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Epsom Oaks/Derby Meeting

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  • #52
    PatrickDoherty
    Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭PatrickDoherty


    The Derby is ran on a greyhound track the likes of that winner, Beggy's winner a few years ago and Serpentine last year prove what a bad race it is, rarely won by champions in recent years its who gets the best ride on the day and handles the bumps.


  • #53
    Rabbit Redux
    Registered Users Posts: 311 ✭✭Rabbit Redux


    Another substandard Derby winner.


  • #54
    VelaSupernova
    Registered Users Posts: 38 ✭VelaSupernova


    Uninspiring Derby, winner was rated less than Oh This Is Us who won the Group 3 earlier in the day. Falsely ran and forgettable. A non event.


  • #55
    tryfix
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    Rabbit Redux wrote: »
    Another substandard Derby winner.


    I don't think so. The time is very good, McSwiney is a fairly decent yardstick and he couldn't live with the winner in the last furlong.

    I know it doesn't feel right, but none of the Classics this year feel right based on previous form. Maybe the Covid disruption has had an effect on the reliability of form.


  • #56
    Rabbit Redux
    Registered Users Posts: 311 ✭✭Rabbit Redux


    tryfix wrote: »
    I don't think so. The time is very good, McSwiney is a fairly decent yardstick and he couldn't live with the winner in the last furlong.

    I know it doesn't feel right, but none of the Classics this year feel right based on previous form. Maybe the Covid disruption has had an effect on the reliability of form.

    The winner beaten in two previous trials, Appleby thinking he was more of a Leger horse, and a Hannon maiden finishing second. Good luck if you think that form will hold up as the season unfolds.


  • #57
    tryfix
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    Rabbit Redux wrote: »
    The winner beaten in two previous trials, Appleby thinking he was more of a Leger horse, and a Hannon maiden finishing second. Good luck if you think that form will hold up as the season unfolds.

    In fairness substandard has become the norm for Epsom Derby winners, the ones that won it and anything else of note are few and far between. Also big priced placed horses in the Derby have been par for the course even as far back as when Epsom Derby winners were gods of the turf.


  • #58
    Peintre Celebre
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    PatrickDoherty wrote: »
    Didnt know O Brien priced up the market for the derby.

    I wasn't sincere with my comment Pat


  • #59
    Peintre Celebre
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    Couldn't understand the punt on Adayer before the race and I still can't see where it has gotten that form today. Readily put in its place last time by Third Realm. On all known form 16/1 was a woeful price


  • #60
    Francie Barrett
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    tryfix wrote: »
    I don't think so. The time is very good, McSwiney is a fairly decent yardstick and he couldn't live with the winner in the last furlong.
    As you say, nothing wrong with the winning performance going by the time and the way it finished. What surprised me was how well it stayed though. Pedigree screamed one miler, yet it was the one that stayed strongest in the finish. I think it was a bit of a freak result and it wouldn't surprise me if this goes the way of a Masar and never wins again.


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  • #61
    Dr. Bre
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    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    As you say, nothing wrong with the winning performance going by the time and the way it finished. What surprised me was how well it stayed though. Pedigree screamed one miler, yet it was the one that stayed strongest in the finish. I think it was a bit of a freak result and it wouldn't surprise me if this goes the way of a Masar and never wins again.

    Same as serpentine. Has been brutal since winning last years derby


  • #62
    tryfix
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    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    As you say, nothing wrong with the winning performance going by the time and the way it finished. What surprised me was how well it stayed though. Pedigree screamed one miler, yet it was the one that stayed strongest in the finish. I think it was a bit of a freak result and it wouldn't surprise me if this goes the way of a Masar and never wins again.


    Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Most of us looked at Adayar and saw a Frankel colt who was thereabouts at 10f in group 3 company and given the lilly-livered nature of your average Frankel colt we thought no more about him.

    He's by a miler out of a mare whose sire was a miler, but he has a dosage index of 0.58 which indicates that he should get the Ascot Gold Cup trip.

    Frankel DI 1.00 was brilliant at a mile but he was bred to be a Derby horse and he has sired a large amount of stayers already. On Adayar's dam side every one of them has a very low dosage index number, his 3rd dam Anna Of Saxony won the 16 1/2f Park Hill Stakes at Doncaster which is no surprise given that she was an Ela Mana Mou mare and nothing screams stamina more than Ela Man Mou in a pedigree. The 3rd placed Frankel colt Hurricane Lane also has stayers pedigree with a 0.52 dosage index and a dam who won over 2 miles. The second placed Mojo Star is a freak who's defying his pedigree.

    I doubt if either Adayar or Hurricane Lane will be suited by a return to 10f. They should be opposable if they go for the likes of the Eclipse or Juddmonte.


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