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maximoose · 26-02-2020 5:11pm

Just give me a date and a price please

26-02-2020 8:08pm

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

what tv? A 4K HDR one? these are surely the standard at this stage.

I was initially slow to commit to a day one purchase, but to be honest, MS have generated nothing but goodwill from me with the stuff they've implemented in relation to gamepass, gamesharing, free upgrades of software, backwards compatibility, X-enhanced versions of older titles.
And fair enough, the one X isn't that old, but theres still plenty games that perform poorly and could badly do with a power boost (pubg is the easy callout, but you can say similar for the witcher 3 and plenty others).

120hz or above with low millisecond response are not standard @ 4k HDR

TitianGerm · 26-02-2020 8:11pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

120hz and above are not standard @ 4k HDR

Don't think the series X will hit 120hz at full 4K. You need a serious GPU on its own to hit those targets on a PC.

26-02-2020 8:16pm

TitianGerm wrote: »

Don't think the series X will hit 120hz at full 4K. You need a serious GPU on its own to hit those targets on a PC.

60 - 120fps is point 1 of their selling arguments from Microsoft

And this was my original point

"People tend to forget about the TV they require if they are to get the maximum benefits from this."

TitianGerm · 26-02-2020 8:20pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

60 - 120fps is point 1 of their selling arguments from Microsoft

And this was my original point

"People tend to forget about the TV they require if they are to get the maximum benefits from this."

Up to 120 FPS. It's extremely unlikely that they will hit those targets very often, especially at 4K.

60 FPS will be the main goal of next gen.

ZiabR · 27-02-2020 10:26am

maximoose wrote: »

Just give me a date and a price please

I would hazard a guess of 20th-23rd Nov at a price of €500-€549.

marcbrophy · 27-02-2020 3:52pm

ZiabR wrote: »

I would hazard a guess of 20th-23rd Nov at a price of €500-€549.

I'd imagine you are right with the 20th as the 27th is Black Friday, so a bad choice for release day

Stone Deaf 4evr · 27-02-2020 4:26pm

marcbrophy wrote: »

I'd imagine you are right with the 20th as the 27th is Black Friday, so a bad choice for release day

I reckon they'll go earlier than thanksgiving. my bets on the 6th of November. Who knows though, they could be going for a very early summer launch - be mad if it was out around E3. they're being pretty aggressive in their PR at the moment, in stark contrast to silence from the Sony camp, who haven't revealed anything except the logo.

ZiabR · 27-02-2020 5:53pm

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

I reckon they'll go earlier than thanksgiving. my bets on the 6th of November. Who knows though, they could be going for a very early summer launch - be mad if it was out around E3. they're being pretty aggressive in their PR at the moment, in stark contrast to silence from the Sony camp, who haven't revealed anything except the logo.

Sony are in damage control at the moment. They know they might be in trouble this generation. Its widely rumoured that the PS5 is slightly less powerful than the series X. The leaks we have seen so far suggest that the GPU is not as powerful and the PS5 will run hotter than the series X because Sony will need to clock higher to maximise performance.

Hardware aside, Sony have to contend with xCloud, Azure Servers and GamesPass. Microsoft are in a VERY strong position for the next 10 years. As mentioned last month, Phil Spencer has said he sees Amazon/Google as a bigger threat for the next generation because they have banks of cloud servers and they are continuing to invest into this area.

Sony on the other hand are looking to piggy back on the servers and networks of others with what will likely be weaker hardware. Exclusives wont be be enough for Sony either.

HairySalmon · 27-02-2020 7:14pm

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

I reckon they'll go earlier than thanksgiving. my bets on the 6th of November. Who knows though, they could be going for a very early summer launch - be mad if it was out around E3. they're being pretty aggressive in their PR at the moment, in stark contrast to silence from the Sony camp, who haven't revealed anything except the logo.

Sony released two Wired interviews last year starting in April where they went into a huge amount of detail about the core features of the console, and it was MS that was silent until December.

Sony are unusually quiet right now, though. With them pulling out of conferences, I wonder did they plan an event that they’ve had to convert into a direct that messed with their timelines? Who knows.

rob808 · 27-02-2020 7:37pm

ZiabR wrote: »

I would hazard a guess of 20th-23rd Nov at a price of €500-€549.

It be well worth it at that price given the specs of xbox series x just hoping ps5 specs are false since there a 1 year old and just rumors.

CatInABox · 27-02-2020 7:57pm

I'm 99.99% sure that the rumours of Sony being so far behind are a load of b***s.

wotzgoingon · 27-02-2020 8:48pm

I'm looking forward to this release. I hope they release it around late September early October just in time for the dark evenings when you would be doing damn all so can game more often. I'm not one to be inside gaming when it is a great day outside.

27-02-2020 9:17pm

HairySalmon wrote: »

Sony are unusually quiet right now, though. With them pulling out of conferences, I wonder did they plan an event that they’ve had to convert into a direct that messed with their timelines? Who knows.

In an earnings call Sony said the reveal timeline would be similar to the PS4.

PS4 was announced in Feb with some tech specs and release window. It was properly unveiled in June and price was announced at that time. Specific release dates were announced in August.

So I wouldn't expect them to deviate much from that. The difference is that they already announced the system and gave a release window. So that part is done. I would look at June give or take for the full unveil and price announcement.

ZiabR · 28-02-2020 9:44am

CatInABox wrote: »

I'm 99.99% sure that the rumours of Sony being so far behind are a load of b***s.

I am not saying that the PS5 will be poor. I have said before the PS5 will be an amazing console but we do know that some of the leaks from the development kits show the PS5 to be behind the Series X on the GPU front. Not massively, we will just have to wait and see.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 28-02-2020 11:01am

CatInABox wrote: »

I'm 99.99% sure that the rumours of Sony being so far behind are a load of b***s.

for the base console? no, I reckon they'll be very very close in terms of specs, but gamers are a fickle bunch, and anything been seen as a deficiency is always pounced upon as fuel for the fanboys.

their network services are not on the same level though really, gamepass ultimate giving gold, and netflix style gaming across pc, console and cautiously rolling out to mobiles via streaming is supremely impressive.

even if sony were to match that product at launch of the PS5, thats an awful lot of balls to keep juggling, along with the introduction of a new console.

CatInABox · 28-02-2020 11:23am

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

for the base console? no, I reckon they'll be very very close in terms of specs, but gamers are a fickle bunch, and anything been seen as a deficiency is always pounced upon as fuel for the fanboys.

their network services are not on the same level though really, gamepass ultimate giving gold, and netflix style gaming across pc, console and cautiously rolling out to mobiles via streaming is supremely impressive.

even if sony were to match that product at launch of the PS5, thats an awful lot of balls to keep juggling, along with the introduction of a new console.

Was only talking hardware, with the rumour going around that PS5 will be only 9 TFs or so. I'm quite happy with how MS has responded to falling behind in this generation. Part of Sony's lack of response to the things MS is doing is the fact that they don't really need to. They're so far ahead it's ridiculous.

Long term, xCloud will probably be a bigger deal than any console hardwre anyway. It's clearly not for people that are framerate/latency intolerant, but it definitely works well enough for most people, and that's where the big growth is going to come over the next 10/20 years. Everyone wants to lock down the emerging markets, India, China (if they ever relax about game regulations), and the like. Not many people over there buying consoles, but everyone has a phone.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 28-02-2020 11:33am

CatInABox wrote: »

Was only talking hardware, with the rumour going around that PS5 will be only 9 TFs or so. I'm quite happy with how MS has responded to falling behind in this generation. Part of Sony's lack of response to the things MS is doing is the fact that they don't really need to. They're so far ahead it's ridiculous.

Long term, xCloud will probably be a bigger deal than any console hardwre anyway. It's clearly not for people that are framerate/latency intolerant, but it definitely works well enough for most people, and that's where the big growth is going to come over the next 10/20 years. Everyone wants to lock down the emerging markets, India, China (if they ever relax about game regulations), and the like. Not many people over there buying consoles, but everyone has a phone.

Have you tried xcloud yet? Its pretty good, but I badly need an upgrade from my woeful vodafone router. They need to do something with text scaling as well, I generally play with subtitles on , and they can be miniscule on a phone.

CatInABox · 28-02-2020 11:55am

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

Have you tried xcloud yet? Its pretty good, but I badly need an upgrade from my woeful vodafone router. They need to do something with text scaling as well, I generally play with subtitles on , and they can be miniscule on a phone.

Yeah, I've tried it out and about, I was very impressed with it. As I said, it won't be for everyone, but even games that I thought wouldn't work with increased latency do actually just work. If I wasn't playing on an extremely cramped screen, I'd have forgotten that I wasn't playing on a console, at least for the games that I tested out.

Once xCloud and the like become a bigger development target, I can see issues like small text going away. Might not happen for existing games, but sure as hell publishers are looking at the potential sales that streaming might bring, and customising for that setup probably won't be too much work.

Lord Spence · 28-02-2020 12:38pm

With the news of the cornovirus getting worse and worse I'm starting to think this console launch is going to be delayed until next year. With microsoft pulling out of GDC I wonder also what are the chances for E3 being cancelled and what that will mean for the microsoft event and the expected full reveal

Stone Deaf 4evr · 28-02-2020 12:54pm

Lord Spence wrote: »

With the news of the cornovirus getting worse and worse I'm starting to think this console launch is going to be delayed until next year. With microsoft pulling out of GDC I wonder also what are the chances for E3 being cancelled and what that will mean for the microsoft event and the expected full reveal

I think they're planning on running a stream from Their Headquarters for GDC, and in fairness, the reveal of the series X could be done in a similar fashion, the actual physical attendance at E3 is only a fraction of a percentage of an audience for a console reveal.

HairySalmon · 28-02-2020 1:19pm

Lord Spence wrote: »

With the news of the cornovirus getting worse and worse I'm starting to think this console launch is going to be delayed until next year. With microsoft pulling out of GDC I wonder also what are the chances for E3 being cancelled and what that will mean for the microsoft event and the expected full reveal

Production is starting up again in China. If the virus levels off before summer the only thing that might be affected is the availability of units at launch.

Production of the consoles won’t start until a few months before release, so if they’re aiming for a November launch and the virus begins to taper off we’ll in advance, nothing will be delayed.

Tbh I wouldn’t care for E3 to be cancelled and all major companies to do directs. They’re much better than longwinded, cringe, live shows.

Lord Spence · 28-02-2020 1:51pm

HairySalmon wrote: »

Production is starting up again in China. If the virus levels off before summer the only thing that might be affected is the availability of units at launch.

Production of the consoles won’t start until a few months before release, so if they’re aiming for a November launch and the virus begins to taper off we’ll in advance, nothing will be delayed.

Tbh I wouldn’t care for E3 to be cancelled and all major companies to do directs. They’re much better than longwinded, cringe, live shows.

I must admit I love the live shows, love the energy in the room and the reaction good or bad depending on what is announced.

02-03-2020 9:36am

More power seems to be the selling point here

02-03-2020 12:33pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

More power seems to be the selling point here

I dont know, to me I think it's all about games. If xbox comes out with a boat load of exclusives then people will buy it. Will people buy it just to play 3rd party titles? Possibly, because it's going to be more powerful than most of our PC's but then you still have the keyboard mouse vs controller issue.

Nah to me it's all games. With great exclusives and all available on game pass it's a no brainer to me xbox all the way.

Problem is I dont think they'll have anything fantastic at launch. People will easily pass on another Halo and another Forza. Especially as you will be able to play them on your one x.

brav · 16-03-2020 1:33pm

Digital Foundry with info from a visit to MS:

Video:
Xbox Series X Complete Specs + Ray Tracing/Gears 5/Back-Compat/Quick Resume Demo Showcase!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcY4nRHapmE

Article:
Inside Xbox Series X: the full specs
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-inside-xbox-series-x-full-specs

brav · 16-03-2020 2:13pm

They also had a follow-up video/article comparing it hands on with the XB One X:

Xbox Series X: just how big is it - and how does it compare to Xbox One X?
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-just-how-big-is-xbox-series-x-really

DF Direct: Hands-On With Xbox Series X + Impressions + Xbox One X Size Comparisons!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cmclCjS5jg

CatInABox · 16-03-2020 2:16pm

1080p Xbox One games upscaled to 4k. Nice, so long as the game gets updated to support it.

HDR support added to all Xbox games at a system level, including the original Xbox console. Nice.

Currently working my way through the videos. Looks really impressive so far.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 16-03-2020 2:23pm

very interesting and in depth article.

I don't understand an iota of it.

16-03-2020 5:55pm

All sounds very promising (the bits I understood). They have to start talking games now. Demos of Gears 5 and Minecraft just won't cut it.

brav · 16-03-2020 6:28pm

Deleted User wrote: »

All sounds very promising (the bits I understood). They have to start talking games now. Demos of Gears 5 and Minecraft just won't cut it.

This was probably supposed to be around the time of GDC before it got cancelled so mainly developer focused, prob having sessions with developers on the DX tools and guides on building for the console.

Games is more of an E3 or consumer thing so would expect that later in the year

HairySalmon · 16-03-2020 6:56pm

Looks class in fairness.

If this costs €500/550 I’d be shocked because by all accounts it should be closer to €600.

theteal · 16-03-2020 7:02pm

Not watched them yet but I will. In the last week I've gone from "no interest" to "yeah, I'll trade my X as soon as there's a decent deal". As I've been locked in the house for the last week I've actually sat down and played a few games. It's been fun.

Just when I thought I was growing up, damn you xbox!

Edit: My X is a noisy baxtard so I kinda want rid.

16-03-2020 8:35pm

theteal wrote: »

Edit: My X is a noisy baxtard so I kinda want rid.

Noisy is not something I've ever heard before to describe the X. Mine is whisper quiet. Sounds like you've got something wrong there, maybe you haven't given the vents enough space or something.

DelBoy Trotter · 16-03-2020 9:18pm

With the way things are going with the Corona Virus, I’d be highly surprised if this isn’t delayed

wotzgoingon · 16-03-2020 9:20pm

Mine isn't noisy either but saying that if I game with the Tv on silent you would hear it but still quiet for the power it has. Compare it to a Xbox 360 they are like a jet engine.

Mr Crispy · 17-03-2020 3:15am

Only got around to watching the DF videos there this evening. Impressive tech and some genuine innovation there. Hopefully they'll have the games to back it up.

17-03-2020 10:15am

Proprietary expansion cards is understandable (to ensure baseline performance) but also concerning. Being proprietary and with a single manfuacturer (Seagate) the price will probably not be competitive. Probably won't come down in price over the life of the console at the same rate as non-proprietary SSDs.

I assume it'll be locked down so other vendors can't just make their own cards and push prices down. I hope i'm wrong. We could be looking at a Vita type situation where a console is ruined by expensive proprietary storage.

HairySalmon · 17-03-2020 11:03am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Proprietary expansion cards is understandable (to ensure baseline performance) but also concerning. Being proprietary and with a single manfuacturer (Seagate) the price will probably not be competitive. Probably won't come down in price over the life of the console at the same rate as non-proprietary SSDs.

I assume it'll be locked down so other vendors can't just make their own cards and push prices down. I hope i'm wrong. We could be looking at a Vita type situation where a console is ruined by expensive proprietary storage.

It’s not ideal but they existed for the 360 and likely will for PS5 too.

Sony mentioned SSD’s allow games to be more streamlined as assets don’t need to be duplicated for accessibility due to the slow HDD, so that’ll apply to Series X too and make the drives capacity better compared to traditional drives.

I’m totally fine with the trade off here. They’ll always be more expensive than regular drives, but I’d rather the benefits.

17-03-2020 12:31pm

The games can only run from the internal drive or the expansion drive so I'd imagine this kind of propriety drive is to ensure that people aren't trying to run games from cheaper slower drives.

Not sure what to expect in terms of price? MS have the buying power to get them at a certain price but at a good 1TB NVMe based drive at the moment is €200-250 at retail.

Did they mention the specs for the expansion drive?

17-03-2020 1:12pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Not sure what to expect in terms of price? MS have the buying power to get them at a certain price but at a good 1TB NVMe based drive at the moment is €200-250 at retail.
Did they mention the specs for the expansion drive?

They said 2.4GB/s for the internal so you'd have to assume the external will match that.

A good 1TB NVMe in this ballpark is €200+ and that's in a competitive environment. With a proprietary form-factor, probably a license fee going to MS, only one manufacturer (no competition), that could easily translate to €250-300 for 1TB.

In my opinion 1TB is going to be very limiting next-gen. There's multiple 100GB+ titles this gen. Don't mind what they're saying about asset de-dupe.

CatInABox · 17-03-2020 5:12pm

From the wording of the announcement of the external drives, Seagate is just the launch partner, and it'll be opened up afterwards. That's what I got from it anyway.

17-03-2020 5:59pm

CatInABox wrote: »

From the wording of the announcement of the external drives, Seagate is just the launch partner, and it'll be opened up afterwards. That's what I got from it anyway.

That's good news. Hopefully there's more info about that side of things soon.

17-03-2020 6:32pm

Seems it's just the games optimised for series X that will need to run from the new internal or SSD's. All others can be run from a USB 3.1 drive as is currently possible.

17-03-2020 6:48pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Seems it's just the games optimised for series X that will need to run from the new internal or SSD's. All others can be run from a USB 3.1 drive as is currently possible.

And I'd imagine you can store games on a USB drive.

All I need is space for 2 games on the go. Once I'm done with a game I never go back.

17-03-2020 6:52pm

Anyone else consider this a gaming PC replacement? It would be great if developers would embrace KB&M and then there really is no need for me to upgrade my pc.

My PC is not even a year old and already it is nowhere near this level of performance.

wotzgoingon · 17-03-2020 6:57pm

I have a gaming PC and cannot use KB&M. There is a learning curve that I tried once or twice for a few minutes and gave up. Controller feels more natural to me. That is from years of playing consoles.

17-03-2020 8:14pm

I'm the same. I can type with a well above average degree of speed and accuracy and not look at the keys but I'm terrible at gaming with them.

I use a mouse with my left hand so that reverses the look and move controls as opposed to using a controller. No training me out of that one at this stage of life

18-03-2020 2:26pm

All about the muscle memory. The more you use KB/M, the easier it gets.

The machine looks great but wouldn't make me replace my PC with one. I have Game Pass so i'll get all the games for it anyway.

18-03-2020 9:37pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

All about the muscle memory. The more you use KB/M, the easier it gets.

The machine looks great but wouldn't make me replace my PC with one. I have Game Pass so i'll get all the games for it anyway.

You probably have a high spec machine. I'm wondering how much would you need to spend to get a pc with similar performance? Gotta be 1000+ easily.

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