Incident at Roscommon hotel (asylum seekers)

Robert Wolfe · 13-02-2019 12:02am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

It doesn't bother me in the slightest, it's when they constantly post bullshyte that i reply.

Muslims coming to Ireland, were all doomed! DOOOOOOOOOOOMED i tells ya!

Bull****? Like the rape gangs in England? The rape stats in Sweden? The problems in Germany? The scandal that's emerging in Finland?

donkeykong5 · 13-02-2019 12:05am

tretorn wrote: »

IngazZagni wrote: »

It has been earmarked for direct provision but is currently empty.

Arson is disgraceful behaviour. I can however feel the frustration of locals. It's absolute madness to locate something like that in this location. Such a small town. What will these people do in a place like this? It's a disaster waiting to happen. These direct provision centres need to be located in larger population centres to give them a better chance to integrate into the community and better understand our culture.

Please stop with this nonsense.

If asylum seekers are Muslim they won’t integrate here. How as a woman can you integrate with Irish people if you can’t be in male company without a chaperone. How can you integrate with other women if you are covered head to toe with just your eyes visible.

Muslims have lived in great numbers in France and the UK for decades, these two countries have suffered the most from terrorism, France in particular is destroyed and Germany will be the same in two decades.

Ffs. Look at whitechapel and shadwell in London. !

Ultimate Seduction · 13-02-2019 12:05am

Mrsmum wrote: »

Yeah. I don't think Rooskey is a good fit for those 80 AS and I'm sure the people there wouldn't be very pleased about it based on very valid concerns but yeah I don't think most ordinary people would commit arson. Is that so hard to believe.

Arsonist's come from another planet or something do they? Or is it just this area thats full of "ordinary" people?

Billy86 · 13-02-2019 12:05am

Kivaro wrote: »

Billy86 wrote: »

Which posters are these by the way? I keep hearing about all these pro open borders posters on AH but only remember seeing 1 or 2 people ever call for it?

I could very well be wrong and have missed several posters in this thread calling for such a thing (either here or in the past) but would appreciate if you could point them out to me.

Usually it is Sinn Fein posters advocating for their party's policy of open borders for all, or people with skin in the game .... like NGO staff reliant on a booming migrant/refugee business.

Which ones though? Because I keep hearing about these people calling for open borders, but I don't see them?

It shouldn't be hard for you to point out who you were referring to, as your post I quote led out with "I see we have the usual pro-open-borders supporters on here..." so who are the pro open borders supporters you were talking about?

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-02-2019 12:08am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

I think your the first person on this thread to mention religion?

I'm not.

TCM · 13-02-2019 12:10am

Dakotabigone wrote:

I visited Roscommon once

Where is it?

Ultimate Seduction · 13-02-2019 12:12am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I'm not.

Quote the comment so that says were doomed because muslins are coming to Ireland as you said, or even something similar to that.

tretorn · 13-02-2019 12:13am

bubblypop wrote: »

There was an asylum seekers centre in killiney in the past.
Also, there are traveller halting sites in, blackrock, dun laoghaire, cabinteely, foxrock, rathmichael, Shankill, just to name a few in south county Dublin.

There are a couple of small halting sites in Blackrock and Dunlaoghairev but no big sites, Cabinteely would be the same. The one in Foxrock is there years as is the one in Shankhill. Most of the families living in these sites are handpicked and they would be groups of extended families.

The vast majority of travellers in Dublin live in Tallaght and Cllondalkin and parts of West Dublin, the elite don’t live in these areas but the elite will allow a few travellers to live in the Dunlaoghaire Borough just so they can say oh, but we do have some travellers. The elite have blocked any new traveller development for years, there was to be a halting site on UCD land and on Bird Avenue in Clonskeagh, those plans came to nothing, just shot down by well heeled local residents. I don’t blame them.

Gimme A Pound · 13-02-2019 12:14am

1874 wrote: »

Fleeing where? Syria? that war is all but over, and it was only prolonged by support from Saudi Arabia for one, a country that can be condemned on numerous counts for human rights issues. There will always be some place to flee, at what point would we say no? or that it simply isnt sustainable?

It would be greatly naive to think things are fine there now that the war is over. And it doesn't make sense to simultaneously express concern over the sexual violence but advocating a refusal to offer asylum to some trying to escape it.

Of course there has to be limits though - there does have to be a point where no is said, as we obviously don't have the resources to help unlimited numbers.

I understand the concerns too however - the sneers of "racism" here, and ignoring of facts like what's happened in Finland, are just loathsome.

Victor wrote: »

So the buildings those women might live in should be burned down?

"So what you're saying is" - nah, they didn't say or even imply that at all.

Mrsmum · 13-02-2019 12:14am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Arsonist's come from another planet or something do they? Or is it just this area thats full of "ordinary" people?

Yeah they do come from another planet in the sense that most people would never do that. I wouldn't. Would you ? It's a huge step from not wanting AS/migrants in your area to burning down a building and risk getting charged etc.

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-02-2019 12:16am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Quote the comment so that says were doomed because muslins are coming to Ireland as you said, or even something similar to that.

You said i was the 1st to mention religion not the word doomed.

I wasn't the first to mention religion.

Ultimate Seduction · 13-02-2019 12:18am

Mrsmum wrote: »

Yeah they do come from another planet in the sense that most people would never do that. I wouldn't. Would you ? It's a huge step from not wanting AS/migrants in your area to burning down a building and risk getting charged etc.

No I wouldn't do it. I find it strange that you can't believe someone from Roscommon would do it though, is there no criminals in Roscommon?

tretorn · 13-02-2019 12:18am

What happened in Finland.

Ultimate Seduction · 13-02-2019 12:20am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You said i was the 1st to mention religion not the word doomed.

I wasn't the first to mention religion.

OK, so no one said what you said though did they? No one said anything like that at all.

Spanish Eyes · 13-02-2019 12:23am

bubblypop wrote: »

There was an asylum seekers centre in killiney in the past.
Also, there are traveller halting sites in, blackrock, dun laoghaire, cabinteely, foxrock, rathmichael, Shankill, just to name a few in south county Dublin.

Where exactly, thanks.

I am guessing the settlements are very small and well cared for. No trouble or any tossing of rubbish or dogs let loose or whatever. Can you confirm?

The local residents would not tolerate anything other than that really. Do you recall the residents in Glenamuck Cottages who totally objected to a temporary halting site outside their homes after the major fire?

Never heard a word about that afterwards. Did you? If that kind of objection was anywhere else there would be hell to pay from the media.

But because most of the media heads live in so called nice areas they never said a word about it.

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-02-2019 12:24am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

OK, so no one said what you said though did they? No one said anything like that at all.

I never said anyone did, in fact i think it's pretty obvious from my post that it was sarcasm.

Maybe you have reading comprehension issues where you don't get/understand sarcasm?

Ultimate Seduction · 13-02-2019 12:28am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I never said anyone did, in fact i think it's pretty obvious from my post that it was sarcasm.

Maybe you have reading comprehension issues where you don't get/understand sarcasm?

Personal insults and all now.

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-02-2019 12:29am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Personal insults and all now.

Its not an insult its an observation! Did you not get the sarcasm in my post?

no.8 · 13-02-2019 12:31am

tretorn wrote:

The vast majority of travellers in Dublin live in Tallaght and Cllondalkin and parts of West Dublin, the elite donâ€™t live in these areas but the elite will allow a few travellers to live in the Dunlaoghaire Borough just so they can say oh, but we do have some travellers. The elite have blocked any new traveller development for years, there was to be a halting site on UCD land and on Bird Avenue in Clonskeagh, those plans came to nothing, just shot down by well heeled local residents. I donâ€™t blame them.

You mean 'free housing sites'....?

tretorn · 13-02-2019 12:33am

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Where exactly, thanks.

I am guessing the settlements are very small and well cared for. No trouble or any tossing of rubbish or dogs let loose or whatever. Can you confirm?

The local residents would not tolerate anything other than that really. Do you recall the residents in Glenamuck Cottages who totally objected to a temporary halting site outside their homes after the major fire?

Never heard a word about that afterwards. Did you? If that kind of objection was anywhere else there would be hell to pay from the media.

But because most of the media heads live in so called nice areas they never said a word about it.

The sites in the better off areas are well cared for with problems nipped in the bud. The elite will make noise if their nice areas are impacted and the powers that be will respond. The people in Tallaght and Clondalkin aren’t important so the travellers can cause problems there and no one cares.

Kivaro · 13-02-2019 12:34am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

OK, so no one said what you said though did they? No one said anything like that at all.

Lads and lassies, my advice is to ignore the posters who are obviously trying to deflect.
Anytime new facts come out e.g. the recent news about the drastic increase of sexual assault and rapes by asylum seekers in Finland, they will do anything to mask the incidents by deflection and lies. But it is sad to see Finland being added to the list of European countries where the liberal social experiment of mass importation of refugees and economic migrants from outside the EU does not appear to be working.

But we'll do it right though. Right? The other countries just didn't try hard enough to integrate their refugees. Ireland will show them how to do it right. Let's put asylum seekers in remote villages away from urban areas ............ out of sight, out of mind ..... is probably the government's thinking. Let the locals compete with the new arrivals for school places and GP visits and housing and other local resources. This country is bonkers.

Gimme A Pound · 13-02-2019 12:41am

It's pretty odious to dismiss what is actually happening in terms of the increase in sexual violence. People do the same regarding the sex abuse operations in English towns. They would be all over sex abuse by catholic clergy though. And often it's laughably feminists who do the dismissing.

This pigheadedness is for one reason only - acknowledging a problem would mean agreeing with someone who... might be a bit right-wing. :eek:

Ultimate Seduction · 13-02-2019 12:48am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I never said anyone did, in fact i think it's pretty obvious from my post that it was sarcasm.

Maybe you have reading comprehension issues where you don't get/understand sarcasm?

Sarcasm is literally what a small bauld child reverts to when getting corrected or giving out to. No need to reply. You should probably unfollow the thread if you can't hold a conversation on serious matters in an adult like fashion.

no.8 · 13-02-2019 12:51am

Kivaro wrote:

But we'll do it right though. Right? The other countries just didn't try hard enough to integrate their refugees. Ireland will show them how to do it right. Let's put asylum seekers in remote villages away from urban areas ............ out of sight, out of mind ..... is probably the government's thinking. Let the locals compete with the new arrivals for school places and GP visits and housing and other local resources. This country is bonkers.

Kivaro wrote:

Lads and lassies, my advice is to ignore the posters who are obviously trying to deflect. Anytime new facts come out e.g. the recent news about the drastic increase of sexual assault and rapes by asylum seekers in Finland, they will do anything to mask the incidents by deflection and lies. But it is sad to see Finland being added to the list of European countries where the liberal social experiment of mass importation of refugees and economic migrants from outside the EU does not appear to be working.

Well said Kivaro. Its not working and this has been known for some time. Dropping droves of people (mostly working age young men of middle eastern or north african descent) into townlands and villages is akin to teleporting onto Mars. It's completely alien to them and the villagers. Trickling genuine refugees into Western countries had by and large worked in years gone by but this madness which we've seen unfold since 2014/15 is playing havok with society across Western and northern Europe.

Spanish Eyes · 13-02-2019 12:51am

tretorn wrote: »

The sites in the better off areas are well cared for with problems nipped in the bud. The elite will make noise if their nice areas are impacted and the powers that be will respond. The people in Tallaght and Clondalkin aren’t important so the travellers can cause problems there and no one cares.

Indeed. Sad though that residents in other areas are not given the same supports if things go wrong.

donkeykong5 · 13-02-2019 12:58am

It's on tonight show at the moment. Does anyone know who actually owns that hotel. ?

donkeykong5 · 13-02-2019 12:59am

Brid Smith really does talk a load of crap. !

Snow Garden · 13-02-2019 12:59am

Bashar al-Assad said recently "To Hell or to Connacht". It has a ring to it.

Mad_maxx · 13-02-2019 10:27am

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

We have taken in way more than the EU asked us to while bigger richer countries like the one next door have taken in very few.

The usa is the only country which should be taking in any syrians as they were the ones who destabilised that entire region.

SnakePlissken · 13-02-2019 10:27am

Kivaro wrote: »

Lads and lassies, my advice is to ignore the posters who are obviously trying to deflect.

Absolutely this, they cannot debate using metrics and facts so resort to pathetic snipes, they're childish minds in adult bodies, not worth responding to... especially one particular poster who likes to throw accusations in one thread, then runs off and posts vile homophobic rants in another.

Mad_maxx · 13-02-2019 10:28am

Feisar wrote: »

Graces, with all respect dumping a large number of people in a small town will lead to trouble. There's bugger all facilities in these places. Sure during the boom people from Dublin sold their homes and moved to places like Mullingar and Rochfordbridge, this caused a certain element of them and us type mentallity, "bloody Dubs coming down here and causing trouble". And them fellow spud pickers, not a load of easily distingushable people.
It's probably the whole parish thing and outsiders are bad.

People in much of rural Ireland distrust folk from the next parish over, nevermind Syria

Fann Linn · 13-02-2019 11:13am

€1.6 million paid to one private provider since Sept 2018 for DP services by the govt.
Nice money to be made in refugee/asylum industry.

13-02-2019 11:18am

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Where exactly, thanks.

I am guessing the settlements are very small and well cared for. No trouble or any tossing of rubbish or dogs let loose or whatever. Can you confirm?

The local residents would not tolerate anything other than that really. Do you recall the residents in Glenamuck Cottages who totally objected to a temporary halting site outside their homes after the major fire?

Never heard a word about that afterwards. Did you? If that kind of objection was anywhere else there would be hell to pay from the media.

But because most of the media heads live in so called nice areas they never said a word about it.

Well, there is one location near Sandyford, travelling south bound on the M50, looking across the motorway, you used to routinely see piles of rubbish over their back wall, havent passed that way in a while, that may even have been the Glenamuck/Carrickmines location.

Mad_maxx wrote: »

The usa is the only country which should be taking in any syrians as they were the ones who destabilised that entire region.

Well and their Allies, the Saudi's, who are strangely but unsuprisingly in a kind of alliance with another heavily miltarised country there, presented as some sort of Bulwark to Iran. So Saudi, and one of the other gulf states too, was involved in funding and supplying military equipment for ISIS that prolonged the Syrian conflict and made it more brutal and devastating.

So how many people have the Saudi's taken in or the other rich gulf states? very few Id say other than possibly a token number, because they funded that war.
Personally I think Saudi could come a cropper with internal problems in the future, they have been a bit quiet since they murdered that journalist and the brutal war they waged/are waging against Yemen that has mostly gone unmentioned since that too. I think they are on something of a goodwill effort to rebuild their image what with Mariah Carey singing it up.
I consider their image irreparable, after an unnecessary war and famine in Yemen because the Saudis see themselves as needing to be opponents of Iran.

If the money spent by them on their wars to further their own ideology and to extend their power over neighboring regions wasnt wasted it could be used to improve their image by helping to build in the Middle east instead of destroy.
The reason why AS are coming here is at least in part an outcome of the actions of their own Muslim brothers and sisters. Although I dont think its that simple, its as the case here but more extreme, its based on the actions of the wealthy countries and the small number of wealthy families and connected people to further their own aims.

Grayson · 13-02-2019 11:27am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

The usa is the only country which should be taking in any syrians as they were the ones who destabilised that entire region.

Them and climate change. The syrian revolution was caused by many rural families moving to cities as a direct result of climate change.

And although you could argue that the USA and its allies have a greater moral obligation to help the syrian people, that doesn't mean we don't. For example if you see someone that's knocked down by a car you can't say that you have no moral obligation to help and we should not help because it's the obligation of the person in the car. The right thing to do is to help the person that's been knocked down.

13-02-2019 12:30pm

Grayson wrote: »

Them and climate change. The syrian revolution was caused by many rural families moving to cities as a direct result of climate change.

And although you could argue that the USA and its allies have a greater moral obligation to help the syrian people, that doesn't mean we don't. For example if you see someone that's knocked down by a car you can't say that you have no moral obligation to help and we should not help because it's the obligation of the person in the car. The right thing to do is to help the person that's been knocked down.

I think climate change played a part and that may have helped drive costs up, but costs can be manipulated too in a global economy when foodstuffs costs increase, its good way to sow dissent and discord.
In a global economy, its more likely that problems occurring ordinarily in one region can be felt throughout the world, its a frightening vision of what may come to pass.
Ive read there are 30days of food stocks available at anyone time and the rest of future requirements is in production/(growth) and delivery

Mad_maxx · 13-02-2019 12:31pm

Grayson wrote: »

Them and climate change. The syrian revolution was caused by many rural families moving to cities as a direct result of climate change.

And although you could argue that the USA and its allies have a greater moral obligation to help the syrian people, that doesn't mean we don't. For example if you see someone that's knocked down by a car you can't say that you have no moral obligation to help and we should not help because it's the obligation of the person in the car. The right thing to do is to help the person that's been knocked down.

If we present ourselves as happy to take in refugees, we will become a mecca, we cannot allow that to happen

4068ac1elhodqr · 13-02-2019 2:19pm

Fr. Hiroshima Twinkie wrote: »

Lest we forget: a recent poll (pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwd_2eJW0AEvOwY.jpg) showed that immigration is of concern for a whopping 2.2% of the Irish public!

Kind of puts into perspective the pages and pages of """legitimate""" concerns about immigrants and asylum seekers here....

....Just think about it.

You mean it's the 6th most item of concern? (in that small poll). Ahead of tax, crime, welfare, equality, recession, childcare, corruption concerns an so on...

The other top 3 are all impacted by migration. In fact Brexit itself was (primarily) caused by mass migration, hence the 52% voted to leave, even well knowing that their wallets would be lighter as a result.

People are happy for """legitimate""" AS, but it's very difficult to assess if someone travelling across (multiple safe countries in the EU, even Turkey) with no ID, to reach Calais, London or Dublin are all legitimate.

People are also happy for 'immigration via diversity' (the US-DV visa model is a good example). But planting 20%+ of a small towns total population, all from a specific singlular culture isn't exactly 'diversity', if anything it's the opposite.

Had they been 100 people from 100 different countries, it would be briliant, just think of the vast cultural benefits. It would also equate to near immediate integration, out of neccessity.

Just think about that.

maccored · 13-02-2019 2:31pm

this must be the reason

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2019/01/11/nation-so-racist-asylum-hotels-spontaneously-combusting-of-own-accord/

Grayson · 13-02-2019 2:40pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

If we present ourselves as happy to take in refugees, we will become a mecca, we cannot allow that to happen

That's a separate moral argument.

The first question is should we help. The second and third questions are who specifically do we help and how much can we help.

Simply saying we can't help anyone because in the future people we don't know might expect us to do something is not a valid argument. If you use it then we should never do anything right for anyone at all.

bear in mind that I'm looking at this strictly from a logical and moral/ethical point of view. It's something that I've studied a lot.

Likewise an argument you see here sometimes is that countries like saudi are doing nothing, so why should we. The simple answer is that one country ignoring their obligations does not remove our obligation. The same as the example above, seeing one person walk past a hit and run victim doesn't mean that it's perfectly ok for you to.

As for who to help, that's a separate argument. There's plenty of discussion about how we should review applicants. Should we give priority to families etc.

And of course there's a question of how many. 5 people or 500k? I think most people would agree that both figures are ridiculous but there is a question about how many we can physically take and what the cost is.

That's all separate from the first argument which is "should we help people" and i can't see any moral argument against that which makes sense.

Snow Garden · 13-02-2019 2:43pm

Fr. Hiroshima Twinkie wrote: »

Lest we forget: a recent poll (pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwd_2eJW0AEvOwY.jpg) showed that immigration is of concern for a whopping 2.2% of the Irish public!

Kind of puts into perspective the pages and pages of """legitimate""" concerns about immigrants and asylum seekers here.

Great point. I would count myself in the 2%.

I much prefer the multicultural Ireland we have today when compared with the inbred, backward, priest fearing society of the 20s-80s.

tretorn · 13-02-2019 3:07pm

I would much prefer to live under the priest fearing society of old than live under a Muslim cleric.

The leader of Hungary is right, let one Muslim in for every Irish child born and I mean that child born to a native Irish woman not a woman born in Somalia who becomes a New Irish. The problem with Muslim immigration is the amount that you end up within a couple of decades, they have very big families and they have children very young. In some parts of Europe Muslims have become so large in numbers they have created No go areas for non Muslims. They impose sharia law on their communities and basically live outside the secular law of their host country.

I really dont want to see that happening here but unfortuneately it already is. Tyrellstown in West Dublin is going to be a huge ghetto area when the numbers of non national children grow into their late teens. The powers that be dont care because they arent looking for votes in Tyrellstown and nothing that happens there impacts on anyone living in Clontarfor Sutton or Howth or Foxrock or Donnybrook.

Kivaro · 13-02-2019 3:09pm

Fr. Hiroshima Twinkie wrote: »

Lest we forget: a recent poll (pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwd_2eJW0AEvOwY.jpg) showed that immigration is of concern for a whopping 2.2% of the Irish public!

I'll tell you what; let's have a referendum on non-EU economic migration into Ireland or a referendum for changes to the existing asylum process. This is something that will never happen because the liberal government chiefs have their future jobs in Brussels to consider, but one could presume it would be around the same or more as the 2004 referendum to stop Nigerians and other similar "guests" having anchor babies in Ireland and then claiming citizenship.
>80% I'd imagine for a stop to non-EU migration and/or changes to the asylum process and the multiple appeals (and the corresponding substantial financial burden on tax payers).

And another thing. It's funny (almost) when the pro-open-border types talk about asylum seekers, they keep referencing Syrians. There is a high probability that Syrians would be a tiny minority housed in the Roscommon hotel. More than likely, you'll have North Africans, Western Africans, and "asylum seekers" from Pakistan, Georgia (most applicants in 2018), Albania etc. However, that won't stop the open-border proponents to keep using Syrians as the stereotypical asylum seeker. They know it's not true but that does not stop them.

There was a significant rise in the number of asylum seekers seeking "refuge" in Ireland in 2018. Curiously, they bypassed many other safe countries before arriving to our fair Isle. If you are wondering why? Then one could just look at our world-class welfare state that we have here. And with Billions of euros to be spent on new social housing units in the next few years, they get extremely high payments on welfare plus a new home.
As I said before, this country is bonkers.

Odhinn · 13-02-2019 3:10pm

tretorn wrote: »

I would much prefer to live under the priest fearing society of old than live under a Muslim cleric.

The leader of Hungary is right, let one Muslim in for every Irish child born and I mean that child born to a native Irish woman not a woman born in Somalia who becomes a New Irish. The problem with Muslim immigration is the amount that you end up within a couple of decades, they have very big families and they have children very young. In some parts of Europe Muslims have become so large in numbers they have created No go areas for non Muslims. They impose sharia law on their communities and basically live outside the secular law of their host country.

I really dont want to see that happening here but unfortuneately it already is. Tyrellstown in West Dublin is going to be a huge ghetto area when the numbers of non national childrengrow into their late teens. The powers that be dont care because they arent looking for votes in Tyrellstown and nothing that happens there impacts on anyone living in Clontarfor Sutton or Howth or Foxrock or Donnybrook.

Second and third generation have families in similar size to local norms.

You may find this hard to believe, but a lot of those children are irish.

Odhinn · 13-02-2019 3:11pm

Kivaro wrote: »

I'll tell you what; let's have a referendum on non-EU economic migration into Ireland or a referendum for changes to the existing asylum process. This is something that will never happen because the liberal government chiefs have their future jobs in Brussels to consider, but one could presume it would be around the same or more as the 2004 referendum to stop Nigerians and other similar "guests" having anchor babies in Ireland and then claiming citizenship.
>80% I'd imagine for a stop to non-EU migration and/or changes to the asylum process and the multiple appeals (and the corresponding substantial financial burden on tax payers).

And another thing. It's funny (almost) when the pro-open-border types talk about asylum seekers, they keep referencing Syrians. There is a high probability that Syrians would be a tiny minority housed in the Roscommon hotel. More than likely, you'll have North Africans, Western Africans, and "asylum seekers" from Pakistan, Georgia (most applicants in 2018), Albania etc. However, that won't stop the open-border proponents to keep using Syrians as the stereotypical asylum seeker. They know it's not true but that does not stop them.

There was a significant rise in the number of asylum seekers seeking "refuge" in Ireland in 2018. Curiously, they bypassed many other safe countries before arriving to our fair Isle. If you are wondering why? Then one could just look at our world-class welfare state that we have here. And with Billions of euros to be spent on new social housing units in the next few years, they get extremely high payments on welfare plus a new home.
As I said before, this country is bonkers.

Why the quotes in relation to Pakistan?

tretorn · 13-02-2019 3:18pm

Most are the children of people who came here illegally and then stayed so long they were granted asylum. If I had my way these people would be processed within days in Dublin Airport and put back on the airlines who brought them here, the return flights home to be charged to the carrier.

Second and third generation Muslims in many parts of Europe caused most of the terrorism and they managed to bring entire countries to their knees. They are also way over represented in sexual crime statistics in every country they land in including Ireland and they see rape and sexual assault of women who dare to dress as they like as inconsequential. In their tiny little backward brains they think the women want to be sexually assaulted and even if they dont they were asking for it anyway.

Second and third generation Muslims do not have less than two children each which is the norm for a lot of European countries, like the travellers the women are married off early and families started by the age of eighteen and nineteen. They dont marry outside their culture because European women wont accept being treated like chattels so very little integration takes place even with muslims resident in European countries for decades.

Odhinn · 13-02-2019 3:24pm

tretorn wrote: »

...........
Second and third generation Muslims do not have less than two children each which is the norm for a lot of European countries, ..............

So you agree with me then.

4068ac1elhodqr · 13-02-2019 3:24pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

I much prefer the multicultural Ireland we have today when compared with the inbred, backward, priest fearing society of the 20s-80s.

The MC-Ire today you enjoy is due to the slow and gradual programe of the EU27 (European) Project.

Guess this incident may have caused issues as
i) It isn't gradual/natural to +20-30% of a small towns population overnight.
ii) It isn't anything European, it's a mix of non-eu economic migration mixed with some genuine cases.
iiI) It isn't multi-cultural, in fact it's 'mono-culture' added to anther 'small rural mono-ish culture'.

tretorn · 13-02-2019 3:30pm

Odhinn wrote: »

So you agree with me then.

No, I dont agree with you.

I know a few Muslim families and in each of the families there are six children.

The girls are kept under tight control from age twelve, they go to school and thats about it. They dont mix with Irish girls because from twelve onwards the sexes tend to socialise together. The Muslims girls as soon as they got to eighteen were sent to Libya to be married and they have two or three children by aged twenty two. The husbands are picked out for them and as a young woman you have no choice but to obey your father. If you dont and you are lucky your family will never talk to you again, you could on the other hand find yourself being murdered in an honour killing by male relatives and none of your community will go to the Police Authorities if this happens. And on and on it goes and some fools here think for some reason the Irish experience will be different.

4068ac1elhodqr · 13-02-2019 3:34pm

Kivaro wrote: »

I'll tell you what; let's have a referendum on non-EU economic migration into Ireland or a referendum for changes to the existing asylum process. .

This has sort of happened in other countries, not via referendum, but regular elections results.

e.g. Italy's democratic elections voted in two new parties, they put an 'overnight stop order' on all people trafficing operations. Spain has now overtaken them as the route of choice.

e.g. But in Spain, parties such as Vox has increased their election performance by triple percentages in some regions.

e.g. Germany, the people decided that Merkel will never weild as much power again as she once ever again.

e.g. Sweden, the left SD had their worst result in 100yrs and Prime Minister Stefan Löfven lost a vote of no-confidence.

e.g. UK: Brexit, the 1st country to actually leave the EU, even knowing it will face food shortages, travel issues, and lighter wallets.

Odhinn · 13-02-2019 3:41pm

tretorn wrote: »

No, I dont agree with you.

I know a few Muslim families and in each of the families there are six children..

You seem to be mistaking your non-systematic anecdotal observations with researched fact

https://www.demographic-research.org...6/45/36-45.pdf

https://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/rb/RB_402LHRB.pdf

Incident at Roscommon hotel (asylum seekers)

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