Are people being murdered by the state?

realitykeeper · 05-11-2019 9:23am #1

The Liverpool pathway is intended to shorten people`s suffering during the final hours of their life. At least, that was it`s original intention. However, those final hours became final days, then months and now the suspicion is that the HSE is bumping people off years before their time.

When my Grand father died of cancer back in the early eighties, his death was long and drawn out and he suffered a lot and he died almost two years after the cancer was diagnosed. During that time he lost a lot of weight. By contrast, when my uncle died of cancer, it all happened in a flash. One day he was grand, living his life, then the diagnosis and next thing he was dead. His coffin weighed a tonne. The nurse called the family and said he is dying. She said wait here a minute so we can make him comfortable. She went in, came back out and said you can say goodbye to him now. He was struggling to breath and then he died.

One wonders what procedure is followed to make the dying "comfortable". He didn`t seem that comfortable to me.

So my question is, are people being bumped off before their time by the HSE?

punisher5112 · 05-11-2019 9:25am

realitykeeper wrote: »

The Liverpool pathway is intended to shorten people`s suffering during the final hours of their life. At least, that was it`s original intention. However, those final hours became final days, then months and now the suspicion is that the HSE is bumping people off years before their time.

When my Grand father died of cancer back in the early eighties, his death was long and drawn out and he suffered a lot and he died almost two years after the cancer was diagnosed. During that time he lost a lot of weight. By contrast, when my uncle died of cancer, it all happened in a flash. One day he was grand, living his life, then the diagnosis and next thing he was dead. His coffin weighed a tonne. The nurse called the family and said he is dying. She said wait here a minute so we can make him comfortable. She went in, came back out and said you can say goodbye to him now. He was struggling to breath and then he died.

One wonders what procedure is followed to make the dying "comfortable". He didn`t seem that comfortable to me.

So my question is, are people being bumped off before their time by the HSE?

Rubbish they are keeping people alive longer then ever.

Go to a nursing home and some are there 20 years and yet they couldn't care for themselves.

banie01 · 05-11-2019 9:27am

Rather than "asking a question" that is framed in a way that will promote near hysteria in the minds of anyone who has a family member undergoing palliative care at the moment.

How about you frame your supposition as what it is?
An unsupported and frankly uncorroborated musing of someone with quite a well demonstrated tenuous grip on causation and logic?

Or present some actual evidence regarding your theory of state sanctioned murder?

I must say however, one thing you have quite a talent for....
Is reducing the bar for specious bullshít with every new thread you post!

Horsebox9000 · 05-11-2019 9:33am

realitykeeper wrote: »

The Liverpool pathway is intended to shorten people`s suffering during the final hours of their life. At least, that was it`s original intention. However, those final hours became final days, then months and now the suspicion is that the HSE is bumping people off years before their time.

When my Grand father died of cancer back in the early eighties, his death was long and drawn out and he suffered a lot and he died almost two years after the cancer was diagnosed. During that time he lost a lot of weight. By contrast, when my uncle died of cancer, it all happened in a flash. One day he was grand, living his life, then the diagnosis and next thing he was dead. His coffin weighed a tonne. The nurse called the family and said he is dying. She said wait here a minute so we can make him comfortable. She went in, came back out and said you can say goodbye to him now. He was struggling to breath and then he died.

One wonders what procedure is followed to make the dying "comfortable". He didn`t seem that comfortable to me.

So my question is, are people being bumped off before their time by the HSE?

Thanks to the HSE my father is still alive.
Tinfoil sale on in Aldi if you need some

McMurphy · 05-11-2019 9:35am

Most ironic username ever. Fact.

cgcsb · 05-11-2019 9:42am

So why are we living longer than ever before? What's the point of your single data point? Cancer is different for everyone, part of the reason why a single cure doesn't exist.

CrankyHaus · 05-11-2019 9:56am

I just love the idea that the HSE could be efficient enough to run a clandestine mass murder racket and keep it secret. Especially with nurses doing the dirty work, like they bump off a bunch of aul ones and then hit coppers and don't tell a soul. :pac:

Salary Negotiator · 05-11-2019 10:01am

Christ sake rk, when you hear hooves think horses not zebras.

banie01 · 05-11-2019 10:03am

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Most ironic username ever. Fact.

Ahhh....
But it's his own "reality" he keeps...
Where actual facts and evidence are trumped by faith

Where Catholic dogma reigns supreme with suffering and pain as penance to that all forgiving Sky Fairy!

NIMAN · 05-11-2019 10:03am

When I read the thread title I thought it was another conspiracy theory.....then I opened it and seen who the op was.

Mr E · 05-11-2019 10:16am

Mod: Moved to Conspiracy Theories. New charter applies.

cgcsb · 05-11-2019 2:39pm

CrankyHaus wrote: »

I just love the idea that the HSE could be efficient enough to run a clandestine mass murder racket and keep it secret. Especially with nurses doing the dirty work, like they bump off a bunch of aul ones and then hit coppers and don't tell a soul. :pac:

That 21k a year can buy so many secrets, feck your book deal.

Ipso · 05-11-2019 3:02pm

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

Christ sake rk, when you hear hooves think horses not zebras.

Or unicorns, being ridden by sasquatch.

Nermal · 05-11-2019 3:09pm

realitykeeper wrote: »

So my question is, are people being bumped off before their time by the HSE?

I hope so. The budgets are getting out of control, frankly.

05-11-2019 3:13pm

realitykeeper wrote: »

However, those final hours became final days, then months and now the suspicion is that the HSE is bumping people off years before their time.

Is it?
By whom?
By you seeking to wind people up?

GooglePlus · 05-11-2019 3:20pm

The OP is speaking about palliative care and not saying that the HSE is out to kill as all.

The opioids provided during this care will speed up the process of death, it restricts breathing and puts strain on what is probably already a strained heart.

My mother passed away 2 days after receiving her opioid treatment via a timed pump. We were told it would speed up an inevitable process.

realitykeeper · 05-11-2019 11:26pm

banie01 wrote: »

I must say however, one thing you have quite a talent for....
Is reducing the bar for specious bullshít with every new thread you post!

oh me oh my

Guy:Incognito · 05-11-2019 11:30pm

GooglePlus wrote: »

The OP is speaking about palliative care and not saying that the HSE is out to kill as all.

The opioids provided during this care will speed up the process of death, it restricts breathing and puts strain on what is probably already a strained heart.

My mother passed away 2 days after receiving her opioid treatment via a timed pump. We were told it would speed up an inevitable process.

The OP's own words disagree.

realitykeeper wrote: »

now the suspicion is that the HSE is bumping people off years before their time.

realitykeeper · 05-11-2019 11:33pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it?
By whom?
By you seeking to wind people up?

Naw, I heard it from someone else but I have since come to suspect there may be something to it.

Dohnjoe · 06-11-2019 12:23am

realitykeeper wrote: »

Naw, I heard it from someone else but I have since come to suspect there may be something to it.

That seals it then, no one can argue with that level of proof.

punisher5112 · 06-11-2019 1:26am

Chemtrails

LoughNeagh2017 · 06-11-2019 3:56am

Many Gaels here in Ulster were murdered by the London government between the 1500s and 1990s. The Gaels attacked in revenge many times in the 70s, 80s and 90s and these attacks were called "terror attacks" by evil men, does this mean that the English are evil too?

realitykeeper · 07-11-2019 9:51am

Nobody called anybody evil. Tempting as it might be to call the English evil, I think we must refrain from that. Evil should not be seen in terms of nationality, instead evil should be seen as evil, irrespective of all other considerations. By their deeds you shall know them.

realitykeeper · 07-11-2019 10:03am

punisher5112 wrote: »

Rubbish they are keeping people alive longer then ever.

Go to a nursing home and some are there 20 years and yet they couldn't care for themselves.

Some people who go into nursing homes are healthy but go downhill rapidly as soon as they have been admitted.

Another point, is it possible the reason some are kept alive longer than others has something to do with the size of their estate?

07-11-2019 2:59pm

realitykeeper wrote: »

Naw, I heard it from someone else but I have since come to suspect there may be something to it.

So, in summary: Someone said to you that the HSE might be killing otherwise healthy people and without a shred of evidence (bar anecdotal 'he seemed fine when he went in, now he's dead' evidence) you now also believe this, sans evidence, and the fact that the two of you together believe this constitutes "the suspicion is that the HSE is bumping people off years before their time"?

Have you taken leave of your senses?

punisher5112 · 07-11-2019 3:03pm

realitykeeper wrote: »

Some people who go into nursing homes are healthy but go downhill rapidly as soon as they have been admitted.

Another point, is it possible the reason some are kept alive longer than others has something to do with the size of their estate?

I don't believe so to be honest.

Drug companies and many others make huge money in the keeping these people alive longer as the more meds one takes the more profit for them.

gibgodsman · 07-11-2019 3:11pm

Nah, though there are those who completely fail in the duties which leads to deaths, my mother was 37, went into hospital with pains in her stomach, was sent home a day later and literally told to deal with the pain.

A week later she brought herself back in and refused to leave until she was looked at, was scheduled for a scan and put on fast for 24 hours, they forgot about her and her fast status and she was stuck on it for 3 days. She managed to get family to bring her in food due to her weak state, the hospital apologized and cancelled the scan due to the failed fast, 2 days later while in hospital she died. Cancer through out her body.

Her GP constantly telling her its just a stomach infection, the hospital showing know care to deal with a patent. I was 11 when I watched her take her last breath. Do I blame the doctors? The HSE? Nope, I blame the seriously lack of resources given to the HSE

realitykeeper · 07-11-2019 6:00pm

Deleted User wrote: »

So, in summary: Someone said to you that the HSE might be killing otherwise healthy people and without a shred of evidence (bar anecdotal 'he seemed fine when he went in, now he's dead' evidence) you now also believe this, sans evidence, and the fact that the two of you together believe this constitutes "the suspicion is that the HSE is bumping people off years before their time"?

Have you taken leave of your senses?

They are? That`s news to me. I thought they might be bumping off people who were already on the way out.

realitykeeper · 07-11-2019 6:13pm

gibgodsman wrote: »

Nah, though there are those who completely fail in the duties which leads to deaths, my mother was 37, went into hospital with pains in her stomach, was sent home a day later and literally told to deal with the pain.

A week later she brought herself back in and refused to leave until she was looked at, was scheduled for a scan and put on fast for 24 hours, they forgot about her and her fast status and she was stuck on it for 3 days. She managed to get family to bring her in food due to her weak state, the hospital apologized and cancelled the scan due to the failed fast, 2 days later while in hospital she died. Cancer through out her body.

Her GP constantly telling her its just a stomach infection, the hospital showing know care to deal with a patent. I was 11 when I watched her take her last breath. Do I blame the doctors? The HSE? Nope, I blame the seriously lack of resources given to the HSE

Very sorry to hear that. Nobody should have to go through what your mother suffered and fair play to her for insisting that she be looked at.

I would however blame the HSE. They get billions every year and spend it all on their salaries. To them, patients = work they would rather not do when they could be chatting in the canteen with tea and cake. This country has almost a quarter trillion in debt which will cause serious problems if the country ever fails to keep up payments. Lack of resources was only ever a problem insofar as funding was mismanaged, ie spent disproportionately on salaries.

realitykeeper · 07-11-2019 6:17pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

I don't believe so to be honest.

Drug companies and many others make huge money in the keeping these people alive longer as the more meds one takes the more profit for them.

But they spend money on cheapskate meds, eg chemotherapy instead of the latest miracle cure. Granted the latter would be expensive but easily afforded if the HSE weren`t spending everything on their salaries. To add insult to injury, they ask the public to donate to hospitals after they spend all those billions on themselves. Privatization cannot come soon enough.

Ipso · 07-11-2019 7:36pm

realitykeeper wrote: »

But they spend money on cheapskate meds, eg chemotherapy instead of the latest miracle cure. Granted the latter would be expensive but easily afforded if the HSE weren`t spending everything on their salaries. To add insult to injury, they ask the public to donate to hospitals after they spend all those billions on themselves. Privatization cannot come soon enough.

Which is; turmeric, ammonia, coffee enema

07-11-2019 9:18pm

realitykeeper wrote: »

They are? That`s news to me. I thought they might be bumping off people who were already on the way out.

"Some people who go into nursing homes are healthy but go downhill rapidly as soon as they have been admitted"

???

punisher5112 · 07-11-2019 9:22pm

gibgobsman that's absolutely horrific and such a sad story.

I do hope things were learnt from that and it's shocking how she was just abandoned.

My mum was 58 and passed. She was obviously much older and she knew she wasn't right but doctors said she was fine.

Very sad indeed.

realitykeeper · 07-11-2019 10:27pm

Ipso wrote: »

Which is; turmeric, ammonia, coffee enema

Tumeric is good for you. Stay healthy folks and avoid the HSE and the plague.

Guy:Incognito · 07-11-2019 10:31pm

realitykeeper wrote: »

Some people who go into nursing homes are healthy but go downhill rapidly as soon as they have been admitted.

So you reckon nursing homes, getting a couple of grand a week for each resident, want to off them as quick as possible?

Markcheese · 07-11-2019 10:38pm

realitykeeper wrote: »

Some people who go into nursing homes are healthy but go downhill rapidly as soon as they have been admitted.

Another point, is it possible the reason some are kept alive longer than others has something to do with the size of their estate?

My granny's estate was quite large, and she did live on in hospital care for years after we thought she was a goner for sure... Dunno what the size of a housing estate has to with that though... (actually she never lived on a housing estate)

Markcheese · 07-11-2019 10:40pm

gibgodsman wrote: »

Nah, though there are those who completely fail in the duties which leads to deaths, my mother was 37, went into hospital with pains in her stomach, was sent home a day later and literally told to deal with the pain.

A week later she brought herself back in and refused to leave until she was looked at, was scheduled for a scan and put on fast for 24 hours, they forgot about her and her fast status and she was stuck on it for 3 days. She managed to get family to bring her in food due to her weak state, the hospital apologized and cancelled the scan due to the failed fast, 2 days later while in hospital she died. Cancer through out her body.

Her GP constantly telling her its just a stomach infection, the hospital showing know care to deal with a patent. I was 11 when I watched her take her last breath. Do I blame the doctors? The HSE? Nope, I blame the seriously lack of resources given to the HSE

That wasnt just a resource issue, that was really crappy procedures and management, top to bottom...

BDI · 07-11-2019 10:46pm

What about that gaurd that shot himself in ballymun Garda station. I have no proof at all either but I always had the theory that he was emailing the hutches to do gods work, maybe for the ira who knows? We had the regency attack then all the IRA men getting killed but not getting called IRA men in the media they were being called linked to the hutch faction. Maybe the media are in on it too, maybe the media orchestrated the whole thing to sell papers.

Are people being murdered by the state?

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