Should we be wary of celebrating the moon landings given it was white and male?

JupiterKid wrote: »

This whole "identity politics" shenanigans is just going way too far and I would agree with the sentiments expressed by a couple of posters that a disquieting proportion the younger generation in the West seem to be lacking basic life skills - like cooking for themselves, for instsnce (look at how food delivery outfits like JustEat and Deliveroo are absolutely booming) or, jump starting a car engine or changing a lightbulb.

Things were very different back in 1969 - but so what if it was only 12 white American men who walked on the Moon? It really doesn't take away from what is an an incredible achievement in human endeavour.

One day there will be men on the Moon again and women too, black, white, yellow, gay, etc and also on Mars - and this whole identity politics farce will hopefully be consigned to the dustbin of history.

Who ever went around saying "what an achievement for white men"? What a load of horse**** - if they were black, female and gay it wouldn't matter a jot to me or anyone else. It's a great achievement for humanity.

It's only these journos bringing up this ****e.

On a side note wouldn't it be absolutely wonderful for this generation to have that same experience of looking up at the moon and thinking that there are human beings walking on that right now? I don't give a fcuk if they are gay, straight, black, brown, white, female....

I would love us to have the same experience as they did back then - I think it would be inspirational.

They should do an article on how all American presidents up to 2009 were white males.

suicide_circus wrote: »

Ethnomasochism
noun
(politics, derogatory) Self-loathing on the grounds of one's own race

Or how to keep pushing your agenda by piggybacking on anything you can link it to.

The only way to make this shite go away is to STOP CLICKING ON RUBBISH THAT YOU KNOW WILL OUTRAGE YOU.

Humanity needs a reboot. I think it’s time for a nuclear war or some deadly virus to wipe out 90% of us…

If I had the means and the way(which I don’t) I’d release that virus ala 12 monkeys…

Wibbs wrote: »

Well they're American news outlets and beyond the clickbait aspect, which in many ways is a symptom of where western society is going rather than a cause, America is a culture increasingly unsure of itself. The whole Apollo project reflects the turning point where it happened.

When Kennedy pulled the whole let's go to the moon, America was very sure of herself. There were concerns among many at the cost what with poverty and Vietnam going on, but they were in the end confident that they could do it and they did and when they did it was the high watermark of 20th century America.

But at that peak from Apollo 11 to 17 Vietnam went to hell, the oil crisis was rumbling, civil rights marches, Nixon and the government itself shook and looked rotten to the core. After that it didn't look so shiny and trust in "big" government went south in a big way.

Fast forward to a generation or so later and even more public issues within America and a drop in education standards and the interwebs and you have BS like these articles. If you ever hang out in US based forums and the like it's scary how many of them are cock sure they didn't go to the moon(never mind their cultural paranoia in general much of it along identity politics lines). It just doesn't compute for them. They want to believe in their lack of trust more than reality, hell, even the hope that they did something like that.

The big problem for the rest of us in the west is that the Americans are exporting this nonsense through the internet and too bloody many are happily importing it.

it's like watching a beloved relation deteriorate mentally. sad.

Wibbs wrote: »

Well they're American news outlets and beyond the clickbait aspect, which in many ways is a symptom of where western society is going rather than a cause, America is a culture increasingly unsure of itself. The whole Apollo project reflects the turning point where it happened.

When Kennedy pulled the whole let's go to the moon, America was very sure of herself. There were concerns among many at the cost what with poverty and Vietnam going on, but they were in the end confident that they could do it and they did and when they did it was the high watermark of 20th century America.

But at that peak from Apollo 11 to 17 Vietnam went to hell, the oil crisis was rumbling, civil rights marches, Nixon and the government itself shook and looked rotten to the core. After that it didn't look so shiny and trust in "big" government went south in a big way.

Fast forward to a generation or so later and even more public issues within America and a drop in education standards and the interwebs and you have BS like these articles. If you ever hang out in US based forums and the like it's scary how many of them are cock sure they didn't go to the moon(never mind their cultural paranoia in general much of it along identity politics lines). It just doesn't compute for them. They want to believe in their lack of trust more than reality, hell, even the hope that they did something like that.

The big problem for the rest of us in the west is that the Americans are exporting this nonsense through the internet and too bloody many are happily importing it.

We live in the same world now as we did then and the world is more or less the same as it was then with one major difference. This post is probably even an example of it , The internet has held a microphone up to everybodys mouth, resulting in the loony's voices now being heard, they were always there it's just that nobody paid any attention to them. People were able to decipher news from dross, but not any more, now they are all being presented the same with the result that peoples attention is being held by the white noise of nonsense.

America needs a new focus, something worthwhile, something for the world to focus on, to get behind. It's a shame we don't have a second moon, maybe we could make one.......

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A generation of panzies that couldn't wire a plug or cook a meal or go 5 minutes without their phone or understand how to cope with rejection would make you dispair alright.

Nonsense tbh. Rose tinted glasses.

I bet your father believed your generation were pansies with no life skills.

I bet the parents of those who died in Normandy all believed their kids were being brought up soft and with no life skills.

Every generation thinks the next one is ridiculous, aimless and ruining society. Then they become the 50+ generation, realise they've been left behind and that they're the ones lacking critical modern life skills, not the other way around.

seamus wrote: »

Nonsense tbh. Rose tinted glasses.I bet your father believed your generation were pansies with no life skills.
I bet the parents of those who died in Normandy all believed their kids were being brought up soft and with no life skills.Every generation thinks the next one is ridiculous, aimless and ruining society. Then they become the 50+ generation, realise they've been left behind and that they're the ones lacking critical modern life skills, not the other way around.

Or the alternative is that we really are now in the age of online idiots ...

Danzy wrote: »

The modern Left and progressive movements are also self obsessed and a bit lazy. Liking a cause but not difficult hours activism


Identity politics was a way of making oneself the focus of the struggle, rather than those scabbie proles in their terraced houses with their wrong views, **** em.

There are a lot of people in the Left who dislike the working-class, vehemently.

This has fuck all to do with "the left".

And everything to do with monetising internet clicks on silly articles that fools press the button on so they can steam about how crazy the world is.

If anything, it shows how shitty American politics can pollute the minds of everyone far from its shores.

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

We live in the same world now as we did then and the world is more or less the same as it was then with one major difference. This post is probably even an example of it , The internet has held a microphone up to everybodys mouth, resulting in the loony's voices now being heard, they were always there it's just that nobody paid any attention to them. People were able to decipher news from dross, but not any more, now they are all being presented the same with the result that peoples attention is being held by the white noise of nonsense.

Not only that, but the internet has given everyone with the most batshit crazy ideas the impression that they are not alone in their thoughts. Disparate groups that held weird ideas can now talk to each other via the web, when before they didn't even know each other existed. It's also a wonderful recruiting tool too.

I remember seeing David Icke on 'Wogan' years ago and thinking that the snooker commentator guy had lost his marbles. It was only with the advent of the web that I encountered him again and found that the was still going. Not only that, he now has 100,000's of followers (if not millions, I hope it's not millions) and they can all congregate on the net.

But, it's not like these nuts didn't exist in the 60's or 70's either. Remember, Kaysing wrote his book on the moon landing hoax in the early 70's and it was a bestseller. The 'Flat Earth Society' has been going in its present form for decades! And anti vaxxers have been around as long as vaccines have.

If there's one thing that prevalent in the rise of numbers of these fucking ejits, it's the internet.

In saying all of that, I wouldn't change the web as a platform for the exchange of free ideas and information one iota. Because it is still a great resource, and I would hate to see that become controlled, because of a minority (a really tiny one at that) uses it to further their various mad ideas.

I feel as if the prism of Identity Politics is used as a frame for everything in the US since Trump got elected. Democrats are too willing to indulge these people too.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A generation of panzies that couldn't wire a plug or cook a meal or go 5 minutes without their phone or understand how to cope with rejection would make you dispair alright.

seamus wrote: »

Nonsense tbh. Rose tinted glasses.

I bet your father believed your generation were pansies with no life skills.

I bet the parents of those who died in Normandy all believed their kids were being brought up soft and with no life skills.

Every generation thinks the next one is ridiculous, aimless and ruining society. Then they become the 50+ generation, realise they've been left behind and that they're the ones lacking critical modern life skills, not the other way around.

Aye, there's a lot to this that's correct.

Every generation thinks that the current one are a bunch of cretins, unable to do what they had to do. It's nearly always universally wrong as well.

Thing is though, the millennial generation and beyond have been brought up with the ability to find out anything they wish through the resource of the web. So, technically, they should be able to handle themselves very well indeed, with regards to changing a lightbulb or laying a floor or cooking a meal and whatnot. These were skills that Gen X and before had to learn from somebody, who would have to give them their time and knowledge. Today, one can look up anything they wish to learn in a matter of minutes and study it to a greater degree than ever before. The ability to find the answer to any question now is so easy, it's almost silly.

It's funny though. My folks were two generations above when they had me in their mid 40's and they hadn't a clue how to deal with me, so they just took a hands off approach for the most part. I sure my dad thought the world was falling apart when I grew my hair down to my arse and he heard the soothing strains of Napalm Death emanating from my room. But, I never got too much hassle about it. While my mates we getting the same music taken off of them, thrown in the bin and being accused of being on drugs by their parents who had them in their 20's/30's.

If there's a problem, however, with the "internet generations", it's their proclivity to think that they know it all, after reading a wiki page, and they can possess the most arrogant stances on everything. Every generation thinks that it's correct and the last one fucked things up, but there is a truly lamentable degree to which this happens nowadays. I see it in work all the time too. You get these college grads in, full of themselves on the back of some "masters" they just paid for (or their parents) and they think they have the answer to everything, yet they struggle at every hurdle a project throws up at them because they have zero practical knowledge and experience and for some of them it can be a real ordeal indeed.

robman60 wrote: »

I feel as if the prism of Identity Politics is used as a frame for everything in the US since Trump got elected. Democrats are too willing to indulge these people too.

It's been building for the last decade.