Batwoman - The CW Spoilers

silverharp · 11-09-2019 9:19am

At least the reaction channels will make money and will probably be more entertaining.

JP Liz V1 · 02-10-2019 9:44pm

Gabriel Mann as Hush (Tommy), Rachel Matthews as Magpie and Rachel Skarsten as Alice

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EoinMcLovin · 02-10-2019 10:05pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Gabriel Mann as Hush (Tommy), Rachel Matthews as Magpie and Rachel Skarsten as Alice

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Skarsten was announced ages ago as she is playing the seasons big bad. Plus she played Dinah Lance in Birds of Prey

is_that_so · 02-10-2019 10:12pm

silverharp wrote: »

this show is going to get some amount of hate watching at the start, if it was the plan its a dumb plan

The initial introduction to the character was not good by any standards and the lead is one appalling actress. That does not bode well for what people expect. At the very least you can blame the producers!

CastorTroy · 02-10-2019 10:32pm

EoinMcLovin wrote: »

Skarsten was announced ages ago as she is playing the seasons big bad. Plus she played Dinah Lance in Birds of Prey

They haven't said it, but wonder if that means we'll get BoP Canary in Crisis

EoinMcLovin · 02-10-2019 11:38pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

They haven't said it, but wonder if that means we'll get BoP Canary in Crisis

You never know but I doubt it since they already got huntress from the show and she was a bigger character.

EoinMcLovin · 03-10-2019 7:00am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UajKZHBjukY

CastorTroy · 03-10-2019 11:05am

EoinMcLovin wrote: »

You never know but I doubt it since they already got huntress from the show and she was a bigger character.

It's because they got huntress that I thought it a possibility if they're acknowledging the show.
But it's probably better not to do it if they're building her as the villain of this show. It's okay for the existing series where the characters are all established, but could be confusing for some viewers if Alice is suddenly a good guy a few episodes after being introduced

pixelburp · 03-10-2019 11:09am

That promotion had me more intrigued 'til that last moment with the cringy "That's the point" comeback. They're really going to lay this one on thick.

Question, as I don't know the source material that well; is the Big Bad, with the goons in rabbit masks, based on any comicbook villain? She's giving off slight Joker-not-Joker vibes...

Penn · 03-10-2019 11:17am

pixelburp wrote: »

That promotion had me more intrigued 'til that last moment with the cringy "That's the point" comeback. They're really going to lay this one on thick.

Question, as I don't know the source material that well; is the Big Bad, with the goons in rabbit masks, based on any comicbook villain? She's giving off slight Joker-not-Joker vibes...

Could be tied to the Mad Hatter (references to Alice in Wonderland, follow the White Rabbit). Uses hypnosis by putting certain headwear on people.

EoinMcLovin · 03-10-2019 12:33pm

pixelburp wrote: »

That promotion had me more intrigued 'til that last moment with the cringy "That's the point" comeback. They're really going to lay this one on thick.

Question, as I don't know the source material that well; is the Big Bad, with the goons in rabbit masks, based on any comicbook villain? She's giving off slight Joker-not-Joker vibes...

This gives a bit of detail on the Alice character in the comics. Contains major comic spoilers

https://www.cbr.com/alice-guide-arrowverse-batwoman-villain/

CastorTroy · 03-10-2019 12:45pm

That link does contain spoilers for the character.
I will confirm she is based on a Batwoman comic villain that isn't the mad hatter.

EoinMcLovin · 03-10-2019 12:51pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

That link does contain spoilers for the character.
I will confirm she is based on a Batwoman comic villain that isn't the mad hatter.

Woops, didn't check for spoilers. My bad will update post to say has comic spoilers

Agent Coulson · 07-10-2019 12:15pm

That was terrible Rose is so bloody wooden even her voice over couldn't put any warmth into it.

pah · 08-10-2019 10:17am

The idea had potential, the execution was awful. That reveal at the end, give me a break... I'm out after 1 episode.

EoinMcLovin · 08-10-2019 10:39am

pah wrote: »

The idea had potential, the execution was awful. That reveal at the end, give me a break... I'm out after 1 episode.

That reveal should have been a mid season cliffhanger not the end of the first episode

pixelburp · 08-10-2019 10:42am

Interesting feedback so far; just glancing at metacritic and it's hard to gauge. The critic score is 60, which is pretty 'meh' though those TV reviews always depend on how many episodes they were given to work with.

The audience score is ... well, it's exactly the kind of dog-piling, buzzword strewn rants you'd expect from the masses on the internet. Usual "SJWs ate my dog" kind of ranting; show looks like a dogs dinner so far but one imagines the truth somewhere in the middle.

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 08-10-2019 11:42am

I quite enjoyed it and think there's some great potential for it. The only Arrow-verse shows I still watch are Arrow itself (especially as I know it's coming to a conclusion) and Legends of Tomorrow (because it's brilliantly absurd and amazing as a result), so I'm not as invested in the universe as I once was and its probably fair to say that I've got a certain amount of "Supehero Fatigue".

I don't have the problem with Ruby Rose other people seem to. I didn't necessarily fall in love with her performance here, but it didn't bother me either... and in fairness I couldn't stand Stephen Amell at first as Oliver Queen and now he's easily a favourite of mine. Batwoman and Kate Kane as an non-powered hero is far more compelling to me as a character than Flash, Supergirl, or Black Lightning, so I'm intrigued enough to stay on board.

I did find most of the supporting cast to be very bland though, which was my biggest problem about the pilot, with the exception of Rachel Skarsten as Alice who was fantastic and is probably the best thing about the show.

I'll probably wait for a few episodes to build up before watching more, but I'll certainly give it a fair shot.

CastorTroy · 08-10-2019 10:20pm

Watched the first episode.

I know she said she was training and all, but she sure learned how to use the grappling hooks and all quick enough.
Alice seemed more lucid than I expected. Would expect her to be more airy in her tone, but not quite Harley.
Not sure why they did that reveal so soon

Will watch another episode or 2.
Wonder if they'll do a time jump at some point to bring it up to date with the rest of the Arrowverse, since she was already Batwoman in last year's crossover

EoinMcLovin · 08-10-2019 10:34pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

Watched the first episode.
I know she said she was training and all, but she sure learned how to use the grappling hooks and all quick enough.
Alice seemed more lucid than I expected. Would expect her to be more airy in her tone, but not quite Harley

Will watch another episode or 2.
Wonder if they'll do a time jump at some point to bring it up to date with the rest of the Arrowverse, since she was already Batwoman in last year's crossover

Yeah they will need to do a few time jumps between episodes to actually catch up for the crossover. Would be more believable than just doing one big time jump to catch up to last years crossover and then again for this years one. I see on reddit multiple people saying that Elseworlds happens between episode 3 and 4, not confirmed so take with a grain of salt.

fritzelly · 11-10-2019 10:13pm

I wanted to like this, I really did, but the lead actress has put me right off - wooden dialogue and wooden acting, plus think the batwoman suit looks naff, the heavy lesbian tones are also a put off. Supporting cast have no charisma either. Bit of a mish mash of introductions to characters and not even knowing who they are
Will give it a few more episodes but feels like I've started watching a show mid run

fritzelly · 14-10-2019 8:23pm

Two episodes in and jaysus this is bad
The most wooden monotonous lead actor and she's so skinny you really find it hard to believe she could punch her way out of a wet paper bag never mind fight off multiple baddies
Mentioning Batman/Bruce every 5 mins is ever so annoying
Some terrible green screen as well

Audience reviews bombing the show

I'm done with it anyway

Mr E · 14-10-2019 10:26pm

Watched the first two tonight, expecting the worst. I thought it was pretty watchable actually.

CastorTroy · 15-10-2019 12:10am

Still need to watch the second episode, but if it's like the other CW DC shows, I'm sure everyone will know her secret identity by episode 6

CastorTroy · 15-10-2019 10:57pm

So was the stepmom responsible for the bomb?

And why doesn't Kate at least try and disguise her voice?

Good job Luke just happened to point out the 2 items that would come in handy later on.

CastorTroy · 21-10-2019 10:31pm

Got an hour before more people are killed, so will casually go to Wayne Towers and redesign the suit exactly how she wants it, including digging up a red wig.

And the ending reminds me I would love to know how people make plans on tv shows and movies. "I'll call you" then walk away without getting her number. Happens so often. Same as "We'll grab a coffee/lunch/dinner" before walking away, yet they know the time and place.

EoinMcLovin · 25-10-2019 7:41pm

It has received a full season order bringing total number of episodes to 22

pixelburp · 25-10-2019 8:46pm

Hello, padding.

CastorTroy · 26-10-2019 12:27am

Expected a full or nearly a full season considering it's part of the crossover and that episode would've been done by now. If it was getting half a season that would probably be the finale

CastorTroy · 28-10-2019 9:05pm

That was a very rushed ending with the whole grapple and sudden appearance in the fountain.
And the bombs seemed pretty safe considering people were running over them as they were going off.

I'm a bit confused how Kate got Wayne Tower though. She came back unexpectedly and just decided to start doing something in there and no one questioned it? It's not like Bruce has been in touch with anyone, having just disappeared along with all his allies like Gordon

EoinMcLovin · 28-10-2019 9:22pm

One of the writers has confirmed that the events of Elseworlds happens between episodes 4 and 5

CastorTroy · 31-10-2019 6:14pm

Ruby seems to be loosening up a bit now. And finally Kate is disguising her voice

B.A._Baracus · 04-11-2019 9:50am

I am enjoying the show so far. Don't know how it warrents a 3.2 rating tho https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8712204/

CastorTroy · 04-11-2019 11:08pm

How long until Kate's step sister finds out the truth?

Who knew it was so easy to get a nail out of a wall or shoes like that?
And would Kate not have had to go past Alice and their dad to get out?

CastorTroy · 05-11-2019 9:11am

They confirmed Elseworlds has happened anyway with the Arkham Breakout mention

Mr E · 01-01-2020 8:03pm

I caught up on this over Christmas (the 6 episodes before the crossover).
It won't set the world on fire, but it was actually pretty decent.

I warmed up to Ruby Rose too. She isn't as bad as people make out.

icdg · 01-01-2020 8:21pm

Bit odd that no UK rights holder has materialised. Some suggestion that Warner’s may be holding it and other new shows for a streaming service, but nothing concrete in that or any other line.

CastorTroy · 02-01-2020 12:00am

Mr E wrote: »

I caught up on this over Christmas (the 6 episodes before the crossover).
It won't set the world on fire, but it was actually pretty decent.

I warmed up to Ruby Rose too. She isn't as bad as people make out.

At first she was very wooden, but she seemed to loosen up and settle into the role as it went on.

icdg wrote: »

Bit odd that no UK rights holder has materialised. Some suggestion that Warner’s may be holding it and other new shows for a streaming service, but nothing concrete in that or any other line.

According to geektown, someone has the rights but Sky doesn't know who.

Agent Coulson · 14-01-2020 3:44pm

Channel 4 has picked it up and it will air on E4 later in the year no date given.

EoinMcLovin · 14-01-2020 3:57pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Channel 4 has picked it up and it will air on E4 later in the year no date given.

Very odd that Sky never got the rights for this seeing as they had all other Arrowverse shows. Annoying for those who tried to watch this years crossover and not being able to watch one episode due to Sky not having rights for the show

cena · 14-01-2020 6:23pm

EoinMcLovin wrote: »

Very odd that Sky never got the rights for this seeing as they had all other Arrowverse shows. Annoying for those who tried to watch this years crossover and not being able to watch one episode due to Sky not having rights for the show

Wait sky the new crossover? I just caught up to Supergirl yesterday

CastorTroy · 14-01-2020 7:26pm

Sky haven't aired the crossover yet. The first episode back for each show will be the crossover
Seems they were holding off I the hope that whoever got Batwoman would show it then they could show their parts around it.
But the fact E4 don't have a start date means they'll likely have to go ahead as Batwoman part of the crossover is episode 9.

I see on Amazon Germany, they have the rights for Germany, but only have the first 8 episodes so far

EoinMcLovin · 20-01-2020 8:13pm

So we have our first major change as a result of Crisis

Beth is alive leading to who is Alice?

CastorTroy · 20-01-2020 9:12pm

Yeah seems to be the case.

So now we have 2 Beths.
Though would think this universe's Batwoman wouldn't have been trying to turn Alice if Beth was alive and well, but clearly she has been trying.
And why hasn't anyone said to her that Beth is studying abroad? Like her stepsister doesn't seem to be aware of Beth either

EoinMcLovin · 20-01-2020 9:24pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

Yeah seems to be the case.
So now we have 2 Beths.
Though would think this universe's Batwoman wouldn't have been trying to turn Alice if Beth was alive and well, but clearly she has been trying.
And why hasn't anyone said to her that Beth is studying abroad? Like her stepsister doesn't seem to be aware of Beth either

Well from last night's Supergirl episode it looks like

doppelgangers from the dead Earths are showing up on Earth Prime so Alice is still Beth but the other Beth is from a different Earth

JP Liz V1 · 11-03-2020 10:56pm

icdg wrote: »

Bit odd that no UK rights holder has materialised. Some suggestion that Warner’s may be holding it and other new shows for a streaming service, but nothing concrete in that or any other line.

CastorTroy wrote: »

At first she was very wooden, but she seemed to loosen up and settle into the role as it went on.

According to geektown, someone has the rights but Sky doesn't know who.

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Channel 4 has picked it up and it will air on E4 later in the year no date given.

It starts on E4 on Sunday 22nd March at 9pm

Agent Coulson · 16-03-2020 8:22pm

A production assistant has been left paralyzed from the waist down after suffering an injury on the set on March 11th.

icdg · 16-03-2020 9:43pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

It starts on E4 on Sunday 22nd March at 9pm

Sky EPG showing Anchorman 2 in that slot for me?

CastorTroy · 17-03-2020 12:20am

icdg wrote: »

Sky EPG showing Anchorman 2 in that slot for me?

Yeah, was misinformation from digiguide it seems.

They're showing the ad for it a lot on film4, at least, but it just says "Coming Soon"

EoinMcLovin · 18-05-2020 8:30pm

Alright season finale but it finally revealed who is playing

Bruce Wayne in the Arrowverse albeit with a twist. Alphas alum Warren Christie will be playing as Tommy Elliot (Hush) who was made to look like Bruce Wayne with the help of Alice to steal Kryptonite from Wayne Tower.

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