General Arcade & Retro Chat' Special Championship Edition

Retr0gamer wrote: »

MI'll have to take a look at N64. However unless things have changed in doubt it will look right. Effects weren't emulated well. That might have changed. But the big issue is that emulators just slap a four point texture filter on art that was created for the n64s three point filter. And it always looks bad. You get really ugly stairing effects that aren't there in the original game. I'll have to see if some have taken the Doom 64 route and are filtering textures properly.

I'm pretty sure AngryLion is the most advanced LLE RDP emulation technique we've seen to date. It blows original hardware away when you allow it to upscale (a nice hybrid LLE/HLE feature set they recently enough introduced). There's talk of the VI shader being used in conjunction with Parallel & AngryLion to produce near identical results to OG hardware....just, better though, given the resolution increase.

I've seen the DF video on Doom 64, and yes the three point filtering was interesting...but it'll be a cold day in hell before I sit in front of a stock N64 again I'm not sure if AngryLion applies four point filtering or three point, but I'll try find out

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I was a proud owner of Sonic 2 on the Game Gear.

Equally proud to report I got past the first level maybe once due to the infuriating bouncy death ball during the first boss being nearly impossible to judge on that tiny screen.

I have it too and think I passed it once, it's pretty tough.
Chaos and Triple Trouble were much better

I got speedball 2 for the PS3, are there many other remakes of classic games?. Which remain pretty similar to the original gameplay.

I am thinking more games which were not arcade games, I have r-type dimensions but I am thinking classic amiga/st/C64/spectrum games.



I saw one of my old favourites jetpack was even done, but not on PS3



And not necessarily proper releases with much better graphics, like do guys release remakes they did themselves which might be free. I saw people remaking games for the amiga, like making a much better version of bombjack than what was released.

Nice to see the Pocket is getting an adaptor as well for the PCE/SGX stuff.

Dangerous bringing politics into this forum, I have seen peaceful places become toxic over night with that kind of talk. Back to gaming that PC-engine CD system sure has style.

The one place I can think where FPGA based emulation/simulation will have a clear cut advantage is timing.

It's so hard to get timing right in even a simple emulator. Even if you proclaim your emulator to be cycle accurate, there's more to it than that when it comes to stepping a CPU and PPU (in the example of a NES emulator, which is a hobby of mine right now).

With FPGAs, you can have clocks that drive the different components and have them interact with each other in a "real" way, but of course, you need to actually make sure that you cater for all the quirks of the hardware once you've done that.

The Last Bandit wrote: »

Lovely piece of kit, although I’m get a bit tired of their inaccurate fgpa is not emulation marketing bullsh1te

The truth doesn't have that same ring to it though..."NO EMULATION....except for the bits & pieces we learned from our collaborations with Byuu."

Colonel Panic wrote: »

The one place I can think where FPGA based emulation/simulation will have a clear cut advantage is timing.

It's so hard to get timing right in even a simple emulator. Even if you proclaim your emulator to be cycle accurate, there's more to it than that when it comes to stepping a CPU and PPU (in the example of a NES emulator, which is a hobby of mine right now).

Indeed. Accurate emulation is very, very, very difficult to achieve. Thankfully we've had a few decades now of extremely talented coders who've brought emulation to where it is. It's still improving all the time, and is in seriously good hands with the people that are driving it.

The timing/sync issues you mention are valid concerns. They've been solved on any perceptible level though...ie, place three identical modern tv's beside each other, and have a something like a real Snes, an FPGA replica, and x86 hardware using a modern emulation solution....anyone claiming to be able to tell the difference between them will likely be talking crap/guessing.

I'm not on here harking on about emulation because I can't afford to collect original hardware. I've spent thousands on original hardware over the years...and paired with a crt, it will and likely always will be king of the hill. My fondness for emulation is because of how damn close it is these days, with modern tv's. Shaders, run-ahead, and unified controls mean with the right frontend....it's seriously convenient, cost effective, and space saving. Again, for 16bit and below...emulation is perceptibly identical in terms of actually playing games, so for me it doesn't matter exactly how the emulator in use arrived at its 1's and 0's....as long as the game plays, looks, and sounds right...then it is right. Heck even original hardware has differences from revision to revision (MegaDrive and MegaDrive II for example.)

When it comes to more modern consoles like GameCube, Wii, and so forth...I pretty much prefer emulation over the originals because of the ability to upscale 3d resolutions. Yes the compatibility isn't 100%, but for my use case, 90%+ will do just fine.

Everything has a place, original hardware, emulation, and fpga. The whole idea is people play & enjoy the games. There's still a saddening amount of toffee-nose ignorance aimed at those who don't enjoy their games using original hardware, using a crt tv, and an rgb scart cable.