Epsom Oaks/Derby Meeting

Looking forward to it. I'm very disappointed that Love is out of the Coronation Cup. Couldn't be having the terrible twins of Japan and Mogul, they could do anything or absolutely nothing.

Hope Broome runs in the Coronation to keep everything honest. I will put a small bet on Serpentine if he runs, horses for courses

I've backed MacSwiney for the Derby, I fancied him since his Racing post win and he's improved since. In a field full of maybe horses he's the proven horse.

Bolshoi Ballet is a smashing group winner, this is a big step up and he's very short in the betting. A more on song High Definition could easily swallow all but the best of horses in the last furlong ( a hold up Epsom Derby ride that Ryan Moore has been dreaming of for years and will probably miss out on ).

There are some very promising English horses in the Derby but it's too hard to settle on one. Mohaafeth looks stunning but he's by Frankel and that's off-putting. The other two Frankel horses look as if Epsom isn't the be all and end all for them. The Sea The Stars colt Third Realm is hard to pass over, his breeding and training outfit are top class.

Haven't digested the Oaks properly yet, it looks to be a poor renewal. Santa Barbara is running for the bookies and best avoided although she will most likely finish in the first 3. I thought Snowfall looked to have matured a lot in her last run and she makes most appeal to me.

anyone ever travel over for the Epsom Derby? Was thinking of going next year.
Loads of flights to heathrow/gatwick.
Interested to hear anyone's opinion who have been there regarding tickets etc..
Thanks

Where's the "Last 420 year trend on Stall bias" post that we usually get at this time of year in the Derby thread?

Surprising for O'Brien alright. Seemingly first time since 2004 (!!) that he's only had the one runner.

You'd wonder who took the decision. Someone must have said. Look, HDef needs another couple of weeks and the other 3 are boats.........

They've a horse that can make the running. Don't see a problem, they obviously think he can do anything.

At the prices I like Saffron Beach in the Oaks. Santa Barbara could easily be the best horse in the field but she's yet to prove it and didn't look to handle the dip in Newmarket all that well so must be doubts about how she handles Epsom. Regardless, Saffron Beaches Guineas second is probably the best form on offer so 10/1 looks more than fair and thats where my hard earned will go.

Ground now Good to Soft. :mad:

zpehtsfd wrote: »

Ground now Good to Soft. :mad:

Who should that suit?

Hmmmm, Santa Barbara very high head carriage in her one win. Was it the same in the 1,000 G?

Sherbet Lemon is a funny one how she ended up going to Lemon Drop Kid. She cost a million dollars when bought by Coolmore to race she's a full sister to Mastercraftsman. Her three half siblings are all Galileo and ran for Aidan but I'm assuming she was sold when sent to an American stallion and sold there yet still ends up at Epsom which her Galileo siblings couldn't achieve

Itziger wrote: »

Who should that suit?

Hmmmm, Santa Barbara very high head carriage in her one win. Was it the same in the 1,000 G?

Going for Zeyaadah. Form on soft/heavy.

Such a lottery when ground is like this. Real shame.

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Hard to envisage an Oaks winner by Tamayuz

I think the 2nd and 3rd in the betting are shorter than they should be because they're the fancied English horses. The Kingman filly Save A Forest is my idea of a horse that's underestimated.

Wow. Didnt see that coming.

Wow.

UrbanFret wrote: »

Once again the punters hoodwinked by O'Brien.
Moore ? Could he get it any more wrong.
No way they didn't know that was a superior horse than Santa Barbara.

11/2 not exactly hoodwinked ffs

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

11/2 not exactly hoodwinked ffs

All the same there's a question to be asked if O'Brien's hyping of the likes of Santa Barbara and many others is damaging to the less experienced punters who have no real understanding of the hype factory that is Aidan O'Brien.

tryfix wrote: »

All the same there's a question to be asked if O'Brien's hyping of the likes of Santa Barbara and many others is damaging to the less experienced punters who have no real understanding of the hype factory that is Aidan O'Brien.

Well, yeah, but should ya be throwing your money around if you don't know Aidan's 'best we've ever seen' spiel by now?

He must be wrong more often that he's right with that stuff.

Maybe Santa B prefers running in the morning

How unusual is it for a Oaks or Derby to finish on the stand side, I cannot remember any.

jamule wrote: »

How unusual is it for a Oaks or Derby to finish on the stand side, I cannot remember any.

Together Forever with Donnacha on won that rail too if the memory is right?

Would be great to see Jim win another Derby today

byronbay2 wrote: »

I believe they move the running rail in by about 7 or 8 yards after Oaks Day so that they have fresh ground to race on for Derby Day. This makes the far rail much further away and unfeasible as a tactic to win The Derby, even if the ground is better over there.

Certainly, it has absolutely nothing to do with tradition. If a trainer/jockey thought it would improve their chances of winning, they would not hesitate to cross to the stands side in The Derby!

No, tradition dictates they don't go that side in the derby.

**** me Moore is poison on anything he rides in a classic
Woeful Derby yet again.