Sinn Fein Richest Party on the Island of Ireland

SafeSurfer · 11-12-2019 2:44am #1

RTE documentary yesterday about Sinn Fein being left €4.6 million, possibly more by eccentric English millionaire William Hampton.

Will this huge windfall enable Sinn Fein to make electoral gains?

NIMAN · 11-12-2019 2:47am

No.

SafeSurfer · 11-12-2019 3:05am

NIMAN wrote: »

No.

Interesting analysis. There has been much criticism of the former FF tent at the Galway races raising money for FF but surely the legacy of an English landlord to SF will aid it’s election campaigns. If not why do political parties feel the need to raise funds at all?

Tow · 11-12-2019 9:40am

Need to rob ~25 ATM machines to make as much :-)

myshirt · 11-12-2019 9:56am

People like people who will tell them what they want to hear. And Sinn Fein will tell you anything if it gains electoral advantage for them. Anything.

This money will be spent online, with bespoke advertising and political messaging dependent on the person online. Just like Facebook analyse your posts, your friends posts, what you like, what you don't like, what you respond positively to, what you don't, etc, until they build up a profile of you, Sinn Fein follow the same principle. All parties do, but no party does it with 100% bullsh't. The next worst offender is probably at 10-15% bullsh't.

I do believe this money used wisely by them will advance their agenda. A lot of young people are SF voters. I do see them in Government as a minority partner in time.

Expect more Shinnerbots online soon.

maccored · 11-12-2019 10:03am

this whole shinnerbot bull**** is fantastic fantasy stuff.

Yurt2 · 11-12-2019 10:27am

Conspiracy theory: Sinn Fein found a naiive looney in England to launder the Northern Bank robbery money through.

Presto, ill-gotten cash lands in the lap of SF HQ upon his death. Dastardly and cunning in equal measure.

11-12-2019 10:47am

Yurt! wrote: »

Conspiracy theory: Sinn Fein found a naiive looney in England to launder the Northern Bank robbery money through.

Presto, ill-gotten cash lands in the lap of SF HQ upon his death. Dastardly and cunning in equal measure.

I 100% believe this from day one the story broke

11-12-2019 11:02am

maccored wrote: »

this whole shinnerbot bull**** is fantastic fantasy stuff.

https://www.sinnfein.ie/sfos

Jinglejangle69 · 11-12-2019 11:21am

maccored wrote: »

this whole shinnerbot bull**** is fantastic fantasy stuff.

“The internet and social media are transforming politics around the world and here in Ireland. Never before has there been so many ways that you can help influence and make change happen through this global online community we live in.”

“We are asking you to take the step today to become a Sinn Féin Online Supporter and join our campaign to reshape politics in Ireland and in doing so usher in an era of radical change that puts the interest of our citizens at the heart of all we do.”

blanch152 · 11-12-2019 11:45am

maccored wrote: »

this whole shinnerbot bull**** is fantastic fantasy stuff.

I don't think people on here are as exercised by this shinnerbot thing as you think. For a start, there is nobody starting threads in Feedback complaining about shinnerbots on the site. Secondly, I don't think boards.ie would feature highly on any list of social media sites being targetted by the SFOS. They are more likely to focus on Twitter and Facebook. Anyone who steps outside of their own cocoon on those sites will see clear evidence of the activities of the SFOS. Thirdly, the quality of the contributions from many of those who support or appear to support the Sinn Fein position on here is generally abysmally low (yourself being one of the few exceptions) and if this is centrally directed and controlled, that is not good for SF in the long run.

mattser · 11-12-2019 11:47am

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

“The internet and social media are transforming politics around the world and here in Ireland. Never before has there been so many ways that you can help influence and make change happen through this global online community we live in.”

“We are asking you to take the step today to become a Sinn F Online Supporter and join our campaign to reshape politics in Ireland and in doing so usher in an era of radical change that puts the interest of our citizens at the heart of all we do.”

So much for fantastic fantasy.

FrancieBrady · 11-12-2019 11:49am

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

“The internet and social media are transforming politics around the world and here in Ireland. Never before has there been so many ways that you can help influence and make change happen through this global online community we live in.”

“We are asking you to take the step today to become a Sinn Féin Online Supporter and join our campaign to reshape politics in Ireland and in doing so usher in an era of radical change that puts the interest of our citizens at the heart of all we do.”

Openly working online to campaign for a party? What's the problem with that?
We know all parties do that.
They all have an online presence on my Facebook and twitter feeds. (and do we really need to post the FG team hard at work photo again?)

I.E. So what if they are looking for people to promote the party online?

blanch152 · 11-12-2019 11:52am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Openly working online to campaign for a party? What's the problem with that?
We know all parties do that.
They all have an online presence on my Facebook and twitter feeds. (and do we really need to post the FG team hard at work photo again?)

I.E. So what if they are looking for people to promote the party online?

No, Johnny Dogs will do that shortly.

If those six to eight people in his picture can control the internet, wow.

FrancieBrady · 11-12-2019 11:56am

blanch152 wrote: »

No, Johnny Dogs will do that shortly.

If those six to eight people in his picture can control the internet, wow.

Are you suggesting SF's team are controlling the internet?

Paranoia strikes deep in the partitionist heartland.

Jinglejangle69 · 11-12-2019 12:00pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Openly working online to campaign for a party? What's the problem with that?
We know all parties do that.
They all have an online presence on my Facebook and twitter feeds. (and do we really need to post the FG team hard at work photo again?)

I.E. So what if they are looking for people to promote the party online?

Honestly I’m in agreement.

So can we finally put to bed that there are party bots( hate that word) at work here for any party?

And no more ridiculous threads in the feedback forum.

That’s a good move by all.

2ndcoming · 11-12-2019 12:02pm

Bash them all you want but very few under 40 will vote for FF / FG and Labour threw their credibility away by propping them up for TD's pensions.

Along with the Social Democrats and Greens they're one of the few parties any way in tune with what the younger generation will actually vote for.

The more the old Provo-stained generation are replaced by the likes of Pearse Doherty while the main parties stick to their Thatcherite ideologies the longer that will continue.

They also have a handy knack of not voting to drown migrants in the Mediterranean at EU level or allowing party members to get caught showing their true colours ala Messrs Murphy and Ms Bailey.

11-12-2019 12:04pm

The likes of Pearse Doherty is yer problem tbh

if yr bench quality is such that he is up there flinging numbers around for you as Finance spokesperson, yer ****ed

FrancieBrady · 11-12-2019 12:05pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Honestly I’m in agreement.

So can we finally put to bed that there are party bots( hate that word) at work here for any party?

And no more ridiculous threads in the feedback forum.

That’s a good move by all.

You are appealing to the wrong person. I have never had that weak an argument that I have had to stoop to calling somebody a 'bot'.

maccored · 11-12-2019 12:10pm

Yurt! wrote: »

Conspiracy theory: Sinn Fein found a naiive looney in England to launder the Northern Bank robbery money through.

Presto, ill-gotten cash lands in the lap of SF HQ upon his death. Dastardly and cunning in equal measure.

15 odd years later and we're still waiting on that 'proof' that the 'Ra robbed the northern bank. Trimble didnt want to talk to SF at the time but politically had to. then the robbery happened and Trimble no longer had to talk to SF. Doesnt take a genius to work out what actually happened.

Patrick2010 · 11-12-2019 12:10pm

Yurt! wrote: »

Conspiracy theory: Sinn Fein found a naiive looney in England to launder the Northern Bank robbery money through.

Presto, ill-gotten cash lands in the lap of SF HQ upon his death. Dastardly and cunning in equal measure.

Seems the most likely explanation, what’s the official story of how he came by all those millions?

blanch152 · 11-12-2019 12:13pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Are you suggesting SF's team are controlling the internet?

Paranoia strikes deep in the partitionist heartland.

I think you missed this reply to maccored.

blanch152 wrote: »

I don't think people on here are as exercised by this shinnerbot thing as you think. For a start, there is nobody starting threads in Feedback complaining about shinnerbots on the site. Secondly, I don't think boards.ie would feature highly on any list of social media sites being targetted by the SFOS. They are more likely to focus on Twitter and Facebook. Anyone who steps outside of their own cocoon on those sites will see clear evidence of the activities of the SFOS. Thirdly, the quality of the contributions from many of those who support or appear to support the Sinn Fein position on here is generally abysmally low (yourself being one of the few exceptions) and if this is centrally directed and controlled, that is not good for SF in the long run.

FrancieBrady · 11-12-2019 12:17pm

blanch152 wrote: »

I think you missed this reply to maccored.

No I didn't miss it. The crudity of the attempt to flame made me giggle, if that helps.

maccored · 11-12-2019 12:17pm

blanch152 wrote: »

I think you missed this reply to maccored.

you obviously missed the shinnerbot reference in this thread

SafeSurfer · 11-12-2019 12:32pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The likes of Pearse Doherty is yer problem tbh

if yr bench quality is such that he is up there flinging numbers around for you as Finance spokesperson, yer ****ed

I would see someone like Eoin O Brionn being a future party leader if he can ditch the Tom Clarke fanboy look.

Berserker · 11-12-2019 12:52pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Interesting analysis. There has been much criticism of the former FF tent at the Galway races raising money for FF but surely the legacy of an English landlord to SF will aid it’s election campaigns.

Why would the Irish electorate be enamored by the fact that an Englishman gave SF a large donation?

2ndcoming · 11-12-2019 12:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The likes of Pearse Doherty is yer problem tbh

if yr bench quality is such that he is up there flinging numbers around for you as Finance spokesperson, yer ****ed

Not sure what the you is all about, I rarely vote for Sinn Fein. I usually try and throw them a 3 or a 4. I never vote for the others though.

It isn't football, you don't have to pick a team. You're supposed to vote based on policies. And I don't mean fixing potholes.

Berserker · 11-12-2019 1:00pm

2ndcoming wrote: »

Not sure what the you is all about, I rarely vote for Sinn Fein. I usually try and throw them a 3 or a 4. I never vote for the others though.

You do vote for them, if you give them your third or fourth preference 'usually'.

2ndcoming wrote: »

It isn't football, you don't have to pick a team. You're supposed to vote based on policies. And I don't mean fixing potholes.

Most people don't vote based on policies though. Most Irish people vote for the party that their parents voted for.

SafeSurfer · 11-12-2019 1:26pm

Berserker wrote: »

Why would the Irish electorate be enamored by the fact that an Englishman gave SF a large donation?

Regardless of source of the money used to fight an election campaign its power to enable the fighting of that election can hardly be questioned.

My question I was will this huge windfall enable SF to win more seats?

If SF don’t think it will have any impact on the ability of the party to fight future elections why not donate the money to a mental health or homeless charity?

2ndcoming · 11-12-2019 1:34pm

Berserker wrote: »

You do vote for them, if you give them your third or fourth preference 'usually'.

Most people don't vote based on policies though. Most Irish people vote for the party that their parents voted for.

Well yeah, I have no issue throwing them something but it's not like I'm smuggling diesel. For the FG types there seems to be little distinction between the two.

Most Irish people are idiots, unfortunately. We laugh away at the Brits and Americans and then do the same thing ourselves.

Berserker · 11-12-2019 2:13pm

2ndcoming wrote: »

Well yeah, I have no issue throwing them something but it's not like I'm smuggling diesel. For the FG types there seems to be little distinction between the two.

You do realise that your vote, even a third or fourth could get them elected? Is it any different than giving them your first preference? Lucky for SF that people don't vote based on policy. If that was the case, they wouldn't get a vote from anyone who works and earns more than €37K.

2ndcoming wrote: »

We laugh away at the Brits and Americans and then do the same thing ourselves.

Laugh at them for doing what exactly?

SafeSurfer · 11-12-2019 2:53pm

Will Sinn Fein be allowed to use this money north and south or just in the north does anyone know?

James Brown · 11-12-2019 2:59pm

Some folk sniff an election. Where's the SD's are useless thread? or 'Fianna Fail, a disater!...when not in partnership with FG' thread?

I think money will help for advertising but folk have their idea of what each party offers.

El Tarangu · 11-12-2019 3:20pm

maccored wrote: »

this whole shinnerbot bull**** is fantastic fantasy stuff.

... says the Shinnerbot, as he joins the thread 5 posts in.

FrancieBrady · 11-12-2019 3:23pm

El Tarangu wrote: »

... says the Shinnerbot, as he joins the thread 5 posts in.

Don't think maccored has ever hidden the fact that he is a member of SF, in fairness.

maccored · 11-12-2019 3:31pm

El Tarangu wrote: »

... says the Shinnerbot, as he joins the thread 5 posts in.

shinnerbot - hahahahaha.

You may go google 'bot' while yer at it.

maccored · 11-12-2019 3:34pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Don't think maccored has ever hidden the fact that he is a member of SF, in fairness.

" "El Tarangu", a word in the Asturian language for a man reputed for his strength and character."

says it all really

tayto lover · 11-12-2019 3:37pm

maccored wrote: »

15 odd years later and we're still waiting on that 'proof' that the 'Ra robbed the northern bank. Trimble didnt want to talk to SF at the time but politically had to. then the robbery happened and Trimble no longer had to talk to SF. Doesnt take a genius to work out what actually happened.

So Trimble’s aides sent some of the stolen money down to Cork in Daz boxes?

maccored · 11-12-2019 3:53pm

tayto lover wrote: »

So Trimble’s aides sent some of the stolen money down to Cork in Daz boxes?

the RUC set aside 50 grand which was found in their gym .... thems the facts. Yer man in cork was jailed for being an IRA member - not charged with laundering money to do with the bank robbery. Ted Cunningham on the other hand was done for money laundering but wasnt charged with being in the IRA. As I say - 15 years later and still not an ounce of evidence to point to the IRA

Berserker · 11-12-2019 4:02pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

My question I was will this huge windfall enable SF to win more seats?

Don't think so. People will still love SF or have a strong dislike for them. No amount of money or advertising is ever going to change that.

SafeSurfer wrote: »

If SF don’t think it will have any impact on the ability of the party to fight future elections why not donate the money to a mental health or homeless charity?

That would be a nice gesture but SF are more into receiving than giving.

FrancieBrady · 11-12-2019 4:16pm

Berserker wrote: »

That would be a nice gesture but SF are more into receiving than giving.

Like any political party ever funneled donations to charities.

2ndcoming · 11-12-2019 6:50pm

Berserker wrote: »

You do realise that your vote, even a third or fourth could get them elected? Is it any different than giving them your first preference? Lucky for SF that people don't vote based on policy. If that was the case, they wouldn't get a vote from anyone who works and earns more than €37K.

Laugh at them for doing what exactly?

Some people put more thought into voting than 'how much will this directly affect me in my pocket?'

Democracy is a societal construct, it isn't supposed to be carte blanche to the most self-serving who think nothing of society.

blanch152 · 12-12-2019 1:14pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Some folk sniff an election. Where's the SD's are useless thread? or 'Fianna Fail, a disater!...when not in partnership with FG' thread?

I think money will help for advertising but folk have their idea of what each party offers.

With six or seven threads on Fine Gael, and one on Sinn Fein, I think we can pretty much determine which folk are sniffing an election and getting their digs in (and it is not FG supporters, or the ludicrous, laughable and silly idea that there are FG bots on here).

The Social Democrats are pointless, nothing different or new to offer, just a home for some ex-Labour people who couldn't get on with the previous leadership. what's left of them will be back in Labour after the election.

As for the Sinn Fein money, as someone else suggested earlier in the thread, finding this man's accounts all over the world is a good way to safely launder what's left of the Northern Bank money that wasn't used to build house extensions all over Dublin for former IRA men.

12-12-2019 1:18pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Will Sinn Fein be allowed to use this money north and south or just in the north does anyone know?

Its an all Ireland party.

The Satanist · 12-12-2019 1:21pm

Cash- strapped RTE brown nose FFG, election incoming.

tayto lover · 12-12-2019 1:32pm

blanch152 wrote: »

With six or seven threads on Fine Gael, and one on Sinn Fein, I think we can pretty much determine which folk are sniffing an election and getting their digs in (and it is not FG supporters, or the ludicrous, laughable and silly idea that there are FG bots on here).

The Social Democrats are pointless, nothing different or new to offer, just a home for some ex-Labour people who couldn't get on with the previous leadership. what's left of them will be back in Labour after the election.

As for the Sinn Fein money, as someone else suggested earlier in the thread, finding this man's accounts all over the world is a good way to safely launder what's left of the Northern Bank money that wasn't used to build house extensions all over Dublin for former IRA men.

Which party has the most money?
How do I join?
How long will I be waiting on my house extension afterwards?

maccored · 12-12-2019 3:35pm

blanch152 wrote: »

As for the Sinn Fein money, as someone else suggested earlier in the thread, finding this man's accounts all over the world is a good way to safely launder what's left of the Northern Bank money that wasn't used to build house extensions all over Dublin for former IRA men.

And you can back this up how? Proof must be an unheard of word in the house of blanch152

Odhinn · 12-12-2019 3:39pm

maccored wrote: »

And you can back this up how? Proof must be an unheard of word in the house of blanch152

\he probably blames shinners for the famine, so expect no better here.

blanch152 · 12-12-2019 3:46pm

maccored wrote: »

And you can back this up how? Proof must be an unheard of word in the house of blanch152

Friend of mine worked on a few of them in Dublin 7. About as much proof as anyone posts on here.

FrancieBrady · 12-12-2019 3:50pm

maccored wrote: »

And you can back this up how? Proof must be an unheard of word in the house of blanch152

When it is SF or the IRA, an allegation is enough for blanch, the alleged is guilty by dint of his suspicions. Enda Kenny used operate on the same 'principle' - make the allegation the dirt will stick.

If it is the British, the DUP, FG or anyone else, full form proof in triplicate is required.

Gas really.

Darc19 · 12-12-2019 3:53pm

I reckon this came just in time for SF as their £26m previous "donation" was running out.

Sinn Fein Richest Party on the Island of Ireland

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