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golden state killer arrested

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  • #52
    racso1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭racso1975


    So it's based solely upon nurture versus nature?


  • #53
    jiltloop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,205 ✭✭✭jiltloop


    racso1975 wrote: »
    So it's based solely upon nurture versus nature?

    No, what it means is that due to their nature they are more sensitive to negative nurturing or a lack of nurturing.


  • #54
    Chaos Tourist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 207 ✭✭Chaos Tourist


    jiltloop wrote: »
    I don't profess to be an expert but I'm certain that I'm more informed than you.

    About 1% of the population would be classed as psychopathic of which the vast majority would be completely harmless. What they do tend to lack significantly is empathy for animals or fellow human beings. This does not mean that they will tend to cruelty just that they are not likely to be phased or horrified by cruelty suffered by another creature.

    Where this becomes dangerous is when a person with the psychopathic gene suffers abuse or trauma in the early stages of their lives, an abusive parent or sibling for instance. This is where a psychopath can in some cases become the dangerous type that develop in to the type of serial killer or rapist that we're discussing.

    So whilst a psychopath who is abused in early life may be at a higher risk to themselves become an abuser/killer this does not mean that all of them will and of course it does not mean that all serial killers/abusers/rapists are psychopaths.

    Any links for that?

    Robert Hare, an expert in the field of criminal psychology refers to them as "intraspecies predators."

    Here's part of the abstract of a paper from Hoffman and Kiehal "THE CRIMINAL PSYCHOPATH: HISTORY, NEUROSCIENCE, TREATMENT, AND ECONOMICS"

    Psychopaths are twenty to twenty-five times more likely than non-psychopaths to be in prison, four to eight times more likely to violently recidivate compared to non-psychopaths, and are resistant to most forms of treatment.



    The best current estimate is that just less than 1% of all noninstitutionalized males age 18 and over are psychopaths.1 This translates to approximately 1,150,000 adult males who would meet the criteria for psychopathy in the United States today.2 And of the approximately 6,720,000 adult males that are in prison, jail, parole, or probation,3 16%, or 1,075,000, are psychopaths.4 Thus, approximately 93% of adult male psychopaths in the United States are in prison, jail, parole, or probation.


  • #55
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    jiltloop wrote: »
    No, what it means is that due to their nature they are more sensitive to negative nurturing or a lack of nurturing.

    Like nature via nurture, or lack thereof?


  • #56
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    SeaFields wrote: »
    I read a statistic before that 75% of the world's known serial killers are in the US. Crazy stuff.

    Russia seems to have alot. Apparently the area of California where this ine is from seems to breed a good few of them.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/taibbi-parkland-florida-school-shooting-gun-control-nra-w516850
    https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/1999/aug/08/life1.lifemagazine


  • #57
    Checkmate19
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Checkmate19


    Just reading how they got him. Used genealogy website's to trace him. Sites where people submit dna to track family tree. Then they got his dna from a discarded item. Amazing stuff. Fair play to those involved for getting closure for all the victims if indeed it is him. Watched the five part documentary on him and he is one of the most evil serial killers ever. I do wonder why he suddenly gave up. Most don't till they are caught. He doesn't look in the best of health so the evil animal will probably die in prison after a few years. But still great they got him and allows the family's to face this animal in court.


  • #58
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Ipso wrote: »
    Russia seems to have alot. Apparently the area of California where this ine is from seems to breed a good few of them.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/taibbi-parkland-florida-school-shooting-gun-control-nra-w516850
    https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/1999/aug/08/life1.lifemagazine

    Imagine while there is overlap, there are differences in the psychological profiles of mass shooters and serial killers. Surprised that rolling stone is still, cranking out content.


  • #59
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 7,009 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Checkmate19 wrote: »
    Just reading how they got him. Used genealogy website's to trace him. Sites where people submit dna to track family tree. Then they got his dna from a discarded item. Amazing stuff. Fair play to those involved for getting closure for all the victims if indeed it is him. Watched the five part documentary on him and he is one of the most evil serial killers ever. I do wonder why he suddenly gave up. Most don't till they are caught. He doesn't look in the best of health so the evil animal will probably die in prison after a few years. But still great they got him and allows the family's to face this animal in court.

    That's amazing all right, amazingly disturbing... It would seem that these DNA genealogy sites are pretty free with who they allow access to your genetic profile.
    When you see the uproar over facebook's retention of massive amounts of sensitive information, it makes me think you'd be crazy to provide a DNA sample to these companies, who knows who they're selling it to.

    You might for example start to wonder why your health insurance just doubled and never know your healthcare provider bought your genetic profile and decided you were now high risk.

    If the government wanted to have access to all your private communications and a DNA sample to create a national DNA database of citizens, people would hit the roof, but create exactly the same thing in the guise of entertainment and people seem more than happy to oblige.


  • #60
    optogirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,997 ✭✭✭optogirl


    conorhal wrote: »
    That's amazing all right, amazingly disturbing... It would seem that these DNA genealogy sites are pretty free with who they allow access to your genetic profile.
    When you see the uproar over facebook's retention of massive amounts of sensitive information, it makes me think you'd be crazy to provide a DNA sample to these companies, who knows who they're selling it to.

    You might for example start to wonder why your health insurance just doubled and never know your healthcare provider bought your genetic profile and decided you were now high risk.

    If the government wanted to have access to all your private communications and a DNA sample to create a national DNA database of citizens, people would hit the roof, but create exactly the same thing in the guise of entertainment and people seem more than happy to oblige.

    Yeah - I mean obviously it's great that they caught this guy but the whole genealogy test thing is a bit unsettling - if you use one of these box kits, is your DNA info public property?


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  • #61
    Stab*City
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Stab*City


    They used the DNA from the original crime scenes and trawled through those family tree sites until they found a similar match. Used that match and drilled down through that persons family tree. Found the suspect based on his age and general location around the time of certain murders.. So even if your cousin posts his DNA away to these sites they can still track things back to anyone in that family tree based on circumstances surrounding an event!


  • #62
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    conorhal wrote: »
    That's amazing all right, amazingly disturbing... It would seem that these DNA genealogy sites are pretty free with who they allow access to your genetic profile.
    When you see the uproar over facebook's retention of massive amounts of sensitive information, it makes me think you'd be crazy to provide a DNA sample to these companies, who knows who they're selling it to.

    You might for example start to wonder why your health insurance just doubled and never know your healthcare provider bought your genetic profile and decided you were now high risk.

    If the government wanted to have access to all your private communications and a DNA sample to create a national DNA database of citizens, people would hit the roof, but create exactly the same thing in the guise of entertainment and people seem more than happy to oblige.

    These sites just show you as matching with people you are related to, and you show up to other people as matching to them and your profile is not available to the public.
    What may have happened is that they set up an account based on the killers DNA and based on who he was related to they were able to triangulate back to him (maybe he was a suspect and this was a way of confirming).
    People who have tested did not have to have their DNA profile trawled through and it’s really no diierent than someone looking for a relative.
    I have tested with two conpanies and uploaded my DNA to two other additional sites and to be honest, this doesn’t bother me.


  • #63
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Ipso wrote: »
    These sites just show you as matching with people you are related to, and you show up to other people as matching to them and your profile is not available to the public.
    What may have happened is that they set up an account based on the killers DNA and based on who he was related to they were able to triangulate back to him (maybe he was a suspect and this was a way of confirming).
    People who have tested did not have to have their DNA profile trawled through and it’s really no diierent than someone looking for a relative.
    I have tested with two conpanies and uploaded my DNA to two other additional sites and to be honest, this doesn’t bother me.

    They couldn't have set up an account in the normal way without the site being aware because you need a saliva sample and also it's illegal to submit a person's DNA sample to the site without their permission. If they did that then there is a chance that he may get off in court.

    Seems like they were able to gain access to the DNA profiles of whatever site it was and run a comparison in the same way they would their own database. I mean, it's good that he has been caught but it's pretty shady.

    Here is another case where law enforcement did a similar thing. And ended up arresting and accusing the wrong guy of murder. Luckily in this case they were able to get a discarded sample from deAngelo before they apprehended him so they were sure it was him

    http://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/news/article_1b3a3f96-d574-59e0-9c6a-c3c7c0d2f166.html


  • #64
    robwen
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    Announcing his arrest on Wednesday, authorities said Mr DeAngelo's name had never surfaced as a suspect prior to last week, when a DNA match was made.

    Officials initially did not disclose how their investigation led to Mr DeAngelo, whose DNA had never previously been collected.

    But yesterday, Steve Grippi, chief deputy district attorney for Sacramento County, said detectives narrowed their search by using genetic information available through commercial genealogy websites furnishing personal family histories to consumers who send DNA samples in for analysis.

    Confirming details first reported by the Sacramento Bee newspaper, Mr Grippi said investigators compared DNA samples left by the perpetrator at a crime scene to genetic profiles on the ancestry sites, looking for similarities.

    He did not address whether the websites volunteered the information or were subject to a search warrant or subpoena.

    Detectives followed the family trees of close matches, seeking blood relatives who fit a rough profile of the killer.

    The process produced a lead a week ago, pointing to Mr DeAngelo based on his age and whereabouts at the time of the attacks, Mr Grippi said.

    Investigators found Mr DeAngelo, placed him under surveillance and obtained his DNA from a discarded object, finding a match to a crime scene sample. A second, more decisive sample was collected from him days later and came back positive on Monday.

    Authorities have not disclosed the relative whose DNA helped solve the case.

    Mr DeAngelo is known to have at least two adult children.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/us/2018/0427/958588-golden-state-killer-us/


  • #65
    robwen
    Registered Users Posts: 2,373 ✭✭✭robwen


    https://www.joe.ie/amp/movies-tv/true-crime-fans-will-definitely-watching-gripping-documentary-golden-state-killer-624372

    Sky Living Friday 9pm, 5 part Golden State Killer: Unmasked documentary starts with a double episode


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