Gardai target organised begging in Dublin

DaintyDavy · 16-11-2018 1:31am #1

I have to say its about time the Gardai done something about this. Beggars getting dropped off and colleted in Audi A5s and Range Rovers. And the gullible Irish handing over money to Roma crime gangs.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/gardaí-arrest-46-people-over-organised-begging-in-dublin-1.3696911?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR3bkd95_-lwbIM_it2B0Vr1l-2jSMQ5fUVsDVQWMXxm5fUyevAD0rkrKlI

Good job Gardai.

DaintyDavy · 16-11-2018 1:33am

Apparently its organised racism.

https://twitter.com/KittyHollandIT/status/1062488654629797888?s=19

AllForIt · 16-11-2018 3:03am

DaintyDavy wrote: »

Apparently its organised racism.

https://twitter.com/KittyHollandIT/status/1062488654629797888?s=19

I'm afraid this is the way it's going or has gone rather. The SJW's now consider every social demographic as a race including the criminal demographics and we will rue the day we didn't stop this nonsense when it started. I personally find this kind of stuff infuriating for it's nastyness towards good ppl, it's stupidity, it's social destructiveness in that the attitude serves to protect undesirables whether this is intention or not, and most of all the reason one is motivated to make such remarks which clearly is virtue signalling. Kitty Holland is off a class of ppl that I utterly despise as much I could despise any other class of criminal.

hatrickpatrick · 16-11-2018 3:16am

AllForIt wrote: »

The SJW's now consider every social demographic as a race

Ah here, that's just a scurrilous accusation TBF. I mean, they don't even consider white people "people", let alone a race. :pac:

Irish Guitarist · 16-11-2018 3:16am

I stupidly gave money to a Romanian gypsy*years ago. He was holding up a piece of paper with "I need €10" written on it. He had a child aged about two with him and I felt sorry for him. I took all the change out my pocket, which must have been about €3 or €4, and handed it to him.

He looked at the change with a look of disgust as if I'd put a pile of shit in his hand and said "that's not enough". I shook my head and walked away. What I really should have done was grabbed the money back out of the fuckers hand.

This was many years ago when these people were a new thing here. I wouldn't give any of them the steam off my piss now.
*Deliberately posting that to see how many people will rush to be the first to point out the difference between Roma and Romanians.

16-11-2018 3:25am

And not before time. Seen a minivan halt outside Heuston, ringleader ordering complicit members in four different directions. One of whom made a beeline towards me with the hand outstretched: "Good morning, very much". Is it too much trouble to board them on the next flight off the island?

prinzeugen · 16-11-2018 3:35am

I remember the one that used to hang around the Abbey St entrance to Easons with the plastic doll wrapped up in a blanket.

She was at it for years.

hatrickpatrick · 16-11-2018 4:32am

I gave a fiver or tenner to the young and incredibly aggressive Roma woman who used to have around near Dun Laoghaire shopping centre selling the Issues magazine - I was 7 or 8 years old and just felt sorry for her, and the whole pocket money thing was very new to me. She proceeded to spend the next five years constantly stalking me whenever she saw me in the town, and culminating in two horrendous incidents (keep in mind, myself and my friends were at most thirteen, probably more like eleven or twelve) - one weekend, my parents gave me their banklink so that I could take money out and bring some friends to the cinema in Dun Laoghaire. Getting to use a banklink was fairly exciting at that age, was the first time I'd ever used one (my parents regularly introduced me to things like this younger than one can use them independently) and we headed up to the ATM outside AIB in Dun Laoghaire to get cash for cinema tickets and popcorn.

The same scumbag stalker happened to be sitting beside the ATM, she started calling out "you know me, you know me" as usual, and I determinedly ignored her and proceeded to withdraw €50 (or £50 it might have been back then) as per my parents instructions on how to use the machine. When we turned to leave, she walked over and literally snatched the €50 out of my hand before I even had time to put it in my pocket, then snidely said "thank you" and wandered off. Luckily for me my parents were very sympathetic and drove us to the cinema in person. My dad did hop in the car and cruise around trying to find her for the next half an hour after dropping us off - no such luck.

A couple of weeks later, my parents decided to give me another crack at the ATM thing (after delivering a detailed crash course on being streetwise and how to transfer notes directly from machine to pocket before moving away from it). Same b!tch was there again, she came over to us after seeing me withdraw the money and started asking for it. When we ignored her, she literally started following us through town, and suddenly there were two of her fellow local beggars on our tail as well - again, this doesn't sound scary until you remember that we were literally preteens at the time. We ended up taking refuge in the O2 shop on the main street, while through the window we could literally see this woman and her crew actually circling the shop like vultures, pacing back and forth around that corner and glancing in the windows, waiting for us to leave. Ended up having to call the parents for help, and the three of them scarpered quickly enough when we left the shop to get immediately into the parents' car waiting outside.

This is what's meant by "aggressive begging". It's not just nagging people or guilt-bombing them, it often involves straight up intimidation of people who for one reason or another aren't in a position to stand up for themselves, and in my case, it literally involved all-out stalking and then what I can only describe as besiegement. Anyone who thinks that this is just the well off having a go at those in need is missing the point of what the "aggressive" in "aggressive begging" actually means - it's not just about people heckling you in the street, it's about out-and-out physical intimidation and sometimes theft.

Good riddance to the lot of them. Fair play to the Gardaí. Let's hope the courts don't f*ck this up by letting them all go as usual.

JupiterKid · 16-11-2018 5:43am

All the Roma should be rounded up by the Gardai and deported. They bring absolutely no benefit or contribution to any country they drift into and seem to involved in one scam or another. Very often they are involved in theiving also.

Delighted to see the Gardai cracking down on them - long overdue but better late than never.

anotherfinemess · 16-11-2018 5:52am

I don't give money to people begging. I give them food instead.

kneemos · 16-11-2018 7:11am

anotherfinemess wrote: »

I don't give money to people begging. I give them food instead.

What the hell are they going to do with food!

King of Kings · 16-11-2018 7:18am

DaintyDavy wrote: »

Apparently its organised racism.

https://twitter.com/KittyHollandIT/status/1062488654629797888?s=19

i always heard her name knocking about but never knew much about her.
of late ive seen a few tweets of hers that suggest she has a few screws loose.

JustAYoungLad · 16-11-2018 7:33am

The truth is detaining does nothing. Catch and release wont even put them on a register. A highly motivated group of lads could organize and police them i bet.

lisasimpson · 16-11-2018 7:42am

They could do the same in cork. Turning into a massive problem around patrick st the last 18 months

RobbingBandit · 16-11-2018 7:51am

We will just end up doing what the Spanish did pay them a bucket load of dole money to move on only to find them moving on up to the east side as they finally got a piece of the pie.

Wheeliebin30 · 16-11-2018 8:40am

So when we hear from these charities every day about people begging on the street and blaming the government as usual most of it was lies???

Well I’m shocked.

Not.

razorblunt · 16-11-2018 8:53am

There was a Roma lad in Cork years ago known for being a bit of a scumbag and very aggressive in begging specifically to older people. I worked in a shop at the time and amongst us we'd always try and keep an eye out for what he was doing.
One day myself and another guy were bringing something to a customer's car and we saw this guy coming towards us, there was a teenage girl (probably drug addict) just doing the "normal" begging with the cup in front. The young fella bends down like he's going to give her cash and slaps her open palmed across the face, the smack was unreal.

I remember thinking "fcuk I can't do anything here" when the fella who's car we were going to threw a punch at him that we never saw coming, it was one of those perfect punches, the lad dropped like a sack, spark out. Never thought the guy had it in him, especially as he was with his 2 young kids. Perfect karma.

Graces7 · 16-11-2018 9:00am

kneemos wrote: »

What the hell are they going to do with food!

Er, eat it?

I have done that when one in Donegal Town begged me to buy her lunch.
She was delighted/

The same one used ti come to my market stall with her baby,crying, "no milk... no Pampers.." I sent her off to V de Paul

She also saw I had a large flagon of milk in my car and chased me down the road.... I took refuge in the bank!

I have no money to give; but I would never see anyone go hungry.

PlaneSpeeking · 16-11-2018 10:09am

I hope most people are aware that most will refuse to accept food as they want cash and those that take food will sell it to the rare genuine cases who are hungry so they can get cash ?

When you've seen a gang of scruffs get out a Merc by the Millennium bridge and scatter with their signs, you tend to patch up the bleeding heart.

whisky_galore · 16-11-2018 10:09am

Public information campaign is what's needed urging people not to give money to these sorts. Cut off the money at its source.
People are soft touches here.

topper75 · 16-11-2018 10:27am

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I stupidly gave money to a Romanian gypsy*years ago. He was holding up a piece of paper with "I need €10" written on it. He had a child aged about two with him and I felt sorry for him. I took all the change out my pocket, which must have been about €3 or €4, and handed it to him.

He looked at the change with a look of disgust as if I'd put a pile of shit in his hand and said "that's not enough". I shook my head and walked away. What I really should have done was grabbed the money back out of the fuckers hand.

This was many years ago when these people were a new thing here. I wouldn't give any of them the steam off my piss now.
*Deliberately posting that to see how many people will rush to be the first to point out the difference between Roma and Romanians.

Only says good things about you.

You are generous so you gave.
You are smart so you learned.

mcmoustache · 16-11-2018 11:41am

Titan Glow wrote: »

The 'Roma' can **** off back to India where they belong.

I thanked this not for the sentiment expressed but for being ethnically accurate. Almost every thread on the Roma has some idiot confusing them with Romanians.

whisky_galore wrote: »

Public information campaign is what's needed urging people not to give money to these sorts. Cut off the money at its source.
People are soft touches here.

I completely agree with this. I have never given anything to the Roma. If everyone else did this, they'd be gone from this country quickly. A public information is the only way that we could do this on a large scale.

I'm honestly amazed that there are still people in this country who think that the street Roma are charity cases and not organised criminal gang members.

Boom_Bap · 16-11-2018 11:56am

Not sure if it's still the same now, but a few years ago there were a couple of houses on the North Circular Rd where the organised beggars would surface from, they would all scamper out of the houses in the morning at the same time with their instructions of where to target.

During the day they would have the organisers visit them at certain locations to get the take and send them on to a new location if that one isn't lucrative enough.
If there was someone already begging at the new location that wasn't in their crew, the others would be 'moved on'.

This would go on til the evening where they returned back to the NCR.

I remember seeing one lad one day that had a brand new iPhone and runners that retailed at about €160

seamus · 16-11-2018 12:04pm

It is worth remembering that for the most part the beggars on the street aren't personally coining it in. You've got some pimp in the background who's directing their actions and enforcing their authority with violence and other threats.

That doesn't mean you should give them money - the exact opposite - but have a little consideration for their background and the sh1tty hand they've been dealt. They feel like they have no other option; they probably have no identification papers at all, and believe they have no other way of making money except to deal with their pimp.

Food is a good one. Especially if they have a child with them. The pimp has no use for food, and giving them food is a tiny ray of personal freedom in an otherwise brutal existence.

EdgeCase · 16-11-2018 12:07pm

Maybe if you could easily buy hostel vouchers and food and grocery vouchers, then you could give non-cash donations to people who are genuinely in bad circumstances.

It would remove the cash risk but keep the ability to be bailed out by the kindness of strangers.

When I'm asked if I have money for a hostel by someone on the street I would really rather be able to just give them a voucher for or towards a hostel.

Nunu · 16-11-2018 12:14pm

The walk down to Lansdowne from Baggot street last night and all other match nights. Strategically placed all the way along and creaming it in. Mostly slightly inebriated men emptying their pockets for them. They’re clever bastards.

Spanish Eyes · 16-11-2018 12:17pm

Commissioner Drew Harris is certainly getting AGS out from their desk bound positions lately. A breath of fresh air and a good start. Targeting organised begging, targeting Traveller gangs with the CAB, telling AGS that they are there to serve the people, not the organisation etc.

I never give money to anyone begging on the streets. We are a very generous nation and no one will go hungry. The welfare and other supports are there whether homeless or not. I donate to Capuchin Day Centre though.

inforfun · 16-11-2018 12:23pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFAZ3TL2NKM

Remember that every € you hand over to those bastards built this^

Trigger Happy · 16-11-2018 12:24pm

Pesky Romans. What next- riding their chariots down Grafton street?

ohnonotgmail · 16-11-2018 12:26pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Pesky Romans. What next- riding their chariots down Grafton street?

what have they ever done for us?

Pyr0 · 16-11-2018 12:30pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I gave a fiver or tenner to the young and incredibly aggressive Roma woman...

No one is going to care, you're not a minority.

Stop being racist :mad:

neris · 16-11-2018 12:34pm

Typical Irish Time snowflake rubbish.

DaintyDavy wrote: »

Apparently its organised racism.

https://twitter.com/KittyHollandIT/status/1062488654629797888?s=19

neris · 16-11-2018 12:35pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what have they ever done for us?

robbed us, lived on a rounabout on the M50 and robbed us even more

ohnonotgmail · 16-11-2018 12:36pm

neris wrote: »

robbed us, lived on a rounabout on the M50 and robbed us even more

the concept of humour is clearly alien to you.

Assetbacked · 16-11-2018 12:40pm

DaintyDavy wrote: »

Apparently its organised racism.

https://twitter.com/KittyHollandIT/status/1062488654629797888?s=19

What a complete tool. Quite simply, her contribution to society is on par with the aggressive beggars. Useless, idiotic woman. Twitter is a cancer when mixed in with and utilised by the media.

Spanish Eyes · 16-11-2018 12:56pm

inforfun wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFAZ3TL2NKM

Remember that every € you hand over to those bastards built this^

The Rathkeale of Eastern Europe.

ohnonotgmail · 16-11-2018 12:58pm

inforfun wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFAZ3TL2NKM

Remember that every € you hand over to those bastards built this^

you have to admit they do have taste and style.

Hoboo · 16-11-2018 1:01pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what have they ever done for us?

Ok Ill bite. The aquaduct.........:D

mcmoustache · 16-11-2018 1:01pm

DaintyDavy wrote: »

Apparently its organised racism.

https://twitter.com/KittyHollandIT/status/1062488654629797888?s=19

I thought this was just some eejit on twitter but it's a writer with a platform via the Irish Times?

At least the responses to that stupid tweet were sane and sensible.

AGC · 16-11-2018 1:08pm

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Not sure if it's still the same now, but a few years ago there were a couple of houses on the North Circular Rd where the organised beggars would surface from, they would all scamper out of the houses in the morning at the same time with their instructions of where to target.

Just beyond the Mater, big white house a little bit back from the road before the junction where the Big Tree is/was.

Fire Brigade have been in on a few occasions I believe, the numbers living in it are apparently off the charts.

inforfun · 16-11-2018 1:11pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you have to admit they do have taste and style.

I think your message fell victim of the swear filter here. There are 2 words missing, 1 before "taste" and 1 before "style"

AGC · 16-11-2018 1:11pm

prinzeugen wrote: »

I remember the one that used to hang around the Abbey St entrance to Easons with the plastic doll wrapped up in a blanket.

She was at it for years.

First time I came across something like this was around the Coliseum a good few years ago. Begging, bent over like they were 90 and the 'stump' of a leg out as if they couldn't walk then seeing them changing in the trees, full of life and not a bother on them.

A 16 year old with a blanket, a bent knee and a neck like a jockey's bo**ox can work miracles.

ohnonotgmail · 16-11-2018 1:12pm

inforfun wrote: »

I think your message fell victim of the swear filter here. There are 2 words missing, 1 before "taste" and 1 before "style"

corks finest · 16-11-2018 1:17pm

JupiterKid wrote: »

All the Roma should be rounded up by the Gardai and deported. They bring absolutely no benefit or contribution to any country they drift into and seem to involved in one scam or another. Very often they are involved in theiving also.

Delighted to see the Gardai cracking down on them - long overdue but better late than never.

Yes fcuk them out,they don't give anything, repeat anything to our country,,,,and I'm not saying this lightly,my son's mother is Romanian,not Roma,huge difference,I worked on / off in Romanian orphanages / the/ aids clinics for 12 yrs plus,not biased where Romanian ppl are concerned,but these parasites need to be deported,same scamming all over Europe ,needs to be stopped,, fellow Irish ppl FFS wake up,don't donate towards criminality,I've seen first hand the mansion's the bosses live in RO,also seen the slums ,done in city dumps where the ordinary Roma live

Graces7 · 16-11-2018 1:34pm

seamus wrote: »

It is worth remembering that for the most part the beggars on the street aren't personally coining it in. You've got some pimp in the background who's directing their actions and enforcing their authority with violence and other threats.

That doesn't mean you should give them money - the exact opposite - but have a little consideration for their background and the sh1tty hand they've been dealt. They feel like they have no other option; they probably have no identification papers at all, and believe they have no other way of making money except to deal with their pimp.

Food is a good one. Especially if they have a child with them. The pimp has no use for food, and giving them food is a tiny ray of personal freedom in an otherwise brutal existence.

Looking back, the ones I encountered in Donegal were all women with children. The men exploited the kids; one wet cold day in one town a wee girl in a cotton dress and barefoot was being made to dance by her father ...

suicide_circus · 16-11-2018 1:36pm

do you know where they don't do this? Romania. the cops there hockey them out of it if they pull this sheite.

Boom_Bap · 16-11-2018 1:38pm

AGC wrote: »

Just beyond the Mater, big white house a little bit back from the road before the junction where the Big Tree is/was.

Fire Brigade have been in on a few occasions I believe, the numbers living in it are apparently off the charts.

I believe they were moved on from NCR, haven't checked it out lately, but the houses were boarded up for a while.

suicide_circus · 16-11-2018 1:38pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Looking back, the ones I encountered in Donegal were all women with children. The men exploited the kids; one wet cold day in one town a wee girl in a cotton dress and barefoot was being made to dance by her father ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOSZwEwl_1Q

riffmongous · 16-11-2018 1:39pm

Seems like a lot of them live quite a brutal existence, far worse than is necessary in modern Europe, while the family gang heads live in luxury. Arrest the begging gangs sure but you need the other countries to do a CAB on the wealth holders too

suicide_circus · 16-11-2018 1:42pm

riffmongous wrote: »

Seems like a lot of them live quite a brutal existence, far worse than is necessary in modern Europe, while the family gang heads live in luxury. Arrest the begging gangs sure but you need the other countries to do a CAB on the wealth holders too

Google: Hunedoara or Buzescu gypsy houses - two towns in Romanaia where the Roma kingpins like to build their mansions. This is where the money you give to these people goes.

riffmongous · 16-11-2018 1:47pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Google: Hunedoara or Buzescu gypsy houses - two towns in Romanaia where the Roma kingpins like to build their mansions. This is where the money you give to these people goes.

Yeah I know, that's what you need a CAB for

Gardai target organised begging in Dublin

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