Dog choice help

wobert · 22-07-2019 8:37pm #1

Hi all. Family have decided they want a dog. Two kids age 11 and 9. When I was young my House had German pointers, Springer spaniels, Jack russells and a rottweiler at various times. And loads of cats so I Am grand with them all.
Has to be smallish dog, i would like a Jack Russell and my wife likes King charles. We Both dislike other Persons choice and are considering a beagle. We discussed getting a dog from pound but a few Friends did it recently and the dogs are nuts. No problem walking it and can bring to work so wouldn’t be left alone.
Can anyone advise on beagles or other breed. I want a dog with intelligence and personality. I know that’s luck of the draw though.

peasant · 22-07-2019 9:30pm

I'd advise against the King Charles...on health grounds. That breed can go very wrong, very expensive and very painful (for both owner and the poor dog)

Clever little Terrier mix from a rescue would be my choice...abundant supply out there.
Pick a cute one that you all can agree on.

wobert · 22-07-2019 10:57pm

peasant wrote: »

I'd advise against the King Charles...on health grounds. That breed can go very wrong, very expensive and very painful (for both owner and the poor dog)

Clever little Terrier mix from a rescue would be my choice...abundant supply out there.
Pick a cute one that you all can agree on.

Thanks for reply. I really don’t like King Charles so not under consideration.My wife might be retaliating by ruling out jack Russell’s. I was open to rescue dog because there are so many that need a home but a few of my wife’s friends adopted dogs recently and are finding them difficult, probably due to previous mistreatment. So wife doesn’t want to go that route. This will be our first dog so they want to get from puppy stage. Will definitely get rescue dog in a few years I think

lashes34 · 23-07-2019 10:11am

I would go for a terrier mix from a rescue. Loads out there at puppy stage so less likely to have issues. Where are you and we might be able to recommend a good rescue by PM.

wobert · 23-07-2019 1:56pm

thanks for your reply, we are in Dublin 3. I told my wife its possible to get rescue puppies. seemingly herself and kids have decided on a beagle and have picked a name. We won't be getting a dog until mid September at least. I would like to explore rescue option more. health wise I assume there is more of a risk with a rescue dog than getting from a breeder. or is inbreeding an issue.

cocker5 · 23-07-2019 1:59pm

wobert wrote: »

thanks for your reply, we are in Dublin 3. I told my wife its possible to get rescue puppies. seemingly herself and kids have decided on a beagle and have picked a name. We won't be getting a dog until mid September at least. I would like to explore rescue option more. health wise I assume there is more of a risk with a rescue dog than getting from a breeder. or is inbreeding an issue.

Beagles are not for the faint hearted OP .. please don’t get a dog based on looks .. your in for a shock

Op your last comment unfortunately shows serious lack of knowledge.. please please do lots of research .. and not just via boards

daheff · 23-07-2019 2:02pm

Labrador or a golden retriever

Both good friendly dogs. Might be a bit big though?

Beagles ,while nice, tend to want to follow scents, so if they escape could run off.

Also maybe think about a cocker spaniel?

charlietheminxx · 23-07-2019 2:04pm

Instead of setting your hearts on a breed, why don't you just wait and see what's going when the time comes? A mixed breed dog is generally a healthier option. Pure breeds, there will always be a risk of breed specific issues, but no, a rescue is not higher risk than a breeder and with a rescue your puppy will at least have been assessed health-wise and given their first set of jabs.

If you're looking for somewhere to start looking, maybe try <snip>

wobert · 23-07-2019 2:18pm

daheff wrote: »

Labrador or a golden retriever

Both good friendly dogs. Might be a bit big though?

Beagles ,while nice, tend to want to follow scents, so if they escape could run off.

Also maybe think about a cocker spaniel?

Thanks for your reply. Yes both lovely dogs, We did think they might be too big for house/ garden.
I did read that beagles they can do a legger if onto a good scent.
Whatever dog we get would be getting 2 hours exercise a day at least.
Cocker spaniels are too close to King Charles for my liking. Our neighbour has one. Springer Spaniels are very nice. our family had two, from same litter. one was a really good dog, the other was demented. our friends have one and he is also demented so wife has ruled them out.

wobert · 23-07-2019 2:30pm

charlietheminxx wrote: »

Instead of setting your hearts on a breed, why don't you just wait and see what's going when the time comes? A mixed breed dog is generally a healthier option. Pure breeds, there will always be a risk of breed specific issues, but no, a rescue is not higher risk than a breeder and with a rescue your puppy will at least have been assessed health-wise and given their first set of jabs.

If you're looking for somewhere to start looking, maybe try <snip>

Thanks for your reply. We won't rush into getting anything in particular. I want to do good bit of research anyway. pure breed isn't a requirement for me at all. My wife has been put off rescue dog option because of friends dogs, the dogs are nice but damaged from lack of care. I would still consider it, will have a look at various websites.

Ann22 · 23-07-2019 2:56pm

Adopting a dog from a Rescue would be wiser than buying a pup as with a rescue you have a trial period before adoption and experienced rescue back up for help and advice. When you buy a pup you have no idea of temperament or energy level. Beagles are gorgeous although high energy and natural born scent chasers. He will need plenty of attention and walks and is a pack dog so will be happier with company even his human "pack" Although there are variations in every breed.
You could submit your details with a rescue and they will keep you in mind. A good rehoming person will have a feel for what dogs will suit and will contact you when one is available for a meet and greet.

charlietheminxx · 23-07-2019 2:58pm

wobert wrote: »

Thanks for your reply. We won't rush into getting anything in particular. I want to do good bit of research anyway. pure breed isn't a requirement for me at all. My wife has been put off rescue dog option because of friends dogs, the dogs are nice but damaged from lack of care. I would still consider it, will have a look at various websites.

I know you were mentioning this about pounds before, and yes pound dogs can be very damaged, but rescues aren't the same. They can still have some dogs with very bad backgrounds who need extra care, but they won't just land them on someone who isn't able for their needs.

In the good places, you go in and they help you find the right dog for you. There are a lot of collie-crosses and lab-crosses in the rescues, either are a great family dog (I see you can give them 2 hours of walking a day, which is great!). Most of the rescues won't have their puppies online, because they want people to see the older dogs and fall in love with them (they can be harder to home).

I couldn't even tell you what my dog is - at various times she has been described as a terrier/pointer/staffie/jack-russell/lab mix :P She is herself anyway, best dog anyone could ask for and she was a puppy from a rescue. She had been fostered before we took her (at about 15 weeks old) and was crate trained, almost fully house-trained and was already starting to learn tricks.

wobert · 23-07-2019 3:09pm

Ann22 wrote: »

Adopting a dog from as Rescue would be wiser than buying a pup as with a rescue you have a trial period before adoption and experienced rescue back up for help and advice. When you buy a pup you have no idea of temperament or energy level. Beagles are gorgeous although high energy and natural born scent chasers. He will need plenty of attention and walks and is a pack dog so will be happier with company. Although there are variations in every breed.
You could submit your details with a rescue and they will keep you in mind. A good rehoming person will have a feel for what dogs will suit and will contact you when one is available for a meet and greet.

Thats really helpful, thank you.

Bannasidhe · 23-07-2019 3:09pm

As other posters have said OP, a good Rescue will know the temperaments of the dogs they have and will do their very best to match with your family.
They will also supply back-up.

I'm confused why you think rescue dogs would have more health issues than a dog from a breeder. In my experience it's the opposite. We have 5 dogs (jacks) - the only one who isn't a rescue still suffers health problems which the vet diagnosed (at great expense) as stemming from having pneumonia as a pup that was left untreated. We bought her when she was 9 weeks old. Saw both her Dam and Sire, researched the breeder etc. What we couldn't see was the damage to her lungs caused by the same breeder not bothering to get her treated.

Most rescue dogs arn't 'broken' - some just had the misfortune to be owned by broken humans. Plus there are many dogs in rescue for genuine reasons - particularly now when people are finding it so hard to get rental accommodation that will accept dogs.

And - rescue's do have puppies as well. Puppies that will have been vet checked.

tk123 · 23-07-2019 3:10pm

I have 2 x retrievers and a small terraced house - they just need couch space lol

OP there's nothing wrong with researching different breeds even if you do go the rescue route so you know what traits you can expect? A reputable breeder would imo be more choosey/picky than a rescue too as to who they let take one of their pups too.

Bannasidhe · 23-07-2019 3:15pm

tk123 wrote: »

A reputable breeder would imo be more choosey/picky than a rescue too as to who they let take one of their pups too.

I don't think you have experienced just how choosey/picky a reputable rescue is when it comes to who can adopt... :P

I could be wrong - and open to correction - but I have never heard of a breeder doing a Home Check. Nor were we ever home checked back in the days when we did buy off breeders.

wobert · 23-07-2019 3:23pm

charlietheminxx wrote: »

I know you were mentioning this about pounds before, and yes pound dogs can be very damaged, but rescues aren't the same. They can still have some dogs with very bad backgrounds who need extra care, but they won't just land them on someone who isn't able for their needs.

In the good places, you go in and they help you find the right dog for you. There are a lot of collie-crosses and lab-crosses in the rescues, either are a great family dog (I see you can give them 2 hours of walking a day, which is great!). Most of the rescues won't have their puppies online, because they want people to see the older dogs and fall in love with them (they can be harder to home).

I couldn't even tell you what my dog is - at various times she has been described as a terrier/pointer/staffie/jack-russell/lab mix :P She is herself anyway, best dog anyone could ask for and she was a puppy from a rescue. She had been fostered before we took her (at about 15 weeks old) and was crate trained, almost fully house-trained and was already starting to learn tricks.

Thank you, I will look into the rescue places. your dog sounds great, good personality/character would be my main hope. We only decided yesterday that we would get a dog after kids begging for a year so will be careful in deciding.
if anyone could recommend rescue centres to contact that would be really helpful.collie- crosses sound good.
Im not sure how beagle became the preferred choice tbh, my aunt had one when I was a kid and he was lovely. dog would get lot of attention and exercise no matter what one we get.

tk123 · 23-07-2019 3:29pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I don't think you have experienced just how choosey/picky a reputable rescue is when it comes to who can adopt... :P

I could be wrong - and open to correction - but I have never heard of a breeder doing a Home Check. Nor were we ever home checked back in the days when we did buy off breeders.

Well I know at least one breeder who background checks anyone who contacts her lol and rightly so!

Knine · 23-07-2019 3:36pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I don't think you have experienced just how choosey/picky a reputable rescue is when it comes to who can adopt... :P

I could be wrong - and open to correction - but I have never heard of a breeder doing a Home Check. Nor were we ever home checked back in the days when we did buy off breeders.

I think you missed out the word Reputable. The huge amount of time & effort I put into my dogs. I can tell you I am far more fussy then any rescue! Plus unlike rescue dogs the parents of any pups from here have certified health checks.

Also you need to make sure any rescue you use is also Reputable. I saw a thread elsewhere a few days ago. A very experienced lady wanted to rescue a Husky & the Rescue refused. Made all sorts of excuses that the woman was not a suitable owner. The rescue involved had several of their dogs shot for worrying sheep.

wobert · 23-07-2019 3:37pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

As other posters have said OP, a good Rescue will know the temperaments of the dogs they have and will do their very best to match with your family.
They will also supply back-up.

I'm confused why you think rescue dogs would have more health issues than a dog from a breeder. In my experience it's the opposite. We have 5 dogs (jacks) - the only one who isn't a rescue still suffers health problems which the vet diagnosed (at great expense) as stemming from having pneumonia as a pup that was left untreated. We bought her when she was 9 weeks old. Saw both her Dam and Sire, researched the breeder etc. What we couldn't see was the damage to her lungs caused by the same breeder not bothering to get her treated.

Most rescue dogs arn't 'broken' - some just had the misfortune to be owned by broken humans. Plus there are many dogs in rescue for genuine reasons - particularly now when people are finding it so hard to get rental accommodation that will accept dogs.

And - rescue's do have puppies as well. Puppies that will have been vet checked.

Thanks,I just wondered about the health because I suppose you wouldn't know the history of the dog from rescue where as presumably a dog breeder would.
we had a German pointer from a breeder and he cost a fortune in vet bills due to eye problems so I understand it can happen no matter where pet comes from.
I probably shouldn't have mentioned it.
Friends got a dog recently from Rescue centre. It was badly mistreated with previous owner. They said it was about 8 years old but it acts like its 18 years old. Its really nice but terrified of everything. sleeps non stop.

Choc Chip · 23-07-2019 3:43pm

wobert wrote: »

if anyone could recommend rescue centres to contact that would be really helpful.collie- crosses sound good.

Just on collie crosses, I've had 2 as fosters and dog number one essentially took after his sighthound half - he was as laid back as they come, crashed on the sofa, did the occassional zoomie, soft as butter and half as bright. Lovely dog.

Dog number 2 was more on the collie side - massively bright (I started doing agility with her), brave as a lion, no concept of danger (she scaled 7.5ft walls and climbed on/through EVERYTHING) and when she got bored she would escape from anywhere. She needed a job (though she adored kids and is getting on really well with a family now).

I suppose my point is that the above 2 dogs were the same cross but chalk and cheese. I'd start with what you plan to do every day with your dog, what personality traits you want, size, amount of shedding and pick something that fits (whether that's a breed or an individual dog in rescue).

I wouldn't go the pound route if you're worried about issues, but a good rescue should be able to set you up with a dog that suits if you use one that fosters the dogs out. Or a GOOD breeder will give you direction on whether the particular breed will fit your lifestyle and what you plan to do.

wobert · 23-07-2019 3:46pm

tk123 wrote: »

I have 2 x retrievers and a small terraced house - they just need couch space lol OP there's nothing wrong with researching different breeds even if you do go the rescue route so you know what traits you can expect? A reputable breeder would imo be more choosey/picky than a rescue too as to who they let take one of their pups too.

Retrievers seem like lovely dogs. we would have same house size also.
loads of research to be done before decision made and I really appreciate everyones comments.

wobert · 23-07-2019 3:56pm

Choc Chip wrote: »

Just on collie crosses, I've had 2 as fosters and dog number one essentially took after his sighthound half - he was as laid back as they come, crashed on the sofa, did the occassional zoomie, soft as butter and half as bright. Lovely dog.

Dog number 2 was more on the collie side - massively bright (I started doing agility with her), brave as a lion, no concept of danger (she scaled 7.5ft walls and climbed on/through EVERYTHING) and when she got bored she would escape from anywhere. She needed a job (though she adored kids and is getting on really well with a family now).

I suppose my point is that the above 2 dogs were the same cross but chalk and cheese. I'd start with what you plan to do every day with your dog, what personality traits you want, size, amount of shedding and pick something that fits (whether that's a breed or an individual dog in rescue).

I wouldn't go the pound route if you're worried about issues, but a good rescue should be able to set you up with a dog that suits if you use one that fosters the dogs out. Or a GOOD breeder will give you direction on whether the particular breed will fit your lifestyle and what you plan to do.

I would prefer short haired dog, still at early stage of deciding. will look at rescue option as well as breeders. More family discussions needed. I think it will have to be a puppy, probably non negotiable with the kids. Good to know this is option with rescue.
other friends got a rescue dog a few years ago and I think the rescue centre went to check their house.

Bannasidhe · 23-07-2019 4:00pm

Knine wrote: »

I think you missed out the word Reputable. The huge amount of time & effort I put into my dogs. I can tell you I am far more fussy then any rescue! Plus unlike rescue dogs the parents of any pups from here have certified health checks.

Also you need to make sure any rescue you use is also Reputable. I saw a thread elsewhere a few days ago. A very experienced lady wanted to rescue a Husky & the Rescue refused. Made all sorts of excuses that the woman was not a suitable owner. The rescue involved had several of their dogs shot for worrying sheep.

You seem to have taken my post personally.

All I can say is that in all my 50 odd years of having dogs - all of which were bought off reputable breeders and ranged from IKC registered corgis to IKC registered West Highland Terriers to IKC registered King Charles not once were we home checked.

I fail to see what someone being refused a husky has to do with dogs being shot tbh - they are two separate issues - but I agree that not all rescues are reputable, but it isn't that difficult to find out which are. It's rather more difficult to find out which breeders are as some of the more unscrupulous ones know how to put on a show for potential buyers.

Do you homecheck?

As for pups - many pups are born in rescues so yes, their dams would be vet checked.

Knine · 23-07-2019 4:17pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

You seem to have taken my post personally.

All I can say is that in all my 50 odd years of having dogs - all of which were bought off reputable breeders and ranged from IKC registered corgis to IKC registered West Highland Terriers to IKC registered King Charles not once were we home checked.

I fail to see what someone being refused a husky has to do with dogs being shot tbh - they are two separate issues - but I agree that not all rescues are reputable, but it isn't that difficult to find out which are. It's rather more difficult to find out which breeders are as some of the more unscrupulous ones know how to put on a show for potential buyers.

Do you homecheck?

As for pups - many pups are born in rescues so yes, their dams would be vet checked.

If they were Reputable they would homecheck. IKC Reg does not mean Reputable. The fact they did not check you out says it all really.

So you are telling me that Rescues hip/elbow, patella, eye, heart check the rescue dogs? Really? I can tell you that does not happen

My point was the 'Husky Rescue' was anything but Reputable. Their dogs were responsible for worrying sheep!

borderlinemeath · 23-07-2019 4:33pm

I'm fostering a Beagle cross at the moment. She's a ball of energy, enthusiasm, part grasshopper/kangaroo and am appetite that doesn't stop. NOTHING edible can be left in reach, and by reach I mean in the room behind a locked door. Counter tops are easy for jumping, if I've washed a bowl she'll rob the brush out of the sink to check for morsels of food on it, and she'll knock over a wheelie bin if she thinks there's anything worthwhile in it. No chance of ever lettiing her off lead as she will fpllow her nose and has zero recall. Beagles and their crosses are hard work - this poor girl has had a family that couldn't keep up with her already, so please don't go by what the dog looks like, and try and focus on personality and whether it's a good fit for your family life.

Also, short dog hair sticks in EVERYTHING. Carpets, rugs, cushions, upholstery, and all your clothes. I find course short hair way harder to remove than finer wavy hair.

Choc Chip · 23-07-2019 4:36pm

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Also, short dog hair sticks in EVERYTHING. Carpets, rugs, cushions, upholstery, and all your clothes. I find course short hair way harder to remove than finer wavy hair.

I love jackers. Love em. Love the ball of energy and over-the-top fiestiness.

Wouldn't have one in a fit. Can't stand all that white hair on my inevitably black clothes.

And I say that as someone with a German Shepherd cross who spends 90% of their life vacuuming (and who will probably get another).

Bannasidhe · 23-07-2019 4:39pm

Knine wrote: »

If they were Reputable they would homecheck. IKC Reg does not mean Reputable. The fact they did not check you out says it all really.

So you are telling me that Rescues hip/elbow, patella, eye, heart check the rescue dogs? Really? I can tell you that does not happen

My point was the 'Husky Rescue' was anything but Reputable. Their dogs were responsible for worrying sheep!

I have already said not all those who claim the title of "rescue" are reputable but it is easy enough to find out who is and who isn't.
Most certainly every breeder isn't reputable and it is not so easy to find out who is and who isn't.

Reputable Rescues do not breed for profit. The pups born in them are the result of them taking in pregnant bitches.

But you know what, this thread isn't about Rescue Vs Breeder as you seem so intent on making it. If you want to open a thread on that topic go right ahead.

The OP didn't seem to realise that Breeder does not = healthy dog or the extent that Reputable rescues go to to ensure a good match between dog and adopter. Or that rescues have puppies.
Now the OP does and can make a more informed decision.

Bannasidhe · 23-07-2019 4:41pm

Choc Chip wrote: »

I love jackers. Love em. Love the ball of energy and over-the-top fiestiness.

Wouldn't have one in a fit. Can't stand all that white hair on my inevitably black clothes.

And I say that as someone with a German Shepherd cross who spends 90% of their life vacuuming (and who will probably get another).

I have 5 jacks.
I gave up black clothes many years ago - and navy. Nothing attracts jack hairs like navy.

Abba987 · 23-07-2019 4:41pm

<snip> would be a good place if your interested in puppies. Or the <snip>

I did get a dog from the pound and he was a saint. So grateful . He's a few years passed now and we have another mix. She is literally irreplaceable. Nobody knows what she's a mix of.

Keep an open mind until you see what's out there

Choc Chip · 23-07-2019 4:43pm

wobert wrote: »

I would prefer short haired dog, still at early stage of deciding. will look at rescue option as well as breeders. More family discussions needed. I think it will have to be a puppy, probably non negotiable with the kids. Good to know this is option with rescue.
other friends got a rescue dog a few years ago and I think the rescue centre went to check their house.

Okay, if you're set on a pup, you've a few options:

1. A breeder, found on the internet who will sell you a IKC reg. pedigree pup.
2. A breeder who, through your research you've decided is reputable (health checks relevant diseases/conditions, inbreeding coefficients, has a purpose for breeding, raises pups in the house with relevant socialisation to household noises, cares about where their pups go and what happens to them).
3. A rescue crossbreed pup
4. A purebred rescue pup

Number 1 I don't personally agree with ethically. There are lots of pups around and there's no need for more. Plus without the health checks you're potentially setting yourself up for heartbreak and/or huge medical bills and a shortened lifespan. Without good early nutrition and socialisation there's also the possibility of behavioural problems down the road which can be just as dangerous, upsetting and costly.

Number 2 you're paying more money for, but you're starting off on a much better foundation and you've a better chance of escaping huge vet bills in future. Plus that early socialisation (vaccums, washing machines, kids, the hairdryer - everything really) will set you up for a lot of success, but you have to be willing to put the work in to develop it.

Number 3 is a crapshoot if I'm honest. You might get the traits of either breed and any set of health issues so you HAVE to be willing to take on the health issues and traits of either breed, as you did in option one (but spread across the breeds in the mix). On the plus side, you'll likely pay less money and if the foster in the rescue is good, the puppies will have had good nutrition and good early socialisation

Number 4. You're limiting the health issues to one breed, but again you have unknown parent history so you have to take in the potential future health downsides of option 1, but at a lower cost, without the ethical issues and with the added bonus of good socialisation (if rescue and foster is good). It's a middle ground I suppose, but you have to see whether you're willing to take the risks of this v option 2.

Rootsblower · 23-07-2019 4:44pm

Would you consider a greyhound or greyhound mix. They’re super laid back dont need big walks, really friendly and adaptable to any environment. I have to say they make wonderful pets and as we know there’s plenty that need a good home.

Choc Chip · 23-07-2019 4:44pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I have 5 jacks.
I gave up black clothes many years ago - and navy. Nothing attracts jack hairs like navy.

I went to visit somewhere as a wedding venue.

I was wearing a burgundy felt jacket.

I think the venue were traumatized when the jack who called it home got off my lap....

thomas anderson. · 23-07-2019 4:48pm

Get something that does not shed.

If my fella wasnt so damn handsome he'd have been out the door a long time ago

Choc Chip · 23-07-2019 4:52pm

Oh, and OP, with all of the above, I'd 100% recommend an older dog with kids. If a puppy develops an issue, you have a problem. An older rescue dog who has a settled personality and who has been in foster with kids and actively loves them and comes along house trained etc is a god send. I understand if you don't want to go that route though.

borderlinemeath · 23-07-2019 4:52pm

thomas anderson. wrote: »

Get something that does not shed.

If my fella wasnt so damn handsome he'd have been out the door a long time ago

They all shed! Just some less than others. I have 4 red setters, they shed, but it gathers into fine dust bunnies that are easily swept up. There's some dogs that you could stuff a cushion with the amount of hair that they shed.

Choc Chip · 23-07-2019 4:54pm

borderlinemeath wrote: »

They all shed! Just some less than others. I have 4 red setters, they shed, but it gathers into fine dust bunnies that are easily swept up. There's some dogs that you could stuff a cushion with the amount of hair that they shed.

Yeah, but my terrier (as a "non-shed" breed) spills a lot less on my floor. He does have a pile more left on my clothes though. Suppose it depends what you're more bothered by.

Can someone tell me whether poodles are actually totally non-shed because if they are I'm just getting poodles from now on.

Dubl07 · 23-07-2019 4:54pm

Have you considered fostering for a bit?

23-07-2019 4:56pm

I believe Beagles have intelligence, good temperament, decent health and reasonable longevity, but must be kept on mead as they chase scents. Overall great choice of dog and there are responsible breeders who supply the hunt kennels in Kildare etc. Do not buy online, see the breeding centre.

As regards rescue dogs, many but not all require a commitment to training as very often they have received none due to poor original owners. There are good rescue dogs whose owners were single people who became ill or died. I’ve handled rescue dogs l, such as Siberian Huskies who have been really sound dogs temperamentally, but that their previous owners were just not suited to their demands for company and frequent walks. Greyhounds make really good pets too, but like the beagle must be kept on a lead at all times. If the dog is bred for hunting of any kind, other than a pointer/retriever, it often needs to be always in a lead.

One small breed that is possibly the most intelligent of all breeds, and long lived into the bargain, is the tough little Papillon, about the size of a Jack Russell. I saw two of them score tops at any obedience trial, and didn’t require constant prompting of trainer/owner. Way ahead of the Border Collies However one needs to choose from a good breeder as a few lines have a blindness gene called Progressive Retinal Atrophy. Interestingly the breed has been used as guide dogs, and excel as such, but because of their small size and relative invisibility are not commonly used as such.

wobert · 23-07-2019 4:56pm

borderlinemeath wrote: »

I'm fostering a Beagle cross at the moment. She's a ball of energy, enthusiasm, part grasshopper/kangaroo and am appetite that doesn't stop. NOTHING edible can be left in reach, and by reach I mean in the room behind a locked door. Counter tops are easy for jumping, if I've washed a bowl she'll rob the brush out of the sink to check for morsels of food on it, and she'll knock over a wheelie bin if she thinks there's anything worthwhile in it. No chance of ever lettiing her off lead as she will fpllow her nose and has zero recall. Beagles and their crosses are hard work - this poor girl has had a family that couldn't keep up with her already, so please don't go by what the dog looks like, and try and focus on personality and whether it's a good fit for your family life.

Also, short dog hair sticks in EVERYTHING. Carpets, rugs, cushions, upholstery, and all your clothes. I find course short hair way harder to remove than finer wavy hair.

Thanks, when growing up our family always had at least two dogs. so I am used to many different types and know how to care for them. Our friends pointer is like your foster and requires constant attention. its a bit of a pain in the arse but a nice dog. That would be ok if we ended up with similar, obviously I would prefer not to have a nutter. hair wouldn't be an issue for me.

Choc Chip · 23-07-2019 5:05pm

In fairness, I've just re-read your OP and you mentioned having had jack russels and springers which I'd consider 2 of the most crackers breeds out there. I wouldn't worry too much. If that's you expectation I reckon you'll be fine.

Though a beagle is an entirely different story, but I would be more worried about the scent obsession rather that the "nuts" part of it.

discobeaker · 23-07-2019 5:22pm

As someone with a king Charles,if you did decide to get one, definitely get pet insurance. We rescued ours when he was 6 months old and took out insurance straight away. Turned out as he got a little older we found out he had birth defects and his 2 back legs were growing shaped like a banana and his kneecap was pulling to one side and not returning to its original place. So thanks to pet insurance we have gotten one of his legs sorted (the other isn't as bad)

So the bad side of king Charles are the health issues but on the positive side.... They will adore you and give so much love. Our guy,Cookie,is the most affectionate little guy in the world.

I've attached a pic of cookie just to try swing you guys to get a king Charles

wobert · 23-07-2019 5:59pm

Rootsblower wrote: »

Would you consider a greyhound or greyhound mix. They’re super laid back dont need big walks, really friendly and adaptable to any environment. I have to say they make wonderful pets and as we know there’s plenty that need a good home.

I would definitely consider them. I have read about how good they are as pets and as you say plenty looking for homes.

wobert · 23-07-2019 6:06pm

discobeaker wrote: »

As someone with a king Charles,if you did decide to get one, definitely get pet insurance. We rescued ours when he was 6 months old and took out insurance straight away. Turned out as he got a little older we found out he had birth defects and his 2 back legs were growing shaped like a banana and his kneecap was pulling to one side and not returning to its original place. So thanks to pet insurance we have gotten one of his legs sorted (the other isn't as bad)

So the bad side of king Charles are the health issues but on the positive side.... They will adore you and give so much love. Our guy,Cookie,is the most affectionate little guy in the world.

I've attached a pic of cookie just to try swing you guys to get a king Charles

King Charles were my wife’s family’s breed of choice. Their last dog was a nice little thing. Wife and daughter voted for same but I vetoed with my son as they are a bit wishy washy. They are nice dogs so please no offense meant

wobert · 23-07-2019 6:08pm

discobeaker wrote: »

As someone with a king Charles,if you did decide to get one, definitely get pet insurance. We rescued ours when he was 6 months old and took out insurance straight away. Turned out as he got a little older we found out he had birth defects and his 2 back legs were growing shaped like a banana and his kneecap was pulling to one side and not returning to its original place. So thanks to pet insurance we have gotten one of his legs sorted (the other isn't as bad)

So the bad side of king Charles are the health issues but on the positive side.... They will adore you and give so much love. Our guy,Cookie,is the most affectionate little guy in the world.

I've attached a pic of cookie just to try swing you guys to get a king Charles

He looks lovely, doesn’t look like the King Charles image I had in my head.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 23-07-2019 6:09pm

wobert wrote: »

Thanks, when growing up our family always had at least two dogs. so I am used to many different types and know how to care for them. Our friends pointer is like your foster and requires constant attention. its a bit of a pain in the arse but a nice dog. That would be ok if we ended up with similar, obviously I would prefer not to have a nutter. hair wouldn't be an issue for me.

You might actually be better off fostering at first, that way you can see how things go and check the dogs temperment before committing to full dog ownership.

I have fostered and adopted and some of the dogs do come with issues. One proved impossible to train, he wasn't dangerous or anything just crazy wired and destructive! Brought to dog training professional who after said there was nothing much more could be done with his behaviour. Another dog on foster suffered severe separation anxiety, that was not fun for anyone.

Can't blame the dogs, some have had a really tough life, but it might just be worth fostering as a trial run to see how the family adapts to having a new pet.

Choc Chip · 23-07-2019 6:17pm

wobert wrote: »

I would definitely consider them. I have read about how good they are as pets and as you say plenty looking for homes.

They can be lazy so if you don't want a dog who sleeps all day, they might not be for you.

There's a pile of lurchers in rescue that have a bit more go about them if you're looking at something that will mess about with the kids and chase a ball all day.

Also, if you get a sighthound cross (or a beagle) you could be looking at miles of training for a reliable recall so you can walk them off-lead.

peasant · 23-07-2019 6:28pm

Choc Chip wrote: »

Number 3 is a crapshoot if I'm honest. You might get the traits of either breed and any set of health issues so you HAVE to be willing to take on the health issues and traits of either breed, as you did in option one (but spread across the breeds in the mix). On the plus side, you'll likely pay less money and if the foster in the rescue is good, the puppies will have had good nutrition and good early socialisation

purely non-scientific, small sample, personal experience...

Out of four dogs so far, one had health issues...it was a pure breed from a reputable breeder. The other three are/were curious mixes from dubious sources (via rescue or *cough* a private ad on done deal) and lived to or are still living long healthy lives without significant issues.

Purely from personal, non-empiric "evidence" I believe there is something to be said for hybrid vigor.

Plus getting a mix has another advantage...the dog isn't (or to a much lesser degree) saddled with expectations on how it is supposed to behave according to some standard and can therefore be trained and integrated into a family without prejudice

wobert · 23-07-2019 6:30pm

Lyle Gorgeous Kiwi wrote: »

You might actually be better off fostering at first, that way you can see how things go and check the dogs temperment before committing to full dog ownership.

I have fostered and adopted and some of the dogs do come with issues. One proved impossible to train, he wasn't dangerous or anything just crazy wired and destructive! Brought to dog training professional who after said there was nothing much more could be done with his behaviour. Another dog on foster suffered severe separation anxiety, that was not fun for anyone.

Can't blame the dogs, some have had a really tough life, but it might just be worth fostering as a trial run to see how the family adapts to having a new pet.

How would the fostering work?
My wife works mornings, I was thinking I could drop kids to school with dog and keep it in my office. Wife would collect dog on way back from work. I thought I could keep bed in corner of room and bring dog out for quick stretch every hour or so

Choc Chip · 23-07-2019 6:46pm

peasant wrote: »

purely non-scientific, small sample, personal experience...

Out of four dogs so far, one had health issues...it was a pure breed from a reputable breeder. The other three are/were curious mixes from dubious sources (via rescue or *cough* a private ad on done deal) and lived to or are still living long healthy lives without significant issues.

Purely from personal, non-empiric "evidence" I believe there is something to be said for hybrid vigor.

Plus getting a mix has another advantage...the dog isn't (or to a much lesser degree) saddled with expectations on how it is supposed to behave according to some standard and can therefore be trained and integrated into a family without prejudice

But you're just taking your (inherently limited) personal experiences. If a dog is predisposed to recessive genetic conditions, then yes, an outcross might negate or reduce that danger. If that's something a breeder is considering then I'm willing to discuss why the dogs are crossed. Unscientific claims of "hybrid vigour" doesn't cut it for me.

Someone crossing back into the same cross and taking the danger of that same recessive gene back in would also scare me. I don't see anyone talking about this but it would be far more valid than something as vague as "hybrid vigour".

And prejudice about breed expectations lines us up to deal with our dogs. I gave the example of 2 completely different collies crosses earlier. You need to be ready for anything in the cross.

I have a GSD cross and once she settled in my house (about 18 months) she also started showing problems with fence chasing etc from being underworked. This was a surprise as she'd been shut down after coming into rescue ,but something I was ready for given her breed tendencies (GSD and collie) and so willing to work with.

You can't ignore breed tendencies. My terrier is not my GSDx, and no matter how much they are trained in the same way (and I'm currently going through a prorgamme with them together) they're not the same dogs.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 23-07-2019 6:54pm

wobert wrote: »

How would the fostering work?
My wife works mornings, I was thinking I could drop kids to school with dog and keep it in my office. Wife would collect dog on way back from work. I thought I could keep bed in corner of room and bring dog out for quick stretch every hour or so

You have the dog as if it was your own for a determined period, most fosters I have done are for between 2 and 4 week in length but it depends on the dog and their needs (some pups just need socialising before being adopted some dogs night be on medication for a couple of weeks). The rescue will tell you how long the Foster period is expected to be.

It also frees up space in the rescues for the time you are homing the dog.

You just give them back at the end of foster period knowing you have helped the rescue that dog on their way. If you fall in love with them then you can apply to adopt them too.

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