prices in fact the list ran to 80 or more promises. It’s very hard to take them seriously when they think allowing Fitzmaurice TD free reign is the way to garner support.

What have they delivered?

yewtree · 29-07-2019 9:46am

I lost all respect from them when they protested outside the opening of the Aurivo drier last week. Shouting personal abuse at people. They seem more interested in pulling stunts than achieving anything. For all their talk they havent delivered a single thing.

PMU · 29-07-2019 12:02pm

did they abuse someone other than the minister.

Willfarman · 29-07-2019 12:34pm

And he’s an intelligent descant enough bloke in my view. This protest should be targeting Irish processers and Irish and uk supermarkets. Steak and wine sales beside pop up posters depicting happy bord bia approved producers. There a thread on boards called “ the steak thread”. Go have a look a the sheer belligerence of consumers.

Box09 · 29-07-2019 2:02pm

Willfarman wrote:

And heâ€™s an intelligent descant enough bloke in my view. This protest should be targeting Irish processers and Irish and uk supermarkets. Steak and wine sales beside pop up posters depicting happy bord bia approved producers. There a thread on boards called â€œ the steak threadâ€. Go have a look a the sheer belligerence of consumers.

Real descent bloke destroying agriculture in ireland

White Clover · 29-07-2019 2:24pm

Box09 wrote: »

Real descent bloke destroying agriculture in ireland

The problem in my view is government and European policy acting against the viability and sustainability of rural ireland, not just agriculture.

endainoz · 29-07-2019 2:38pm

Keepgrowing wrote:

Beef Plan made some big promises when they were travelling around the marts last spring. Purchasing group, contract prices in fact the list ran to 80 or more promises. Itâ€™s very hard to take them seriously when they think allowing Fitzmaurice TD free reign is the way to garner support.

Agreed, the Facebook group has been overtaken by failed TDs and idiots who spread total misinformation and know nothing about the science involved. I called one of said failed TDs out on their bullsh1t over the weekend, needless to say they didn't reply.

It's more of a loud minority talking crap though and the admins could do with stopping it before it gets any worse or most of the moderate people like myself will be leave as I have done with a lot of these farming groups because of all the whinging and negativity, it's bloody draining at times!

Keepgrowing wrote:

What have they delivered?

I do believe in what they want to do but I agree they have done very little in terms of achieving anything. If people heed the instructions today, at least it's a start.

older by the day · 29-07-2019 2:51pm

yewtree wrote: »

I lost all respect from them when they protested outside the opening of the Aurivo drier last week. Shouting personal abuse at people. They seem more interested in pulling stunts than achieving anything. For all their talk they havent delivered a single thing.

Let's all run after the ministers and tds. And shake there hands as they sell out rural Ireland one day at a time. Pile on abuse and insults every time you see one and don't be smiling at them and moaning to your neighbour as soon as they have gone. Bless there cotton socks, I hope the ministers weren't offended. As they get back in to there mercs.

wrangler · 29-07-2019 3:56pm

older by the day wrote: »

Let's all run after the ministers and tds. And shake there hands as they sell out rural Ireland one day at a time. Pile on abuse and insults every time you see one and don't be smiling at them and moaning to your neighbour as soon as they have gone. Bless there cotton socks, I hope the ministers weren't offended. As they get back in to there mercs.

What can they do, prices are on the floor all across Europe,beef is going the same way as wool.
Farmers are soft sellers , that's the beginning and the end of the problem, There's nothing to stop processors from buying at €3/kg next week.
How can we expect the government to run our business when the public service make a balls of everything they're involved in, Someone on radio this morning was suggesting we nationaalise agri industries to make them behave as regards climate change....you couldn't make it up

wrangler · 29-07-2019 6:03pm

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Beef Plan made some big promises when they were travelling around the marts last spring. Purchasing group, contract prices in fact the list ran to 80 or more promises. It’s very hard to take them seriously when they think allowing Fitzmaurice TD free reign is the way to garner support.

What have they delivered?

Nothing, They're going round like headless chickens now when it's too late,

There's guys in IFA well sick of protesting , while these guys that probably never did it before think it's the biz

kk.man · 29-07-2019 6:56pm

wrangler wrote: »

Nothing, They're going round like headless chickens now when it's too late,

There's guys in IFA well sick of protesting , while these guys that probably never did it before think it's the biz

What you say is correct Wrangler and ppl who worked genuinely in the IFA should be thanked. The IFA took their eye off the ball and left a bad taste it can also be argued.
Precisely this is no time for argument we need to stand United and strong. Beef is gone d own the tubes and very little has been done to effectively highlight it.
All farm organisations should come together and park their differences.
We should be fighting for intervention. The diary guys got it a few years back so should we.
We are simply at nothing giving out about the factories and supermarkets because the hide under the guise of market forces which underpins the EU model.
In times like this I see merit in the French yellow vests.

older by the day · 29-07-2019 7:02pm

wrangler wrote: »

What can they do, prices are on the floor all across Europe,beef is going the same way as wool.
Farmers are soft sellers , that's the beginning and the end of the problem, There's nothing to stop processors from buying at €3/kg next week.
How can we expect the government to run our business when the public service make a balls of everything they're involved in, Someone on radio this morning was suggesting we nationaalise agri industries to make them behave as regards climate change....you couldn't make it up

No harm to voice our anger either. And it's at local events that really hurts the politicians. Waste of time to be protesting in Dublin. It's in there own constituency Where they need the normal guys vote. That's where it hurts.

wrangler · 29-07-2019 7:40pm

kk.man wrote: »

What you say is correct Wrangler and ppl who worked genuinely in the IFA should be thanked. The IFA took their eye off the ball and left a bad taste it can also be argued.
Precisely this is no time for argument we need to stand United and strong. Beef is gone d own the tubes and very little has been done to effectively highlight it.
All farm organisations should come together and park their differences.
We should be fighting for intervention. The diary guys got it a few years back so should we.
We are simply at nothing giving out about the factories and supermarkets because the hide under the guise of market forces which underpins the EU model.
In times like this I see merit in the French yellow vests.

We've no political clout now and very little sympathy from the public either.
Beef plan only got about ten seconds on the 9 OC news the evening of their big protest, such is the importance of farming.
There will be no help from the government apart from a few schemes,, processors won't raise prices while there's plenty stock coming through the gates. and they definitely won't raise them when farmers are at the gates.
French aren't getting better prices than us despite all the huffing and puffing over there, you see the french poster on here envying us our subsidies.
We're really authors of our own misfortune, If calves got a sub of €100 the price of dairy calves would go up €120, Calves are at least €100+ too dear and beef plan are in a huff because they can't move the animal around the country any more than four times, at €40 a movement that's €160 Imagine what the besf price would be if processors wasted their money like that.
Beef plan are the same as he politicians, they promised more than they can deliver

Hard Knocks · 29-07-2019 10:36pm

Had 2 lots booked for tonight & decided to support the buycott.
I do agree with Beef plan that farmers aren’t respected whether be factory, mart co-op contractor etc
Fall out with one farmer there’s others to take their place attitude
Reminds me of the pre building boom
Passed Mart tonight, didn’t look to be any reduction in numbers

SEPT 23 1989 · 29-07-2019 10:41pm

City slicker here

You lads need to take a leaf out of the French boys book

Up to Dublin and cause mayhem

Only way you will be listened to

older by the day · 29-07-2019 11:20pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

City slicker here

You lads need to take a leaf out of the French boys book

Up to Dublin and cause mayhem

Only way you will be listened to

That's a waste of time. The Dublin TDs laughing in side the dail window looking out at a few hundred wet ould fellows. Macroom Mart is on a Saturday. When it's finished if 50 vocal people went outside creeds office and shame him , in front of his own people. Same to any other government tds.

cute geoge · 29-07-2019 11:21pm

older by the day wrote: »

No harm to voice our anger either. And it's at local events that really hurts the politicians. Waste of time to be protesting in Dublin. It's in there own constituency Where they need the normal guys vote. That's where it hurts.

The protest seems to be going according to plan anyway ,farmers should not be under too much pressure to hold back cattle for a couple of weeks with grass growing over the ditch . It just might stop the slide in prices .If it just achieves that surely it is worthwhile

K.G. · 29-07-2019 11:29pm

Oh dear god after the roaring about marketing and increasing branding of grass fed beef they are running a sitin.the beef game is f##ked, end of story

cute geoge · 29-07-2019 11:30pm

older by the day wrote: »

That's a waste of time. The Dublin TDs laughing in side the dail window looking out at a few hundred wet ould fellows. Macroom Mart is on a Saturday. When it's finished if 50 vocal people went outside creeds office and shame him , in front of his own people. Same to any other government tds.

Before the last election ,I remember a small number of local turf cutters mounted a protest every saturday in listowel after jimmy Denihan junior minister brought in the turf cutting ban and it made sure he was not re elected in one of the few constituencies FG lost a seat .So that idea above would not be to FG liking

cute geoge · 29-07-2019 11:31pm

K.G. wrote: »

Oh dear god after the roaring about marketing and increasing branding of grass fed beef they are running a sitin.the beef game is f##ked, end of story

Fuk off to bed you!!

Robson99 · 30-07-2019 6:50am

older by the day wrote: »

No harm to voice our anger either. And it's at local events that really hurts the politicians. Waste of time to be protesting in Dublin. It's in there own constituency Where they need the normal guys vote. That's where it hurts.

Exactly. Its local politics that will hurt them. Get after your local Fine Gale TDs and tell them they will not be getting any vote when the elections come up.
However I also think its no harm targeting Creed as well. A complete Muppet and yes man for our Dublin /Urban Government. Its not looking a yard outside the M50
And we worry about Boris Johnson who couldn't give a rats ass about anything outside the London M1. Agriculture is really tucked with the taepots of leaders in UK and Here

lab man · 30-07-2019 7:04am

cattle going into kepak yesterday at ballyea co Clare haven't seen trucks going in there in a good while

Pidae.m · 30-07-2019 7:13am

They were blocking trucks in Bandon. One chap stayed a good while and had to get a garda escort in.
How many more days?

Gawddawggonnit · 30-07-2019 7:36am

No point going to Leinster House/Kildare St. screaming for something to be done. What can they do, fire out even more free money?The Irish Gov are absolutely fantastic at supporting Irish agriculture and should be commended, as should the IFA (etc).
{Q; How many EU countries do you see where the farming unions/lobbyists are at every photo op standing beside their Min of Ag?}

The argument needs to be taken to Bruxelles. Only Bruxelles can sort this. Intervention,imho, is the only way to support beef throughout Europe. Dairy got it so why not beef? The €100mln would only account for one ski holiday...how many ski holidays did dairy get, along with intervention?!!

The IFA (etc) and Creed need to go Bruxelles immediately and highlight the issue. There would be a lot more support coming from other member states because this issue is a European issue. A co-ordinated Eu wide solution is needed.
If intervention isn’t offered to beef right now, it’ll never become available for beef. The dairy boys know, deep down, if the proverbial hits the fan again, they’ll get bailed out...again. Why not beef??

Think bigger. Think outside the box. Think EUROPE.

wrangler · 30-07-2019 7:45am

How many on here are actually helping organise or even attending, a picture at Kilbeggan yesterday had only 3 at it. Plus the photographer I suppose.
Even the blockade in 2001(or whenever) took a week before there was reasonable support, too many saying ''on ya boy we're right behind ya''.
This has to be a proper blockade this time or forget it. it won't happen at present numbers.

wrangler · 30-07-2019 7:48am

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

No point going to Leinster House/Kildare St. screaming for something to be done. What can they do, fire out even more free money?The Irish Gov are absolutely fantastic at supporting Irish agriculture and should be commended, as should the IFA (etc).
{Q; How many EU countries do you see where the farming unions/lobbyists are at every photo op standing beside their Min of Ag?}

The argument needs to be taken to Bruxelles. Only Bruxelles can sort this. Intervention,imho, is the only way to support beef throughout Europe. Dairy got it so why not beef? The €100mln would only account for one ski holiday...how many ski holidays did dairy get, along with intervention?!!

The IFA (etc) and Creed need to go Bruxelles immediately and highlight the issue. There would be a lot more support coming from other member states because this issue is a European issue. A co-ordinated Eu wide solution is needed.
If intervention isn’t offered to beef right now, it’ll never become available for beef. The dairy boys know, deep down, if the proverbial hits the fan again, they’ll get bailed out...again. Why not beef??

Think bigger. Think outside the box. Think EUROPE.

When they see that the saddos accuse us of being in cahoots with the Government.......they must expect us to lobby by text.
You couldn't make it up sometimes

blue5000 · 30-07-2019 4:32pm

I over-optimistically went looking in the post box for last weeks cattle cheque. Instead there was a blurb from supervalue telling me they have a steak sale with 33% off.

I think beefplan would be better off protesting there instead of at factory gates, it might help consumers realize who is really paying for their cheap beef.

kk.man · 30-07-2019 4:40pm

blue5000 wrote: »

I over-optimistically went looking in the post box for last weeks cattle cheque. Instead there was a blurb from supervalue telling me they have a steak sale with 33% off.

I think beefplan would be better off protesting there instead of at factory gates, it might help consumers realize who is really paying for their cheap beef.

Totally agree!
However even at 33% off see what they are charging verses what the farmer got. This must be convied to the shoppers. In the nineties meat was a lost leader for the supermarkets now it's a pneumonia profit maker.

The factories sold their margin down the drain. The all pay the same price to the farmer and yet undercut to the point of below the cost of production to the supermarkets. Then they give out when the fifth quarter falls in value. They will get their come upns yet.

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