Tesla Model 3 thread - V2.0

jusmeig · 05-06-2020 4:04pm

Anyone recommend an easy to install centre console cover (matt black) from ideally a UK/IRL company?
Don't want to wrap, more like the panels with 3m tape to stick.

Thanks.

mrbongo · 05-06-2020 5:52pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes but if the app gets hacked

How exactly? By tampering with it on the protected AppStore? By vulnerability in iOS where other apps could read the key? Both virtually impossible.

Maybe by hijacking the author's code and Apple login and hacking the application, and then sending keys and location data to some central server - possible but pretty unlikely. And even if it happened they'd have to pass the key to a thief in Ireland, which would only get them into the car and not past my PIN number - and they can get into the car just by smashing the window. I think I'm fine with using the app ...

Tesla3 · 05-06-2020 10:36pm

mrbongo wrote: »

How exactly? By tampering with it on the protected AppStore? By vulnerability in iOS where other apps could read the key? Both virtually impossible.

Maybe by hijacking the author's code and Apple login and hacking the application, and then sending keys and location data to some central server - possible but pretty unlikely. And even if it happened they'd have to pass the key to a thief in Ireland, which would only get them into the car and not past my PIN number - and they can get into the car just by smashing the window. I think I'm fine with using the app ...

Any idiot going to their insurance company explaining that they given the virtual keys to their car to a company that has been subjected to a hack will need some luck

Gumbo · 05-06-2020 11:02pm

Tesla3 wrote: »

Any idiot going to their insurance company explaining that they given the virtual keys to their car to a company that has been subjected to a hack will need some luck

Any idiot.....that’s twice you said that now. Doesn’t add any weight to your argument.

People give permissions to their phones apps every day for similar things.
Geo fencing to turn your house alarm off as you pull up to the drive. iPhone details of credit cards, bank accounts and other financial items.

I really don’t think giving an app your details like this is an issue.
My bmw app can open the car, lock the car, heat the car, locate the car etc should people disconnect from these services too?

Old diesel · 06-06-2020 3:29pm

Gumbo wrote: »

Any idiot.....that’s twice you said that now. Doesn’t add any weight to your argument.

People give permissions to their phones apps every day for similar things.
Geo fencing to turn your house alarm off as you pull up to the drive. iPhone details of credit cards, bank accounts and other financial items.

I really don’t think giving an app your details like this is an issue.
My bmw app can open the car, lock the car, heat the car, locate the car etc should people disconnect from these services too?

Is that an official App from BMW?????.

Because something offered by BMW officially is a different ballgame.

1) it's fair and reasonable to expect something from official BMW to be dependable. You cannot be accused of being careless using an official BMW app in the way it was intended by BMW.

2) if something goes wrong then you should get better backing from big BMW rather then a "guy" who built an app

taylorsrichard · 07-06-2020 12:34pm

Just posted my latest video on the Top 10 Most Unique/Controversial Design Elements of the Model 3 for anyone interested to see how it compares to the S/X and other luxury cars. Hope ye like it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v193r4I3YU

ozmo · 08-06-2020 1:53am

taylorsrichard wrote: »

Just posted my latest video on the Top 10 Most Unique/Controversial Design Elements of the Model 3 for anyone interested to see how it compares to the S/X and other luxury cars. Hope ye like it

Very good - some of those issues you mention would be a minor annoyance to me alright - especially the needing three or four clicks in an app to open the glovebox

- and I think Id have to tape up that manual door opener as explaining anyone giving a lift- older relative, boss etc. not to use it because they would damage the door trim

would sound like you are too overprotective!

The relocated speedometer is also more obvious one - but would take me some time to get used to not being in visual line of sight.

Are there easy ways to change the radio or adjust the temperature without taking your eyes off the road?

Black_Knight · 08-06-2020 7:41am

ozmo wrote: »

Are there easy ways to change the radio or adjust the temperature without taking your eyes off the road?

Do voice commands work with these settings?

Black_Knight · 08-06-2020 7:43am

taylorsrichard wrote: »

Just posted my latest video on the Top 10 Most Unique/Controversial Design Elements of the Model 3 for anyone interested to see how it compares to the S/X and other luxury cars. Hope ye like it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v193r4I3YU

Grab handles. Why Tesla, why!? To me, that's up there with their bad design decision of no cabin storage in the model S.

jusmeig · 08-06-2020 9:11am

Black_Knight wrote: »

Do voice commands work with these settings?

Yes.

zg3409 · 08-06-2020 9:22am

ozmo wrote: »

Are there easy ways to change the radio or adjust the temperature without taking your eyes off the road?

Steering wheel buttons.
Left Wheel is for audio controls:
Tilt Right/Left = audio track skip forward / back
Scroll up/down = audio volume up / down
Push = Audio play / pause (mute)

For temperature there is a fan button always in the same place at the bottom of the touch screen, so you should be able to get to correct menu quickly. As said you can use voice control too.

AndyBoBandy · 08-06-2020 9:42am

taylorsrichard wrote: »

Just posted my latest video on the Top 10 Most Unique/Controversial Design Elements of the Model 3 for anyone interested to see how it compares to the S/X and other luxury cars. Hope ye like it

"Unannounced Acceleration Test"

:D:D:D:D:D:D

mrbongo · 08-06-2020 10:09am

Black_Knight wrote: »

Grab handles. Why Tesla, why!? To me, that's up there with their bad design decision of no cabin storage in the model S.

The first time I noticed they were missing .... was yesterday when I watched that video.

So, wasn't a problem for me obviously .... and possibly plenty of others.

EVGuy · 08-06-2020 12:12pm

General comments:

The door handles work well for something to grab for me, on the few occasions I've been a passenger.

It's also only 2 presses or a voice command to open the glovebox not 3 or 4.

I have little warning triangles fitted beside the emergency release latches and window stickers on the window buttons, for about 5 quid I think it's worth doing.

WattsUp · 08-06-2020 12:24pm

Gumbo wrote: »

Any idiot.....that’s twice you said that now. Doesn’t add any weight to your argument.

People give permissions to their phones apps every day for similar things.
Geo fencing to turn your house alarm off as you pull up to the drive. iPhone details of credit cards, bank accounts and other financial items.

I really don’t think giving an app your details like this is an issue.
My bmw app can open the car, lock the car, heat the car, locate the car etc should people disconnect from these services too?

Despite the app developers best intentions things can change. A few examples
1. Somebody with access to app development decides to copy keys to cloud somewhere. A disgruntled employee.
2. App gets sold and new company decide they want the keys on server. Server then gets hacked.
3. The app turns out to be a "long game" scam and when it has passwords for 10000 cars they get their team of minions to start picking them cars up. App rating might not be 5* after that but who cares.

I love the idea of teslafi and other apps BUT would you give a copy of your key, with up to the second location of where car is at any time, to a complete stranger, just because he said he would not use it?

It sounds like people are putting a massive amount of faith in somebody(s) they don't know. Would they do same in real life ?

liamog · 08-06-2020 1:27pm

WattsUp wrote: »

Despite the app developers best intentions things can change ...

Step 1: Convince Tesla drivers to install my app
Step 2: Wait for Tesla to finish full self driving
Step 3: Sell app to oil company
Step 4: Use account to buy full self driving over the air for cars that don't have it yet
Step 5: Oil company triggers self drive to bring all cars to central location for destruction

As fun as that scenario would be, I don't think there's a real hope of it happening.
The only real concern I'd have is are you breaching Tesla's terms of service by sharing credentials with a third party, not that there is likely to be any consequences.

timsey tiger · 08-06-2020 2:59pm

Would there be any reason not to just one of the new cars in stock in Dublin vs ordering a new one if the options included were satisfactory? Is FSD a software only upgrade?

Nedved85 · 08-06-2020 3:01pm

Not really.

If you order a Model 3 with FSD at the time of order - you pay additional vrt on that versus paying for that upgrade after you have received the car *As far as I know*..

timsey tiger · 08-06-2020 3:16pm

No most recent upgrade or anything like that that you might miss out on.

AndyBoBandy · 08-06-2020 3:20pm

timsey tiger wrote: »

Would there be any reason not to just one of the new cars in stock in Dublin vs ordering a new one

If they actually had it in stock, then yes, order away if you want the car quicker..

Thats pretty much how I got mine. I had ordered, and about a week later, when others (who ordered around the same time) were getting VIN matched, and I still wasn't, an inventory car appeared in the exact spec I had ordered, so I emailed them in Sandyford, and asked if I could transfer my order to the inventory car, and they did it for me. The car was still on the transport ship, but I believe I got it sooner than if I'd have waited for my original order.

Ordered on January 18th
collected on March 13th

Nedved85 · 08-06-2020 3:20pm

timsey tiger wrote: »

No most recent upgrade or anything like that that you might miss out on.

Not that I know of, it should be a brand new car, 202 reg I guess if you collect in July? (If you did order today, tell Tesla you want a 202 reg)

Let me know if you need a referral code. Both of us get 1500km free supercharging.

AndyBoBandy · 08-06-2020 3:21pm

timsey tiger wrote: »

No most recent upgrade or anything like that that you might miss out on.

No, all cars coming in now are 2020 cars, and all are the same bar the various options they come with.

All cars will get the same software updates.

mrbongo · 08-06-2020 3:48pm

WattsUp wrote: »

It sounds like people are putting a massive amount of faith in somebody(s) they don't know. Would they do same in real life ?

You can make the same argument about paying for almost anything online, or using payments on your phone, with immediate loss of your cash remotely. But internet commerce is thriving.

There is a risk with giving your Tesla key to an app. If you want to use an app, make sure it's trusted, download it and prevent updates - that will lock its functionality and even it is hacked later you will hang on to the safe version.

There are easier ways to steal keys, how many keep their keys in a Faraday cage that prevents remote stealing? Watch this video when a Model S was hijacked outside a home in the UK.

I'd always put a PIN on the car. With a PIN doesn't matter if my car is opened by key, it still can't be driven away. It can be towed away alright

soc · 08-06-2020 6:14pm

MaceFace wrote: »

With these hot sunny days I want to engage overhead protection. It seems I can’t if I have sentry mode enabled.

I’ve set sentry to turn off at home but overheat protection is grayed out even if I’m home.

Anyone get this working?

Turn off Sentry Mode
Turn off Tilt
The Overheat Protection should now be enabled for you to switch on.

rx8 · 08-06-2020 7:55pm

Had a test drive this afternoon. Beautiful Grey Long range model. Quick and easy hand over of key and headed off. Found it to be very comfortable easy to set up and drive. Thanks to Richard's video earlier. The Mrs. even had a quick spin around one of the quiet estates. I was way too scared to mash the accelerator fully. So much power under your foot is quite unbelievable. Gonna see what they come back with as regards trade in value of my 2016 Passat and see where I go from there. They said if I wanted an inventory car it would be about 3 weeks and if I order a new model then I'd be looking at 12 - 14 weeks. What a blast, highly recommend anyone with even a slight interest in EV's to go out and have a go. Really envy all you lucky owners who have already collected theirs. Don't know yet if I'll be joining you,but enjoy the fun all the same.

Nedved85 · 08-06-2020 8:55pm

Trade in value from Tesla is brutal, insulting actually.

Private sale is the only way to go unfortunately.

Even autobuy are a good bit better!

arestifamiliar · 08-06-2020 9:06pm

Hi !

how much is it to add FSD after purchase ? it's 6500 at purchase, but that gets hit with 23% vat then.

Is it 6500 no vat after purchase ?

AndyBoBandy · 08-06-2020 9:08pm

arestifamiliar wrote: »

Hi !

how much is it to add FSD after purchase ? it's 6500 at purchase, but that gets hit with 23% vat then.

Is it 6500 no vat after purchase ?

Yes, if getting it, wait til after getting the car before upgrading.

MarkN · 08-06-2020 10:19pm

Nedved85 wrote: »

Trade in value from Tesla is brutal, insulting actually.

Private sale is the only way to go unfortunately.

Even autobuy are a good bit better!

They just rely on traders to take the cars so you’re never going to get what you should. As you say, private is the only way.

EVGuy · 08-06-2020 10:25pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

No, all cars coming in now are 2020 cars, and all are the same bar the various options they come with.

All cars will get the same software updates.

Except they don't do "model years".

They change things as and when they can, it seems the next batch of 3s in the US will have USB-C in the rear of the car and wireless phone charging as a standard feature.

Possibly other things over the next while too, like heat-pump from the Y ...

ELM327 · 09-06-2020 9:55am

EVGuy wrote: »

Except they don't do "model years".

They change things as and when they can, it seems the next batch of 3s in the US will have USB-C in the rear of the car and wireless phone charging as a standard feature.

Possibly other things over the next while too, like heat-pump from the Y ...

But they do label the cars with model year designations and for the 3 it seems that MY20 cars are different to MY19 etc

EVGuy · 09-06-2020 11:44am

Yes, "2020" delivered cars are different to 7-19, but we will also likely see changes over the next few months but it will still be a "2020" car.

The year is more a production year than a model year and there will be changes, but they can come at any time.

The taller seal for the boot was added at some point but wasn't called out as an "amazing new feature" like you see with other makes.

Look up what Sandy Munro has to say on Tesla's "sontinuous" innovation versus "continual" innovation like you see from other brands.

taylorsrichard · 09-06-2020 7:56pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Haha, was waiting for someone to pick up on that! Yeah, the voice commands can be used alright, but for some reason I always end up just faffing about with the touchscreen anyway. Think years of having to deal with a less than cooperative Siri might have had some influence on that! Gonna go in-depth on Summon and Smart Summon in the next vid, but if ye have any suggestions for stuff ye'd like me to cover let me know

lafors · 09-06-2020 8:33pm

taylorsrichard wrote: »

Haha, was waiting for someone to pick up on that! Yeah, the voice commands can be used alright, but for some reason I always end up just faffing about with the touchscreen anyway. Think years of having to deal with a less than cooperative Siri might have had some influence on that! Gonna go in-depth on Summon and Smart Summon in the next vid, but if ye have any suggestions for stuff ye'd like me to cover let me know

I wouldn't mind seeing how autopilot is on mix of Irish roads. And the comfort on boreens and different Irish road surfaces. And maybe something about the wind noise on the car? Not sure what year yours is but I thought the 192 I had on test drive was nosier than my ioniq. On the motorway at the same speeds.

Btw good video

unkel · 09-06-2020 8:39pm

lafors wrote: »

And maybe something about the wind noise on the car? Not sure what year yours is but I thought the 192 I had on test drive was nosier than my ioniq. On the motorway at the same speeds.

Model 3 is very noisy. Indeed noisier than Ioniq, which itself is not particularly quiet.

There are aftermarket rubber strip kits I think that make a good bit of difference. No experience with them myself, maybe some owners here can comment.

AndyBoBandy · 09-06-2020 8:43pm

unkel wrote: »

Model 3 is very noisy. Indeed noisier than Ioniq, which itself is not particularly quiet.

I can't really say that its very noisy* but up to maybe 50-60 km/h its pretty quiet, above that and it sounds like a normal car.
Below 30km/h its almost silent.

*Model 3 is the only EV I've ever been in, so in terms of EV's, I've nothing to compare it with.

How does the S compare to the Ioniq?

embraer170 · 09-06-2020 9:11pm

How does it compare to the Model S in terms of noise?

unkel · 09-06-2020 9:26pm

Model S is quiet. It really is a different class of car.

taylorsrichard · 09-06-2020 9:30pm

lafors wrote: »

I wouldn't mind seeing how autopilot is on mix of Irish roads. And the comfort on boreens and different Irish road surfaces. And maybe something about the wind noise on the car? Not sure what year yours is but I thought the 192 I had on test drive was nosier than my ioniq. On the motorway at the same speeds.

Btw good video

Yeah, can definitely do the Autopilot stuff. Don't have much to compare against in terms of the wind noise aside from agreeing with @AndyBoBandy in that below 30km/h its very quiet and after that it just sounds like a typical ICE car (aside from when you accelerate). I have a 201 Performance so the 20" wheels would likely have an impact on the noise too.

AndyBoBandy · 09-06-2020 9:31pm

I do love the motor 'whine' like noise when you floor it, sounds so futuristic...

Lumen · 09-06-2020 9:35pm

embraer170 wrote: »

How does it compare to the Model S in terms of noise?

There are at least three different versions of Model S suspension, so it depends how old.

I drove a pre-Raven facelifted S and 3 on the same roads. I noticed wind noise in the S and road noise in the 3.

I'm sure a Raven S is quieter than a 3.

unkel · 09-06-2020 9:40pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I do love the motor 'whine' like noice when you floor it, sounds so futuristic...

Yeah me too. Never gets boring either

taylorsrichard · 09-06-2020 9:55pm

unkel wrote: »

Yeah me too. Never gets boring either

Same! Would love if they gave you the option to amplify it a bit with the pedestrian speaker or something haha.

unkel · 09-06-2020 10:55pm

You excel at doing research into Teslas, Richard. Go have a good look see if you can find anything

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 09-06-2020 11:10pm

My first Tesla Supercharger experiance today. Very simple and by god it was fast. Trying to use up some referral code Km's before they run out.

upload pic

EVGuy · 10-06-2020 8:33am

unkel wrote: »

Model S is quiet. It really is a different class of car.

I didn't find the S 75 I had a loan of any quieter than my "2020" 3.

They did improve the sound levels from 19->20.

I did have a dreadful whistle that appeared over ~70km/h and discovered the trim below the windscreen was not clipped in, once clipped in the whistle vanished.

Worth checking if you have a 3.

AndyBoBandy · 10-06-2020 8:49am

Seth Orange Springboard wrote: »

Trying to use up some referral code Km's before they run out.

I wonder though does your expiry date push out if you get more referral km's? and would it only push out for the new km's, or your entire balance of free km's?

unkel · 10-06-2020 10:04am

EVGuy wrote: »

I didn't find the S 75 I had a loan of any quieter than my "2020" 3.

They did improve the sound levels from 19->20.

I'd say you have a case there. The one I drove and was in at length is my best mate's Model 3 LR, but it's a March 2019 car (with HW2.5) and it was obviously not in this country

The fact alone that none of the Irish owners seem to complain about noise in their 2020 (or very late 2019) cars would point to Tesla having sorted the problem

jusmeig · 10-06-2020 12:50pm

Just got back from Spirit Detailing, very impressed with the results and thumbs up for the folks on boards that recommended Brian.
He even made a nice video of the finished article too!

Model 3 Vulcan Coating

ELM327 · 10-06-2020 12:52pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I wonder though does your expiry date push out if you get more referral km's? and would it only push out for the new km's, or your entire balance of free km's?

It does, and for all of them

Tesla Model 3 thread - V2.0

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