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SophieLockhart · 27-02-2020 3:50pm

Hermy wrote: »

What is the name after Thomas? It looks like Patrick but I'm not certain.

That name is Catherine I think.

SophieLockhart · 27-02-2020 4:08pm

By narrowing the letters of the mystery name, I think I can get 'Hannorah' out of it.

Pretzill · 27-02-2020 4:16pm

That's a good call above - I also could see the Ann at the beginning and was wondering was it Annemarie Deane - The other names are very typical of the time and the scribe seems to run a lot of n's, s's and m's into an unlegible line - so perhaps it may be a matter of checking names of the time off against it and seeing if they fit. It's a difficult one

A New earth · 27-02-2020 4:30pm

Thanks everyone, I'll have a search for Hannorah etc.

Their other son Eugene Owen got married the year before 1850 so was not in the household at the date of that census. I haven't looked for him in 1851 yet but here is his family in the 1861 census.

Eugene Owen Dean 1861 Canadian Census.png

I think the dates in the 1851 census are a bit out eg I think Thomas was born in 1830.

Yes Catherine 5th down.
Full list is
John Dean age 50, Mary Dean (nee Knightly) age 40
then the illegible girl age 20, Thomas age 18, Catherine age 14, James age 12,
Michael age 10, Mary age 8 and Jane age 6.

Thanks again

KildareFan · 27-02-2020 4:35pm

SophieLockhart wrote: »

By narrowing the letters of the mystery name, I think I can get 'Hannorah' out of it.

Yes - that's what I thought.

Hermy · 04-03-2020 11:07am

In this image from the Tithe Applotment books I'm trying to decipher the first two entries for Castlewilder, the third section down on the right hand page.

I've a good idea about the first one but the second is a puzzle!

Thanks.

pinkypinky · 04-03-2020 1:37pm

Something Wilder Esq a minor

Reps of ?? J? sdale Esq.

Huawei Gallagher · 04-03-2020 1:46pm

Hermy wrote: »

In this image from the Tithe Applotment books I'm trying to decipher the first two entries for Castlewilder, the third section down on the right hand page.

Wilder Mat Castlewilder Kilglass Longford 1834 (My opinion "Mat Wilder Esquire-a Minor")
Isdale Fras Castlewilder Kilglass Longford 1834 (My opinion "Rep. of Fras Isdale Esquire")

Search for Castlewilder http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie

Hermy · 04-03-2020 5:50pm

"Mat Wilder Esquire-a Minor" is what I had myself.

Isdale isn't a surname I have come across before but it certainly seems to be what's written there.
And I agree it's probably Representative of" or something similar.
However, I'm still unsure about the forename but I might find something locally that will confirm this.

Thanks again.

riverina · 04-03-2020 7:44pm

Hi, can anyone help with understanding what the abbreviation of GC/GL/CL(?) on this baptism page means? Specifically looking at the baptism of Ellen Dooley. Thanks

Hermy · 04-03-2020 8:04pm

Where does it appear on the page?

If you could provide a link to the source that would be better.

ath262 · 04-03-2020 8:04pm

riverina wrote: »

Hi, can anyone help with understanding what the abbreviation of GC/GL/CL(?) on this baptism page means? Specifically looking at the baptism of Ellen Dooley. Thanks

I'd would think the priests initials, the other notations at the ends of the line look like locations.

p.s. it's s good idea to link to the register page in question, can help with context

ath262 · 04-03-2020 8:08pm

Hermy wrote: »

Where does it appear on the page?

If you could provide a link to the source that would be better.

Hermy · 04-03-2020 8:10pm

ath262 wrote: »

p.s. it's s good idea to link to the register page in question, can help with context

Exactly - context is everything as someone once said.

Also, sometimes the source has a better quality image.

And I'd agree - it's probably the initials of the priest who carried out the ceremony.

ath262 · 04-03-2020 8:15pm

Birr & Loughkeen baptisms, 02478 / 02 page 23

riverina · 05-03-2020 4:10pm

Thanks for all your help everyone, and apologies for only posting the jpeg, it was sent to me and I was posting from my phone! Really appreciate all the interactions, thank you.

p15574 · 06-03-2020 9:24am

Can anyone help decipher locations in entry no. 32 here please? It's Anne O'Sullivan I'm interested in, but not sure if I have the right one. I can't make out where it says she's from, or where the marriage was (the chapel and the district). The family is from Ballinakilla near Glenbeigh/Glanbehy, and I think the district might say "Glanbehy". For her location, I think it says Scrahan - which would be way off and I've probably got the wrong one.

pinkypinky · 06-03-2020 9:51am

Derreen & Scrahan?

Admittedly, you said Scrahan so that's all I can see now!

spurious · 06-03-2020 11:10am

The church looks like Dungegan, Emlagh.

p15574 · 06-03-2020 11:23am

spurious wrote: »

The church looks like Dungegan, Emlagh.

Working backwards, I've found a birth cert for what looks like the right female - Anne Sullivan, son of Timothy (#117), in Emlagh, so this marriage cert is definitely the wrong one.

Thanks for all the help!

pinkypinky · 18-03-2020 12:40pm

Can anyone make out what Pauline O'Mahony (second entry) died of on this page please?

I have a burial for her, etc. Just wondering if that cousin was correct!

Hermy · 18-03-2020 1:02pm

It's something sepsis 12 days certified but I can't figure what that something is.

EDIT: Google suggests it might be puerperal - during or relating to the period of about six weeks after childbirth during which the mother's reproductive organs return to their original non-pregnant condition.

pinkypinky · 18-03-2020 2:30pm

Yes, that's very likely. The family story was that she died in childbirth - of childbirth is perhaps more accurate. Poor woman.

L1011 · 20-03-2020 4:35pm

1932 would be late for it, but sepsis caused by severe infections caused by poor hygeine (poor hand hygeine in particularly) by midwives/doctors was horribly common decades earlier. Other causes exist obviously.

VirginiaB · 20-03-2020 6:16pm

Sepsis is still more common than you might think. It has not gone away. Over 250,000 Americans die of it every year.

If you are talking about 'childbed fever' or puerperal fever, it still exists, tho uncommon in advanced countries. A close family member got it after giving birth five years ago. She almost died and they tried four different antibiotics before one, specially flown in, worked. It was terrifying. She and the baby, now five, are fine, thanks be to God.

pinkypinky · 20-03-2020 6:23pm

I am but having read an essay on it in the excellent (but grim) Grave Matters, it should have been largely done away with by 1932, I agree.

pinkypinky · 31-03-2020 10:52pm

Looking for suggestions on the second godparent of Michael Mahony born to Patrick M and Mary Picket 27/7/1835 please.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635017#page/47/mode/1up

He's the second entry on the right hand page.

New Home · 01-04-2020 12:01am

On record 8353 I see a Robert Brendan, is that the one? The second name could be Eliza McGl(ork? Odd, but it doesn't look like a McGeough or a McGough) anyway.

Hermy · 01-04-2020 12:12am

It looks like Eliza McGlosky or McGlasky to me.

pinkypinky · 01-04-2020 12:42am

New Home wrote: »

On record 8353 I see a Robert Brendan, is that the one? The second name could be Eliza McGl(ork? Odd, but it doesn't look like a McGeough or a McGough) anyway.

Yes, this register likes to record the priest first. Clearly, who he thought was the most important person in the baptism. :rolleyes:

pinkypinky · 01-04-2020 12:43am

I think Eliza McGlosky too. Thanks.

chewed · 03-04-2020 2:29pm

hi, looking for confirmation on 2 things in this census form.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003717311/

Can you confirm the occupation of the head of household. James McCaffery. Is it something Platelayer?

Also, is the city "Cumberland" for the wife and next 2 children? I presume that would be UK! If so, then I wonder was there where Bridget was from originally?

Hermy · 03-04-2020 2:47pm

There are entries for Rose and Belinda in the UK GRO for the district of Whitehaven in Cumberland.

EDIT: Also just found the index entry for the marriage of James and Bridget in Whitehaven in 1872.
You may already be aware but the surname is variously spelled McCaffrey and McCaffery which may trip up some search engines.

chewed · 03-04-2020 2:57pm

Hermy wrote: »

There are entries for Rose and Belinda in the UK GRO for the district of Whitehaven in Cumberland.

EDIT: Also just found the index entry for the marriage of James and Bridget in Whitehaven in 1872.
You may already be aware but the surname is variously spelled McCaffrey and McCaffery which may trip up some search engines.

Wow! That's brilliant. Thanks a million for this.

BowWow · 03-04-2020 3:01pm

Foreman Platelayer.

Griffinx · 03-04-2020 3:03pm

BowWow wrote: »

Foreman Platelayer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platelayer

chewed · 03-04-2020 3:08pm

BowWow wrote: »

Foreman Platelayer.

Great! Thanks for that.

chewed · 03-04-2020 3:17pm

Hermy wrote: »

There are entries for Rose and Belinda in the UK GRO for the district of Whitehaven in Cumberland.

EDIT: Also just found the index entry for the marriage of James and Bridget in Whitehaven in 1872.
You may already be aware but the surname is variously spelled McCaffrey and McCaffery which may trip up some search engines.

BTW, how did you find the marriage entry on that GRO site?

Hermy · 03-04-2020 3:54pm

chewed wrote: »

BTW, how did you find the marriage entry on that GRO site?

I used Ancestry for the marriage - sorry, I should have mentioned that.

chewed · 06-04-2020 12:21pm

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11110/8066724.pdf

Please can you let me know the name of the 2 fathers in the 2nd last row (no. 63) for Christopher Foley and Teresa Flynn?

BowWow · 06-04-2020 12:57pm

chewed wrote: »

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11110/8066724.pdf

Please can you let me know the name of the 2 fathers in the 2nd last row (no. 63) for Christopher Foley and Teresa Flynn?

I'd say William Foley and Henry Flynn.

ath262 · 06-04-2020 1:01pm

BowWow wrote: »

I'd say William Foley and Henry Flynn.

I'd agree on that, the strange looking letter at the start of the Foley name, is the same as the W in William for the previous marriage

chewed · 06-04-2020 1:37pm

ath262 wrote: »

I'd agree on that, the strange looking letter at the start of the Foley name, is the same as the W in William for the previous marriage

Thanks guys. I was hoping it was "William" as that's what I had on my tree as the father.

JDERIC2017 · 10-04-2020 11:13pm

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09782/5550795.pdf

Evening all, getting so much research done....

Trying to make out John O’Briens occupation, Ellen O’Brien and Andrew.

Thanks

tabbey · 10-04-2020 11:17pm

JDERIC2017 wrote: »

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09782/5550795.pdf

Evening all, getting so much research done....

Trying to make out John O’Briens occupation, Ellen O’Brien and Andrew.

Thanks

Stoker RN (Royal Navy), he shovelled coal into the ship's engine boiler.

JDERIC2017 · 10-04-2020 11:19pm

Great thank you

kanadams123 · 13-04-2020 2:01pm

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1879/2067107a.pdf

Need help in trying to understand what the writing on the right side of this birth registration. The writing isn't particularly difficult to decipher but there are words here and there I am not 100% sure of. There was no father or mother named on this civil birth record.

Thanks All...hope yer all staying safe!!

Vetch · 13-04-2020 2:24pm

kanadams123 wrote: »

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1879/2067107a.pdf

Need help in trying to understand what the writing on the right side of this birth registration. The writing isn't particularly difficult to decipher but there are words here and there I am not 100% sure of. There was no father or mother named on this civil birth record.

Thanks All...hope yer all staying safe!!

A portion of it is not present but I think it's to do with the mark of Maryanne Regan and that she has charge of the baby as sworn in a deposition before the presiding justice at a Petty Sessions in Ballyneen (Ballineen) on 5 January 188?. Baby is a foundling.

kanadams123 · 13-04-2020 2:51pm

Vetch wrote: »

A portion of it is not present but I think it's to do with the mark of Maryanne Regan and that she has charge of the baby as sworn in a deposition before the presiding justice at a Petty Sessions in Ballyneen (Ballineen) on 5 January 188?. Baby is a foundling.

Thanks Vetch. I believe the child was possibly a nephew to maryannes daughter-in-law. I'll have to look into it further though.

chewed · 16-04-2020 10:00am

hi, can you please have a look at this birth record for William Carey on the 4th row...

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03390/2242990.pdf

I wanted to find out the mother's (Mary Carey) maiden name. It looks like Clurrd????

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