Irish Promotions Thread *Please read post 1* (*Mod Warning Post #3947)

Davy05 wrote: »

I've had Scotty Davis entrance music stuck in my head since last night! Can anyone tell me the name of the tune?

Here, learn every word or else you're a disgusting filthy casual.

showpony1 wrote: »

Will Courage draw a crowd this saturday night?

I really hope so! Would love to see the Button Factory hold more wrestling! Great card, and my own biases aside, it looks like it'll be great fun!

Over 18's show, anything can happen, why not!? Cheap tickets too like!

showpony1 wrote: »

what bias have you got Brian?

I shot their December hype video and will probably be doing the same again with the lads from GG media for this one.

I do feel like Button Factory has the faint possibility of being like early days Tivoli. I go to indy wrestling in general to revel in the absurdity of it, the crowd interactions and the wrestling obviously. Looking at the card and the venue and the ticket prices, this has huge potential to be a great night

brianblaze wrote: »

I do feel like Button Factory has the faint possibility of being like early days Tivoli. I go to indy wrestling in general to revel in the absurdity of it, the crowd interactions and the wrestling obviously. Looking at the card and the venue and the ticket prices, this has huge potential to be a great night

Any idea what the seating situation be like or be mostly standing like tivoli?

showpony1 wrote: »

or was it teaming with the Low Blows guys that put people off?

Why would that put people off?

showpony1 wrote: »

Hopefully they can run the show, sad to see so many workers messed around by Courage/Low Blows

I know you’re looking for a reaction, but cop on with the defamatory comments and know what you’re talking about before you comment. Low Blows messed nobody around. I personally got all of the talent paid today (while forgoing my own payday) by publicly and privately putting pressure on the promoters. I’ve spent the week working my hole off trying to save this show and refusing to pull out, despite realising how many mess ups there had been, trying to find replacements (and succeeding) so lads would be able to wrestle.

The show wasn’t cancelled because of ‘low’ ticket sales. Sales were near identical to the pre-sales for FFPW last week, a well-attended show. The show was cancelled because the promoters over-projected their sales to a totally unrealistic level (30-40% of sales for a 500-capacity venue a week out from the show, nobody does these numbers outside of OTT) and the venue found out. They then cancelled to preserve their relationship with the venue for non-wrestling projects. I have all this in writing because I made sure they texted me rather than called because I sensed something was up this morning. I then personally put out the news myself, fully accountable, so there’d be minimal confusion. Low Blows did nothing wrong. We were bang in-line for our realistic projections, did way more work than we agreed to, got zero pay or thanks and put together a fun, different card (which was supposed to be our only job).

Gutted it's not happening! Judging by twitter though there seems to be a weird partisan bias toward's Dublin Indys. Even Phoenix said they wouldn't run Dublin because they like OTT?

Was there some crazy unspoken bad blood between the 2 companies or was it all just fans picking sides?

showpony1 wrote: »

OTT definitely weren't happy about them moving in on the market - i would say most of their hardcore wouldn't go to Courage. Any Courage talent generally isn't booked by OTT (bar PAC), and i think WWE parties fell out with them previously so had nothing to lose by getting involved with this.

So at all the courage shows in Swords, I saw a lot of fans that went to OTT shows. It seems very odd for me, as a fan, to not watch wrestling because it's from a different company! Jaysus 16 years ago when IWW were opening the school up fans and wrestlers would have killed to have a few options to go to!

And as for wrestlers, the more places they have to go and make a pay day, the better for them!

Since the workers were paid by courage already does this mean a double pay day?

Their Courage pay will pay for their travel to Cork.

showpony1 wrote: »

They should make the next national basketball arena show byob since a bar is too expensive.

Think you need a different license for that! (Also what large venue is going to let that happen!?)

noisenotmusic wrote: »

there was several thousand people at the show.

biggest exaggeration made on this thread?
(other than that Courage had sold well).

brianblaze wrote: »

You have a very negative viewpoint on stuff it seems

just speaking the truth/my opinion Brian,
i can't help that some posters were actively involved with the Courage project.


€25 for Liger M&G isn't too bad.

D.Q wrote: »

That was the one thing I'd change about the OTT show last week. Would have been good to get a few pints. Doesn't need to be BYOB but a few pints in plastic cups would have been nice.

A show built on cheap cans of Tennant's has gone sober


There wasn't much officially said about this but a few responses from OTT to people on Facebook and Twitter said it was "too expensive" to have a bar.


I assume its not a normally licensed premises (which GAA halls like Suir Road would be), so I wonder the cost of even selling cans with plastic cups like they did in Tivoli or a bottle bar.


OTT have such a following now that can get away with not having drink at all so probably will be the same if in Basketball stadium again - though a Saturday night could be interesting.

brianblaze wrote: »

Given it started with the lure of 3 cans for a tenner, it's weird to see how much the promotion has changed!

Great long term booking
Top notch imports
Amazing home grown talent
Booze not being an essential part of the drawing power

Heady days

yeah its a completely different ball game now in terms of direction - back then there wasn't the big indie scene then so they were trying to generate their own buzz using Gimmicks/Ex-WWE guys and Cans. Still would love to experience one of those old school packed out Tivoli's again like Ah Ted.

noisenotmusic wrote: »

The capacity of the Arena is 2.5k officially, they had one side gone for the entrance but the floor was covered with seats as well. Pretty much every seat was full, it would be easily a couple of thousand there.

There wasn’t “several” thousand there mate as you said which means more than 3,000. There may have been 1,500. In your opinion that was the biggest attendance in ott history so. Happy for you to come back with the official number

brianblaze wrote: »

Can't we all just be fans and not argue over exactly how successful something is, and just be happy it is successful?

Was happy not to continue discussing that but the guy came back doubling down

Id Prob describe myself as more a student of the craft than a fan

leggo wrote: »

Mate stop. Some of the stuff you're saying is laughable to anyone who's working within the industry (I'd happily break down how to you if you like but I don't want to full on have a go either). There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a fan, it's probably the least strenuous and most consistently rewarding relationship you can have with wrestling.

If you want to be an actual student, come down to a training school or, if you don't want to actually wrestle, figure out another way you can offer something to promotions that they don't have already (like Brian did sure), and you can easily learn how it all works from the inside. It's more accessible here now than it ever has been before! But, as it stands, you're coming across patronising to other fans when you've no right to be and coming across as ignorant and a bit cringe to anyone who reads your stuff and knows the suss. It's like saying you're a student of movies without ever being near a movie set or doing a class on it and your only qualification is "Yeah I've watched a fair few movies." That's not what a student is...

The student thing was a tongue In cheek comment mate but thanks for not having a “full on” go at me it seems to be a subject you’re sensitive around by the looks of it!

Wesley Red Zipper wrote: »

Lad is there any chance you could stop needling at people?

No worries

I see Pentagon jnr was announced for UK shows so probably can expect him on OTT in April.