Handwriting help

pinkypinky · 02-05-2015 12:58pm #1

Could you help me read this address please?

I think it's a workhouse death - the informant is an inmate, but I'm interested in Michael Cullen's address.

Coolnabacky1873 · 02-05-2015 1:15pm

I think it's:
7 Holycross
____ Clonliffe Ave or Rd. The 'a' in married looks like the same letter in that last word, which makes me lean towards Ave, but Clonliffe Rd might make more sense with the address having a line before that.

Coolnabacky1873 · 02-05-2015 1:19pm

Holy Cross/Clonliffe College is up near Corker on the Clonliffe Rd, could be something to do with that. Someone with Dublin geography knowledge would probably know more.

Hermy · 02-05-2015 1:38pm

Would it be Holycross Cottages?

Coolnabacky1873 · 02-05-2015 1:46pm

I think Hermy has it.
http://databases.dublincity.ie/burgesses/search_new.php?searchtype=street&year=1908&address01=HOLYCROSS%20COTTAGES,%20Clonliffe%20Road

Hermy · 02-05-2015 1:47pm

This be them in 1901?

pinkypinky · 02-05-2015 2:46pm

Thanks for your help guys. That's what I read the address as too.

Hermy - that's not them in the 1911 but it threw me for a second. This is the family living on Old Mayor St. Note the 17 children born to the mother! Mary Cullen on this census is my great grandmother. Looking for her father's death but it's a common name.

Coolnabacky1873 · 02-05-2015 3:18pm

17 in approx 37 years of marriage! A Carla' woman too, no less. The GRO will fund their Xmas party from you if you have to get all those certs

Victor · 02-05-2015 3:21pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

Could you help me read this address please?

I think it's a workhouse death - the informant is an inmate, but I'm interested in Michael Cullen's address.

It might be useful to include a link to the page, so we can see associated documents.

Hermy · 02-05-2015 4:06pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

Hermy - that's not them in the 1911 but it threw me for a second. This is the family living on Old Mayor St. Note the 17 children born to the mother! Mary Cullen on this census is my great grandmother. Looking for her father's death but it's a common name.

I don't follow. Is the Michael Cullen in 7 Holycross Cottages in the 1911 Census not the same as the Michael Cullen in your death cert?
If not, are they related?

Coolnabacky1873 · 02-05-2015 5:44pm

Victor wrote: »

It might be useful to include a link to the page, so we can see associated documents.

pinkypinky · 02-05-2015 6:33pm

I believe they are 2 separate people called Michael Cullen. I have the death cert of one above, who died in the workhouse in 1912. I now do not think he is same person as the Michael Cullen, my ancestor, on the 1911 census, which I linked to.

Coolnabacky - the family legend said she had 22 children! Hermy, I don't think they're related, just some name repetition in the families.

I have another handwriting question.

This is from the North Dublin union workhouse census return. There's 70 pages odd so I won't link to it but I've included several words. I took me ages to find the person on the actual return.
What does it say beside the age 50 person? Again, I have an idea but I don't want to bias any fresh eyes!

Pretzill · 02-05-2015 7:54pm

Really hard to decipher but going on the one above the second word looks like Paralysis? And the first word seems to begin with an M as in Mitral below - but that's just going on the handwriting alone and the only double word disease of the time I can think of was 'creeping paralysis' which was an early term for MS - but the first word here has me thrown!

Jellybaby1 · 02-05-2015 8:26pm

I almost said 'infantile paralysis' which would have been akin to polio. But the last few letters of the first word look like 'tion' and the last two letters of the second word look something like 'ium'.

Hermy · 03-05-2015 12:44am

pinkypinky wrote: »

Hermy, I don't think they're related, just some name repetition in the families.

Same name. Same address. No relation. Genealogy is weird sometimes.:D

Robyn15 · 12-05-2015 7:59pm

I've looked at the Workhouse admission books on FindmyPast. There are 2 Michael Cullens who died in the North Dublin Workhouse one aged 42 from 116 Gardiner St who was a labourer annd died 3rd April 1912. And Michael Cullen aged 66 with a wife Eliz. occupation Carrier? of 7 Holly? Cottages Clonliffe Road. died 1st June 1912.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Robyn15

blue banana · 26-05-2015 9:18am

I’m looking for some help on deciphering a first name as well as a latin comment in a marriage record here
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=cork%20%26%20ross.bantry.p4803.00121

It’s the seventh entry on the page and it’s the marriage of John Connolly and Charlotte Walpole in Bantry in 1879.

I’m interested in finding out John Connolly’s father first name as well as any idea of what the latin comment in the far right is and what it translates to. I think it starts with Sponsa (bride).

Thanks for any help in advance.

BB

P. Breathnach · 26-05-2015 4:24pm

Very difficult challenge! Perhaps the father's name was Edward or Edmund. I can't figure out the Latin, but I suspect that the bride was CoI, and it might be a reference to that.

niallb · 26-05-2015 5:19pm

The second word might be an abbreviation of acatholica, which would tie in with the bride being CoI.
It's interesting, and very faded!

blue banana · 27-05-2015 10:16am

Thanks guys, yep it's a challenging one. The person looking for this record is in the US and I have suggested that they order the civil marriage cert from the GRO so hopefully that will throw some light on John Connolly's fathers name.

Thanks again.

pedroeibar1 · 27-05-2015 10:45am

I too would go with “sponsa acatolica” (spouse/wife non-catholic) and Edwardus or Edwinus for Connolly’s Christian name.

Underneath is more difficult – is it “do” (i.e. "ditto") for sponsa or the start of another word? Or “do – filiam comm,,,,,,a” (wife the daughter [of] ,,,,,,,,,)
I could not make “disponsationis”out of it – were dispensations a requirement for mixed marriages back then?

CeannRua · 27-05-2015 7:24pm

blue banana wrote: »

I’m looking for some help on deciphering a first name as well as a latin comment in a marriage record here
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=cork%20%26%20ross.bantry.p4803.00121

It’s the seventh entry on the page and it’s the marriage of John Connolly and Charlotte Walpole in Bantry in 1879.

I’m interested in finding out John Connolly’s father first name as well as any idea of what the latin comment in the far right is and what it translates to. I think it starts with Sponsa (bride).

Thanks for any help in advance.

BB

Sponsa recentus ad fidem conversa - bride recently converted to the faith. Same words pop up in notes on previous pages.

blue banana · 28-05-2015 2:59pm

Thanks a million CeannRua, much appreciated.:) I will pass on the info.

BB

blue banana · 08-06-2015 2:16pm

blue banana wrote: »

I’m looking for some help on deciphering a first name as well as a latin comment in a marriage record here
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=cork%20%26%20ross.bantry.p4803.00121

It’s the seventh entry on the page and it’s the marriage of John Connolly and Charlotte Walpole in Bantry in 1879.

I’m interested in finding out John Connolly’s father first name as well as any idea of what the latin comment in the far right is and what it translates to. I think it starts with Sponsa (bride).

Thanks for any help in advance.

BB

Well it turns out from the Civil Marriage record that John Connollys fathers name is Denis.

Thanks to everyone for the input.

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