gay friendly places to buy a home

Heebie · 09-06-2021 2:21pm #1

Hello everyone?

I'm looking to purchase a home this year. Preferably a new apartment, but open to other options.

What I'm trying to find out is where in the Dublin area (in the city or suburbs/commuter routes, especially those served by rail or light rail) LGBTQIA+ people tend to feel safe living.

Any genuine input on this would be greatly appreciated.

It would be easy of we had a "gay ghetto" here in Dublin, but e don't seem to

Thanks in advance!

Padre_Pio · 09-06-2021 2:23pm

Are there any gay unfriendly places in Dublin?

yer man! · 09-06-2021 2:29pm

I lived in Dublin city center and out in the suburbs for a couple years. Being gay never came into the equation. It was more if someone wanted to have a go with you in an unsafe area it didn't seem to matter what sexuality you had, it could be your grey jacket they didn't like or you gave them "a look". So I would focus on generally avoiding anti social hotspots and you should be fine.

berocca2016 · 09-06-2021 2:33pm

I would agree that there is no where I've heard in Dublin which is particularly anti-gay.

I bought a house 5 years ago in D12 and have never had an issue in the slightest if that helps. The houses are going for roughly the same price as new build apartments.

Been to the local pubs with a bunch of gay mates and no one even batted an eyelid. Understand you may be a bit nervous it is a big decision but I'd give most people the benefit of the doubt!

Heebie · 09-06-2021 6:14pm

yer man! wrote:

So I would focus on generally avoiding anti social hotspots and you should be fine.

Where might I find out where those are? (Other than the one I live down the street from currently)

randy hickey · 09-06-2021 6:17pm

Heebie wrote: »

Where might I find out where those are? (Other than the one I live down the street from currently)

The courts section of The Herald.

Locker10a · 10-06-2021 1:17pm

Heebie wrote: »

Where might I find out where those are? (Other than the one I live down the street from currently)

How long have you been living in Ireland/Dublin?! Out of interest

Heebie · 10-06-2021 6:41pm

Locker10a wrote:

How long have you been living in Ireland/Dublin?! Out of interest

15+ years. (and I do understand that a lot of people are going to think I haven't been paying attention.)

I really wish we did have a majority LQBTQIA+ section of town where I could live mainly among my peers.

I've gotten some advice on places to try and avoid, but none such as "I really like being in <insert area> and feel safe here."
Avoiding the few places it's been suggested I avoid doesn't narrow things down very much.

berocca2016 · 10-06-2021 7:32pm

Heebie wrote: »

15+ years. (and I do understand that a lot of people are going to think I haven't been paying attention.)

I really wish we did have a majority LQBTQIA+ section of town where I could live mainly among my peers.

I've gotten some advice on places to try and avoid, but none such as "I really like being in <insert area> and feel safe here."
Avoiding the few places it's been suggested I avoid doesn't narrow things down very much.

What city has areas in which the majority of people are gay? Even Soho, Chueca etc. would have majority hetero populations despite their huge amount of gay bars.

Ninthlife · 10-06-2021 7:54pm

Imagine the outrage if some one said they wanted to live in a 'straight ghetto'

Locker10a · 10-06-2021 9:30pm

tailorspy wrote: »

I'm not sure ghetto-isation or segregation is something I would think is progressive. But if you have had bad experiences then it's understandable that you would want to find somewhere to live in peace.

Is the city centre more "cosmopolitan" than the 'burbs? I don't know really.

I’d agree, to me a country where any citizen can happily live anywhere is the goal. Segregation isn’t sustainable, you’ll find it’s a product of persecution or marginalization. Which isn’t progressive. And I don’t think is applicable to Ireland regarding the gay community in 2021.
My advice is research a decent area that’s in your budget, visit the area and make an judgement on of its a place you’d like to settle, live, socialise

JupiterKid · 11-06-2021 9:37pm

I’m also a person who is not a fan of “gay ghettos” - it’s one thing to have bars, clubs, cafes etc. catering to the LGBT community clustered in one place in a city or town.... but quite another to have gay people feeling that they have to live close together in a geographical context for safety.

Ireland has undergone far-reaching and profound social and economic change over the past 30 years and out LGBT people live openly all over the country - from inner cities to tiny rural villages and out in the open country. And whilst cities historically tend to be more tolerant of difference, given Ireland’s small size - I don’t think there is anywhere that is a dangerous or very unfriendly place for LGBT people to live now. Rural Leitrim or North Cork are not Alabama or Idaho.

That said, I do acknowledge that many LGBT people do want to live in close proximity to others who are similar. It’s human nature. The Census 2016 results showed that Dublin 7 - and in particular the Stoneybatter area - has the highest concentration of cohabiting same-sex couples and many people consider it a “hip” and gentrifying area. Dublin 8 - especially around the Liberties - also has higher concentrations of LGBT households as does the East Wall and Docklands areas in Dublin 1 and 3.

Research has consistently shown that LGBT people cluster into cities and within those cities prefer to live in more central areas, close to nightlife and amenities. With more same-sex couples having children, I would imagine more and more are opting to live in the suburbs and commuter towns along with straight couples with children.

And then there is our severely dysfunctional housing market and the lack of affordable accommodation dictating where people - LGBT or not - can afford to live as opposed to where they want to live.

I myself live in the North inner suburbs of Dublin - been here 6 years now and absolutely no issues. My neighbours are friendly, tolerant and decent.

ixoy · 11-06-2021 9:43pm

Bought a place in the 'burbs in D5 and wasn't really concerned at all. No issues whatsoever and, as it turns out, we're not the only gay couple even in the small stretch around us. I really think nobody gives a fiddlers for the large part.

Stihl waters · 11-06-2021 9:44pm

Idiotic stuff, but on the plus side I'm living in a straight utopia where the nearest gay person is over 300 meters away, its great to be cordoned off from all the LGBTQ DREUHJODESSBNJGS+ looking for hot sex in my area

John_Rambo · 11-06-2021 9:50pm

I've had gay neighbours wherever I lived in Dublin.

Those places are:

North East inner city
Drumcondra
South lots
Fairview
Raheny
Clontarf

JupiterKid · 11-06-2021 9:52pm

Can I ask you OP - if you don’t mind - if you are a “queer separatist” person, who ardently wishes to live in an LGBT area away from non gay people?

If so - Stoneybatter in Dublin 7 would be your best bet (see my last post) especially the Oxmantown district. Only drawback is that house and apartment prices there are very steep in terms of price/rent per square metre.

Patd6 · 11-06-2021 9:58pm

Based here in tallaght village, indeed I am the only gay in the village

Heebie · 13-06-2021 9:18am

JupiterKid wrote:

Can I ask you OP - if you donâ€™t mind - if you are a â€œqueer separatistâ€ person, who ardently wishes to live in an LGBT area away from non gay people?

I wouldn't call myself that. I don't want to buy in an area where I'm likely to get "f**bashed" walking down the street with someone I'm dating etc... This sort of thing happens, even in new, modern, progressive Ireland.

Mimon · 13-06-2021 9:28am

Heebie wrote: »

I wouldn't call myself that. I don't want to buy in an area where I'm likely to get "f**bashed" walking down the street with someone I'm dating etc... This sort of thing happens, even in new, modern, progressive Ireland.

Who does this? Is it people from the rougher parts of the city? Very sad that it can happen at all but is it really a common occurrence?

There is a general problem with increased anti social behaviour and these type of people are looking for any excuse to cause trouble.

Annasopra · 13-06-2021 10:31am

Mimon wrote: »

Who does this? Is it people from the rougher parts of the city? Very sad that it can happen at all but is it really a common occurrence?

There is a general problem with increased anti social behaviour and these type of people are looking for any excuse to cause trouble.

It happens. These type of incidents are not "any excuse" - They are homophobic and transphobic incidents targeting LGBTQ people

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/author-gavin-mccrea-victim-of-homophobic-attack-in-dublin-1.4170368?mode=amp

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/man-badly-beaten-in-suspected-homophobic-attack-by-dublin-youths-1.4053100?mode=amp

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/ringsend-garda-homophobic-abuse-arrest-19710396

https://gcn.ie/south-dublin-councillor-homophobic-voicemails/

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/dublin-homophobic-attack

https://lovindublin.com/amp/dublin/two-boys-brew-owners-open-up-homophobic-incident

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/bigots-viciously-beat-man-transphobic-15324611

https://www.98fm.com/podcasts/98fm-39-s-dublin-talks/transgender-man-opens-homophobic-attack-city-centre

Finty Lemon · 13-06-2021 10:35am

40% of the population in my townland are gay.
But they are all married.

Annasopra · 13-06-2021 11:08am

Finty Lemon wrote: »

40% of the population in my townland are gay.
But they are all married.

Ok. Dunno how that is relevant at all in the discussion.

Annasopra · 13-06-2021 11:19am

The list here might be helpful

https://ww1.daft.ie/blog/revealed-stoneybatter-is-irelands-largest-gay-neighbourhood/

JustAThought · 13-06-2021 11:22am

You can have spiteful nasty people wherever you move - regardless of their sexuality.
You can also have much bigger issues in terms of antisocial behaviour like feral youths hanging around night & day roaring & shouting and intimidating people, no-go areas that are infested with scobies and untouchable youth gangs, known criminal gang areas and all the issue that go with that - Drimnagh, Crumlin, Cabra, Tallaght, drug dealing & casual gang wars where they like to shoot at each others houses and intimidate the neighbours & turn the street into a ghetto Cherrywood, Ballymun, Blanchardstown ’west’, Tallaght, drug related break-ins where the windows on the ground and first floor balconies are all barricaded shut with bars because of crime, or proper issues with people who think nothing of casually wrecking your car or ****ting on your doorstep daily after they get drunk because that’s how they behave and no amount of court cases or social intervention is ever going to change them.

Do you like to be kept awake by people roaring & shouting as they go past your ground or first floor city centre appartment, or do you mind stepping out over junkies and human vomit and piss on your communal doorway in the city centre every weekend? You might consider it an anti gay thing but after a while you’ll learn that its an anti-society thing. I’ve lived all about & there are gay people & couples peopered all over the place and living normal fun social happy lives with ‘just’ the ordinary problems. Its the crime and anti social behaviour that will make your 200k or 300k purchase worthless regardless of your sexual preferences.

And you now have whole areas and estates that have become no-go areas for reasons we cannot talk about on boards. Again - crime - not sex crimes.

Sleeper12 · 13-06-2021 11:30am

Padre_Pio wrote:

Are there any gay unfriendly places in Dublin?

I agree. There are gay friendly and gay unfriendly people everywhere. I can't imagine one area being more friendly than others

Stihl waters · 13-06-2021 11:44am

Annasopra wrote: »

Ok. Dunno how that is relevant at all in the discussion.

What discussion, the op wants to segregate themselves away in one of the safest countries in the world from a threat that exists for everyone in society, namely, opportunistic scumbags who whale on anyone unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time

Annasopra · 13-06-2021 7:21pm

Stihl waters wrote: »

What discussion, the op wants to segregate themselves away in one of the safest countries in the world from a threat that exists for everyone in society, namely, opportunistic scumbags who whale on anyone unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time

Sorry no. You are wrong there. Homophobic attacks are not a threat that exist for everyone in society. People are deliberately targeted and attacked because of their sexuality or perceived sexuality. Straight/Cis people do not get deliberately targeted for such attacks.

Heebie · 14-06-2021 7:58am

Finty Lemon wrote:

40% of the population in my townland are gay. But they are all married.

Which townland is that? Sounds like a place worth investigating to me.

is_that_so · 14-06-2021 8:14am

Annasopra wrote: »

Sorry no. You are wrong there. Homophobic attacks are not a threat that exist for everyone in society. People are deliberately targeted and attacked because of their sexuality or perceived sexuality. Straight/Cis people do not get deliberately targeted for such attacks.

People get attacked because opportunist thugs want to do so and they are out to get easy targets. This is not an exclusively homophobic situation and many a random individual has been targeted.

Annasopra · 14-06-2021 9:18am

is_that_so wrote: »

People get attacked because opportunist thugs want to do so and they are out to get easy targets. This is not an exclusively homophobic situation and many a random individual has been targeted.

Of course attacks are not an exclusively homophobic situation. Noone said thet are. I But they do happen and straight/cis people who are very clearly straight/cis are not at risk of being attacked/targeted but LGBT people are.

LGBT people are attacked and targeted in a biased homophobic or transphobic manner because of their gender/sexuality and of course straight/cis people can be targets of this too if they are perceived a certain way.

Annasopra · 14-06-2021 9:20am

There seems to be a perception that homophobic/transphobic attacks dont happen in Dublin. Thats not true.

Annasopra wrote: »

It happens. These type of incidents are not "any excuse" - They are homophobic and transphobic incidents targeting LGBTQ people

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/author-gavin-mccrea-victim-of-homophobic-attack-in-dublin-1.4170368?mode=amp

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/man-badly-beaten-in-suspected-homophobic-attack-by-dublin-youths-1.4053100?mode=amp

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/ringsend-garda-homophobic-abuse-arrest-19710396

https://gcn.ie/south-dublin-councillor-homophobic-voicemails/

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/dublin-homophobic-attack

https://lovindublin.com/amp/dublin/two-boys-brew-owners-open-up-homophobic-incident

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/bigots-viciously-beat-man-transphobic-15324611

https://www.98fm.com/podcasts/98fm-39-s-dublin-talks/transgender-man-opens-homophobic-attack-city-centre

Mimon · 14-06-2021 9:28am

Annasopra wrote: »

It happens. These type of incidents are not "any excuse" - They are homophobic and transphobic incidents targeting LGBTQ people

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/author-gavin-mccrea-victim-of-homophobic-attack-in-dublin-1.4170368?mode=amp

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/man-badly-beaten-in-suspected-homophobic-attack-by-dublin-youths-1.4053100?mode=amp

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/ringsend-garda-homophobic-abuse-arrest-19710396

https://gcn.ie/south-dublin-councillor-homophobic-voicemails/

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/dublin-homophobic-attack

https://lovindublin.com/amp/dublin/two-boys-brew-owners-open-up-homophobic-incident

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/bigots-viciously-beat-man-transphobic-15324611

https://www.98fm.com/podcasts/98fm-39-s-dublin-talks/transgender-man-opens-homophobic-attack-city-centre

A lot of these attacks seem to be by uneducated yobs. Shows that we need to have more of an emphasis on law and order in this country. This sort of sh!t cannot be tolerated.

MadYaker · 14-06-2021 9:32am

I can't tell if the OP is a joke or not.

Annasopra · 14-06-2021 9:42am

Mimon wrote: »

A lot of these attacks seem to be by uneducated yobs. Shows that we need to have more of an emphasis on law and order in this country. This sort of sh!t cannot be tolerated.

Missing the point. The attacks target people because of their sexual orientation or gender identity and straight or cis people are much less likely to be targeted for attacks like this.

Ten of Swords · 14-06-2021 9:43am

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Dempo1 · 14-06-2021 9:47am

Very perplexing question to be honest with an almost impossible answer.

As perplexing as asking

Where is a Foreign National Friendly place to buy a Home?

Where is an Ethnic Minority friendly place to buy a home?

Where is Pet friendly place to buy a home?

I'm not aware of any location in Ireland (thankfully) that actively and openly discriminates against anyone from buying a home for whatever reason and if they did, it would not end well from a legal perspective.

Obviously no one can determine what a potential neighbour /community might be like, their views generally etc, Dare I say one could purchase a home beside the nicest people in the world and fall out over a fence or something as trivial as a garden Shrub.

So, I'm utterly perplexed at the Op"s question and why the need for it, I'm an extremely open minded person, straight, purchased my home 20 years ago in rural Ireland and couldn't tell anyone my neighbors First, Middle or Last name but that doesn't stop me being pleasant, acknowledging them when passing etc.

Annasopra · 14-06-2021 4:11pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

Very perplexing question to be honest with an almost impossible answer.

As perplexing as asking

Where is a Foreign National Friendly place to buy a Home?

Where is an Ethnic Minority friendly place to buy a home?

Where is Pet friendly place to buy a home?

I'm not aware of any location in Ireland (thankfully) that actively and openly discriminates against anyone from buying a home for whatever reason and if they did, it would not end well from a legal perspective.

Obviously no one can determine what a potential neighbour /community might be like, their views generally etc, Dare I say one could purchase a home beside the nicest people in the world and fall out over a fence or something as trivial as a garden Shrub.

So, I'm utterly perplexed at the Op"s question and why the need for it, I'm an extremely open minded person, straight, purchased my home 20 years ago in rural Ireland and couldn't tell anyone my neighbors First, Middle or Last name but that doesn't stop me being pleasant, acknowledging them when passing etc.

Of course there is nowhere in Ireland that actively and openly discriminates against anyone. I dont think anyone said there is. But that doesnt mean every community or town is the most friendliest open minded in the world either. I think its generally a fair question - are there places where a lot of LGBT+ people live that is safe - that is what the OP asked.

I dont mean this negatively or in any pejorative way but have you considered this from the point of view someone different to you. I mean as a straight person you probably wont have experienced the homophobia/transphobia that LGBT+ people have or felt the genuine fears of being targets of a hate crime. Homophobic attacks do happen in Dublin as I have illustrated above and even last night on Pantibar - its arguable that because of the growing far right in this country that its getting worse. I think trying to think this through in the shoes of someone else might help to address some of the perplexment

Heebie · 15-06-2021 11:04am

MadYaker wrote:

I can't tell if the OP is a joke or not.

I'm not joking.

barneystinson · 15-06-2021 12:49pm

Heebie wrote: »

I'm not joking.

Are you also serious about only gay people being your peers? And if so, what does that make everyone else?

Sleeper12 · 15-06-2021 12:51pm

barneystinson wrote: »

Are you also serious about only gay people being your peers? And if so, what does that make everyone else?

Straight?

barneystinson · 15-06-2021 1:02pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Straight?

Do you think gay and straight people aren't each other's peers?

Ten of Swords · 15-06-2021 1:07pm

barneystinson wrote: »

Do you think gay and straight people aren't each other's peers?

This is not the purpose of the thread, can we please get back on topic?

This is the final reminder to all posters

Thelonious Monk · 15-06-2021 1:14pm

Ninthlife wrote: »

Imagine the outrage if some one said they wanted to live in a 'straight ghetto'

I live in one and it sucks from a social point of view. As in it's just families and settled people that I don't have much in common with, and probably not the type of place the OP is looking for, so I can see where they're coming from even though I'm not gay, just a single guy with no kids living in the straight family ghetto.

I would imagine any of the more happening parts of Dublin is where you'd want to be OP as they'd be more likely to have more people like yourself - Phibsboro, city centre, Rathmines, etc. Problem is these places are way beyond normal people's pay grade!

spurious · 15-06-2021 1:15pm

I'm a gayer and lots of my gay friends live in Stoneybatter. They live all over the city of course but there would be a bit of a concentration in Stoneybatter. A good few in North Strand too. All over really.

honeyjo · 15-06-2021 2:03pm

I live in Tallaght. I'm not LGBTQIA but an ally. There's a Dublin South West LGBTQIA facebook group run by a local gay county counsellor. They organise events and outings.
It seems to be a pretty friendly area.

eviltwin · 15-06-2021 3:24pm

Can’t understand anyone wanting to live in a very bland neighbourhood with only a certain demographic. IMHO what makes a place great is a mix of people. I’m sure wherever you rent will be fine.

Thelonious Monk · 15-06-2021 3:48pm

eviltwin wrote: »

Can’t understand anyone wanting to live in a very bland neighbourhood with only a certain demographic. IMHO what makes a place great is a mix of people. I’m sure wherever you rent will be fine.

Most of Dublin is semi D land with the same bland demographic that's the thing

eviltwin · 15-06-2021 4:58pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Most of Dublin is semi D land with the same bland demographic that's the thing

I find those kinds of places soulless. Some people like that of course but I would find being surrounded by people just like me a bit dull.

Heebie · 15-06-2021 11:54pm

barneystinson wrote:

Do you think gay and straight people aren't each other's peers?

I'm many ways, yes. There are a lot of things **** growing up gay, and living an out lifestyle, that straight people cannot understand no matter how good an ally or friend they are.

Whom your peers are really depends on the context you're operating in at any given moment.
At work, the people on my team are my truest peers. The people on other teams in my department are truer peers than anyone in finance. They're technically peers, but not really. I wouldn't understand a damn thing about finance. They would understand very little, if any, of what my team does.

Heebie · 15-06-2021 11:58pm

eviltwin wrote:

Canâ€™t understand anyone wanting to live in a very bland neighbourhood with only a certain demographic. IMHO what makes a place great is a mix of people. Iâ€™m sure wherever you rent will be fine.

Living in an all-gay neighborhood would probably be anything but bland.
and... I'm not planning on renting, which is one of the reasons that I'm looking to be as well-informed as possible about where I want to buy

Heebie · 16-06-2021 12:01am

Heebie wrote:

There are a lot of things **** growing up gay

The system censored the word "about" â€½

gay friendly places to buy a home

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