Building a bike garage

D3V!L · 07-02-2019 3:10pm #1

I'm hopefully buying my first home soon and will need to build the most important part !! A BIG BLOODY GARAGE

The minister for finance has given me her backing and although nothing is in stone yet we've looked at prices for concrete builds.

The metal shed type are about half the price though. Does anyone know if the metal garages offer the same sort of protection as a concrete one, as in insulation, security etc ?

Anyone that did this recently with advice would be of great help.

Sonics2k · 07-02-2019 3:22pm

Don't have a shed myself, but I know a good few lads who do and I've helped put them together.

Metal or concrete, it's all pretty much the same if you build and maintain it properly. The main thing is a solid concrete base and ensuring proper ventilation is put in too. Concrete or metal, it'll get damp without getting air-flow right in there.

Most of the lads I know went to this lot
https://www.steeltechsheds.ie/products/steel-garages/

ratracer · 07-02-2019 3:39pm

Are you comparing like for like in terms of insulation of walls/ roof etc in your costs?

If the new house is expected to be your forever home, then I would go for a concrete structure as much as possible. Wire it appropriatly to inc TV, satellite, beer fridge etc, believe me they become very important

D3V!L · 07-02-2019 3:48pm

ratracer wrote: »

Are you comparing like for like in terms of insulation of walls/ roof etc in your costs?

If the new house is expected to be your forever home, then I would go for a concrete structure as much as possible. Wire it appropriatly to inc TV, satellite, beer fridge etc, believe me they become very important

Which would be easier to insulate or provide better insulation ?

ratracer · 07-02-2019 4:09pm

D3V!L wrote: »

Which would be easier to insulate or provide better insulation ?

Block shed would be similar construction of the walls of your house, but get an insulated door also. Insulated steel panels can have similar insulation properties, hence my previous question.

If you just get a standard steel shed it will have no insulation and be prone to condensation/ moisture.

In my case, I built a block garage and insulated the walls/ roof. I only put a cheap aluminium roller door in though, which has proven to be a mistake as it is impossible to stop draughty along it.

blade1 · 07-02-2019 4:19pm

ratracer wrote: »

I only put a cheap aluminium roller door in though, which has proven to be a mistake as it is impossible to stop draughty along it.

Same here with me.
Would have went with an up an over door had I known.

mamax · 07-02-2019 4:37pm

Concrete base, block walls and decent doors windows = lifetime job, If you max out you budget with that remember you can insulate/decorate with man cave stuff later on when you can afford to.

Here's a few money saving tips
use breathable felt for the roof so you can insulate right up to it.
keep an eye on donedeal for second hand windows and build to suit them
other building materials can be got second hand as well like insulation and timber
and for the love of god don't go out and buy a 50" tv for it before it's built

D3V!L · 07-02-2019 5:02pm

mamax wrote: »

Concrete base, block walls and decent doors windows = lifetime job, If you max out you budget with that remember you can insulate/decorate with man cave stuff later on when you can afford to.

Here's a few money saving tips
use breathable felt for the roof so you can insulate right up to it.
keep an eye on donedeal for second hand windows and build to suit them
other building materials can be got second hand as well like insulation and timber
and for the love of god don't go out and buy a 50" tv for it before it's built

It wont be a man cave , just a bike store and workshop. I was looking at precast concrete garages. They can go up quite quickly. I noticed a lot of the insulated Stealtech type sheds dont come with insulated doors. Quite the oversight.

LLewellen Farquarson · 07-02-2019 6:44pm

Got my shed from Kelly Barna, based in Wicklow (but travelled to Cork to me no problem)
Shed was erected in 1/2 day, measures 17x12 ft.
I had the base down.
Great concrete, preformed pebble-dashed panels.
Bike, tools etc are safe.
It isn't insulated, but could be by drylined using the wooden spacers between the panels.
Cost was around 5k around 10yrs ago.
Still good as new.

Del2005 · 09-02-2019 12:50am

Just make sure that it's joined to the house. I can't understand why people build a garage miles away from the house. What's the point of walking in the cold and rain to get to the garage?

listermint · 09-02-2019 9:19am

I've a double garage attached to the house. It came with the house. I can't tell you enough how having the garage connected to the house is important. I see zero tangible benefit to keeping it outside the envelope of the house.

thos · 09-02-2019 10:01am

Small warm bright workshop attached to house, and then a separate steel shed for storage. Don’t understand lads building massive garages and freezing their nuts off.

CJhaughey · 09-02-2019 10:41pm

Build it as big as you can, it will fill up quickly.

Del2005 · 10-02-2019 10:21am

CJhaughey wrote: »

Build it as big as you can, it will fill up quickly.

The bigger you build it the more crap you'll never use again you'll store in it. So the size doesn't matter as you'll still only end up with enough space to park the bike and/or car with a little bit of crawl space around them.

CJhaughey · 10-02-2019 1:51pm

Nah I don't agree.
You will want a workbench and some storage for stuff that will take up at least 2ft width and probably 6-10ft length.
Maybe a grinder or a drill press?
Hard to extend the shed to make space for that kind of stuff but easy to build enough space to have the choice of whether to fit it or not.

Dakotabigone · 10-02-2019 1:54pm

And expensive shirts.

Del2005 · 10-02-2019 2:03pm

CJhaughey wrote: »

Nah I don't agree.
You will want a workbench and some storage for stuff that will take up at least 2ft width and probably 6-10ft length.
Maybe a grinder or a drill press?
Hard to extend the shed to make space for that kind of stuff but easy to build enough space to have the choice of whether to fit it or not.

You must be unique as any other shed or garage I've been in, regardless of how big it was built, still has feck all room left with all the crap stored in it. The workbench could be 20m long but after a few years you'll have about 1m of workspace and unless you are regularly doing grinding/drilling they will be covered by something else you may need.

I'm not saying don't build it big, as you are correct it's difficult to extend, I'm just saying that like building more roads does not decrease traffic congestion building a big garage or shed doesn't guarantee that you will have loads of space to work.

galwaytt · 10-02-2019 10:57pm

Garage contents obey Boyles Law : they expand to fill all available volume. Ergo, build it any size you like.....

There's truth to Dels comment though.

At a minimum you need a parking space and a fixing space and at least a modest bench. Walls are underated for taking clutter off walls.

Oh, and, buy a bike lift/bench for working on your bike. The novelty of kneeling down no matter how grandiose your workshop quickly vanishes...and your joints will thank you.

D3V!L · 10-02-2019 10:59pm

galwaytt wrote: »

Garage contents obey Boyles Law : they expand to fill all available volume. Ergo, build it any size you like.....

I'm pretty OCD about keeping my garage tidy so it'll never fill with junk

galwaytt · 10-02-2019 11:04pm

D3V!L wrote: »

I'm pretty OCD about keeping my garage tidy so it'll never fill with junk

I hear ya. I started out like that too, when living at home in my mother's semi-d.

The current 8m x 12m emporium - with mezzanine lolz - wonders wtf happened to that guy... :rolleyes:

Oh, and, branching out into cars 'cos you have the space' doesn't help...

listermint · 10-02-2019 11:24pm

D3V!L wrote: »

I'm pretty OCD about keeping my garage tidy so it'll never fill with junk

I was too. Double garage turned into quarter of a single garage

D3V!L · 12-02-2019 7:32pm

Does the 25 sqm limit for garages apply if they are behind the house in the garden ?

I have my eye on a 35 sqm precast garage at the moment.

Dakotabigone · 12-02-2019 8:10pm

You can build it any size if you don’t put a concrete floor into it.

macplaxton · 13-02-2019 2:48am

D3V!L wrote: »

Does the 25 sqm limit for garages apply if they are behind the house in the garden ?

Yes.

See Class 3 exempted development:

CLASS 3

The construction, erection or placing within the curtilage of a house of any tent, awning, shade or other object, greenhouse, garage, store, shed or other similar structure.

1. No such structure shall be constructed, erected or placed forward of the front wall of a house.

2. The total area of such structures constructed, erected or placed within the curtilage of a house shall not, taken together with any other such structures previously constructed, erected or placed within the said curtilage, exceed 25 square metres.

3. The construction, erection or placing within the curtilage of a house of any such structure shall not reduce the amount of private open space reserved exclusively for the use of the occupants of the house to the rear or to the side of the house to less than 25 square metres.

4. The external finishes of any garage or other structure constructed, erected or placed to the side of a house, and the roof covering where any such structure has a tiled or slated roof, shall conform with those of the house.

5. The height of any such structure shall not exceed, in the case of a building with a tiled or slated pitched roof, 4 metres or, in any other case, 3 metres.

6. The structure shall not be used for human habitation or for the keeping of pigs, poultry, pigeons, ponies or horses, or for any other purpose other than a purpose incidental to the enjoyment of the house as such.

colm_c · 13-02-2019 9:19am

You'd need a big garden (at least in Dublin) for a 35sqm shed.

25sqm (minimum free space) + shed (35sqm) + 40sqm (if you ever want to an extension, which you probably will at some stage).

So that's 100sqm, there's houses with that in Dublin, but not many.

Outside Dublin, that's a small garden :-p

D3V!L · 13-02-2019 9:29am

colm_c wrote: »

You'd need a big garden (at least in Dublin) for a 35sqm shed.

25sqm (minimum free space) + shed (35sqm) + 40sqm (if you ever want to an extension, which you probably will at some stage).

So that's 100sqm, there's houses with that in Dublin, but not many.

Outside Dublin, that's a small garden :-p

I'm moving to Co.Dublin due to my needs. By needs I mean I need a big garage

Two big bikes with sticky-outy engines and possible more mean we need the room.

D3V!L · 13-02-2019 12:07pm

What view do insurance companies take on the likes of stealtech type sheds ?

blade1 · 13-02-2019 1:08pm

D3V!L wrote: »

What view do insurance companies take on the likes of stealtech type sheds ?

No difference to me with the last few years anyway.
There was a time when they'd ask me was it a concrete shed but surely any shed is only as secure as it's door, no?

The_Chap · 27-02-2019 1:23pm

In the middle of building 9m x 6m garage/man cave myself, going with block cavity rather than a prefab jobbie

D3V!L · 27-02-2019 1:26pm

I've decided on a 25sq meter shed from Shannette. I'll post progress picks when I get started.

The_Chap · 27-02-2019 1:31pm

D3V!L wrote: »

I've decided on a 25sq meter shed from Shannette. I'll post progress picks when I get started.

I hear they come recommended alright, good luck with it! I've a few progress pics of mine but I'll not highjack your thread lol

positron · 15-03-2019 1:50pm

I got an approximately 16 sq meter garage built couple of years ago, and now it's full of kids bikes, scooters, garden tools, this that and everything else, and yeah pedal bike on a trainer bang in the middle as well. My motorbike is back outside in the rain once again.

To be avenged as part of spring cleaning this year.

D3V!L · 27-03-2019 5:09pm

This is basically what I ordered from Shanette Sheds

Its 20’ x 15’ and exactly the same as the pictures except mine will have horizontal lapping. It's going to be started in the next few weeks so I'll put up some progress pics.

HappyAsLarE · 27-03-2019 9:58pm

How much bud? And are you doing the base yourself?

D3V!L · 27-03-2019 10:02pm

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

How much bud? And are you doing the base yourself?

No, I'm getting someone to do that and the electrical. It'll be about 10 grand all in. Well that's what I'm hoping

D3V!L · 03-04-2019 10:52am

Can anyone recommend a contractor to do a concrete base ? I'm not having much luck with the suggested one from the shed company.

The_Chap · 03-04-2019 2:40pm

D3V!L wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a contractor to do a concrete base ? I'm not having much luck with the suggested one from the shed company.

Theshedcompany over at Johnstown Garden centre offer that service, maybe worth giving them a call

listermint · 03-04-2019 2:58pm

D3V!L wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a contractor to do a concrete base ? I'm not having much luck with the suggested one from the shed company.

Consider a landscaper gardener . Patios etc . Get quotes from a few for the base and make sure to understand what depths the price has on it.

This is bread and butter stuff for them

D3V!L · 03-04-2019 4:02pm

The_Chap wrote: »

Theshedcompany over at Johnstown Garden centre offer that service, maybe worth giving them a call

They only do the bases for their own sheds.

Hotblack Desiato · 03-04-2019 6:08pm

Whatever you do, make sure there's a proper damp-proof course in the concrete

The_Chap · 09-04-2019 8:22pm

That’s where mine is up to so far, roof on at weekend all going to plan

listermint · 09-04-2019 8:39pm

Flat roof ?

Unusual enough to see.

The_Chap · 09-04-2019 8:56pm

listermint wrote: »

Flat roof ?

Unusual enough to see.

That’s the loft floor, gables and roof to go up yet

Mech1 · 09-04-2019 10:03pm

If your in Dublin, I could possibly recommend someone to do the base. He done my 55 sqm proffesional garage he is based in Deansgrange.

D3V!L · 10-04-2019 7:58am

Mech1 wrote: »

If your in Dublin, I could possibly recommend someone to do the base. He done my 55 sqm proffesional garage he is based in Deansgrange.

Yes please , can you drop me a pm with the details. A garage that was meant to go down at the start of May is now the end of May. :mad:

Mech1 · 10-04-2019 9:19am

D3V!L wrote: »

Yes please , can you drop me a pm with the details. A garage that was meant to go down at the start of May is now the end of May. :mad:

You have a pm.

Mech1 · 10-04-2019 9:12pm

let me know how you get on

dec_82 · 21-04-2019 10:12pm

To add on to this, I'm in the market myself for a new storage solution.

Has anyone heard much about asgard sheds and whether you can pick them up yourself from the uk ?

http://www.asgardsss.co.uk/motorbike-storage-garage

listermint · 21-04-2019 11:22pm

dec_82 wrote: »

To add on to this, I'm in the market myself for a new storage solution.

Has anyone heard much about asgard sheds and whether you can pick them up yourself from the uk ?

http://www.asgardsss.co.uk/motorbike-storage-garage

Why, you can get the equivalent here ..

dec_82 · 21-04-2019 11:36pm

listermint wrote: »

Why, you can get the equivalent here ..

Really? Sweet I was struggling to find an irish equivalent. Would you have a link to hand?

Many thanks

listermint · 22-04-2019 6:44am

dec_82 wrote: »

Really? Sweet I was struggling to find an irish equivalent. Would you have a link to hand?

Many thanks

Throw metal sheds Ireland into Google.

You will see a vast array of Irish suppliers

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