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  • #52
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I'll play my teeny tiny violin for them.

    Great, we're clear on what kind of person you are.

    It really shouldn't be that much of a radical idea to help your fellow man. Especially from those harping on about "looking after our own first".


  • #53
    cfuserkildare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭cfuserkildare


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Ireland made a commitment about 3 or 4 years ago to take in 4000 refugees.
    Hardly a large number.

    And yet, in that 4 year period Ireland has taken in over 40 thousand refugees!!


  • #54
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Graces7 wrote:
    and thousands of Irish living off welfare in the UK, USA and Canada.


    I have to call bs on that one tbh.


  • #55
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    Pretty sure everyone criticizes direct provision, whether they are pro or anti immigration.

    Some of us believe its an inhumane way of dealing with refugees/immigration and others believe those in direct provision should just be deported.

    Inhumane ? Fed, watered, clothed, pocket money, all of our taxes ? Try getting that from somewhere else.


  • #56
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Inhumane ? Fed, watered, clothed, pocket money, all of our taxes ? Try getting that from somewhere else.

    Don’t forget all of the free legal aid you could ever want for appeal after appeal after appeal.


  • #57
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Inhumane ? Fed, watered, clothed, pocket money, all of our taxes ? Try getting that from somewhere else.

    Basic human rights you mean? Ya know, the kind prisoners get too. Shock horror :eek:


  • #58
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Don’t forget all of the free legal aid you could ever want for appeal after appeal after appeal.

    True story!


  • #59
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    ai kopsht është shumë i vogël për një trampoline


  • #60
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    Basic human rights you mean? Ya know, the kind prisoners get too. Shock horror :eek:

    No one asked them to come here, in fact they're breaking the law by being here.

    We owe them zilch.


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  • #61
    Graniteville
    Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Graniteville


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Proof please. Thank you

    Margaret Cash


  • #62
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    ai kopsht është shumë i vogël për një trampoline

    Something no Albanian would ever say.


  • #63
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    No one asked them to come here, in fact they're breaking the law by being here.

    We owe them zilch.

    Guess you should vote for politicians who want to put an end to asylum seekers and get us out of the EU in that case.

    See if that solves the countries problems.


  • #64
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    cfuserkildare wrote: »
    And yet, in that 4 year period Ireland has taken in over 40 thousand refugees!!

    What?
    Where are you getting those figures from


  • #65
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Inhumane ? Fed, watered, clothed, pocket money, all of our taxes ? Try getting that from somewhere else.

    In fairness, i'd be fairly to the right on immigration everything, but the direct provision system embarrasses me as an Irish man. Ive seen kids in them for years.

    We need a faster asylum processing/determination process. either let them stay or send them back. These endless appeals are a farce.


  • #66
    Graniteville
    Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Graniteville


    cfuserkildare wrote: »
    And yet, in that 4 year period Ireland has taken in over 40 thousand refugees!!

    you have your figures rather incorrect


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  • #67
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Something no Albanian would ever say.

    Cant bate google translate!


  • #68
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    In fairness, i'd be fairly to the right on immigration everything, but the direct provision system embarrasses me as an Irish man. Ive seen kids in them for years.

    We need a faster asylum processing/determination process. either let them stay or send them back. These endless appeals are a farce.

    Agree completely with that but the minute we try to send anyone back the bloody campaigns start. We need to stop people at airports, ferry ports etc.


  • #69
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Cant bate google translate!

    I work with Albanians


  • #70
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Graniteville wrote: »
    you have your figures rather incorrect

    Have you included extended family reunification ?


  • #71
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Graniteville wrote: »
    Margaret Cash

    I'd prefer to have 100 Albanian neighbours than that piece of work


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  • #72
    Graniteville
    Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Graniteville


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Inhumane ? Fed, watered, clothed, pocket money, all of our taxes ? Try getting that from somewhere else.

    Within 10 weeks of being permitted to work over 500 people in direct provision got jobs and are contributing to society. That's almost 20% of the adults in DP who found a job within weeks of being permitted to do so and its estimated that over 50% will be in employment within 12 months

    Imagine a certain ethnic community doing the same!


  • #73
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Agree completely with that but the minute we try to send anyone back the bloody campaigns start. We need to stop people at airports, ferry ports etc.

    Anyone interfering with a deportation order should be charged with sedition or something nasty.


  • #74
    2013Lara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭2013Lara


    Living in the town and the people are not happy.


  • #75
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    2013Lara wrote: »
    Living in the town and the people are not happy.

    Your TDs are, that's all that matters.
    And you're a racist if ye mention it.


  • #76
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    2013Lara wrote: »
    Living in the town and the people are not happy.

    If i was living in Wicklow town I wouldnt be either. Be worse living in Arklow though.


  • #77
    2013Lara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭2013Lara


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    One more time. These people are not being housed anywhere near the housing crisis. They are being placed in towns Irish people don't want to relocate to.

    Until Irish people are being turned down homes in these towns because they are being used to house refugees your point is moot.

    Don't agree. Wicklow Town has become very popular over the past couple of years with many people from Dublin moving to it, myself included. There are several new housing estates, all of which are selling out from plans. It's very easy to commute to dublin from. Not the case at all that people don't want to relocate to it.

    This is pure greed on behalf of the new owner of the hotel.


  • #78
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    2013Lara wrote: »
    Don't agree. Wicklow Town has become very popular over the past couple of years with many people from Dublin moving to it, myself included. There are several new housing estates, all of which are selling out from plans. It's very easy to commute to dublin from. Not the case at all that people don't want to relocate to it.

    This is pure greed on behalf of the new owner of the hotel.

    Pure greed that he made a business decision that benefited him? Once again I am shocked to discover any business owner would make such a decision.

    So they are being placed in a hotel which is not taking any housing options away from Irish people on the housing list? What was your point again?


  • #79
    2013Lara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭2013Lara


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    Pure greed that he made a business decision that benefited him? Once again I am shocked to discover any business owner would make such a decision.

    So they are being placed in a hotel which is not taking any housing options away from Irish people on the housing list? What was your point again?

    The hotel that the town desperately needs to bring tourism into it. The tourism that the local businesses all depend on. This will be detrimental to the town. This isnt about the housing of Irish people. This is about our town and how this is going to affect it.


  • #80
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,155 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    2013Lara wrote: »
    The hotel that the town desperately needs to bring tourism into it. The tourism that the local businesses all depend on. This will be detrimental to the town. This isnt about the housing of Irish people. This is about our town and how this is going to affect it.
    Was it often full of tourists ? I don't know the hotel or the town .


  • #81
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1112/1010343-hotel-provision-centres/

    "The contract is for a fixed-term of one year and residents will be from a variety of countries including Nigeria, Pakistan and the Democratic Republic of the Congo."

    Note that these people are not refugees, they are asylum-seekers.

    Indeed, they are very likely to be bogus asylum-seekers.


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  • #82
    Kevin Finnerty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭Kevin Finnerty


    Trailerr wrote: »
    The war in Syria

    You're right. Syria. Not Ireland.


  • #83
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Pretzill wrote: »
    There's great money in direct provision. I don't mean to be cynical but I don't believe the refugees housed there get all that money can buy. As usual there are fat cats making a fortune out of other people's misery.

    They are not refugees.

    Correct, the owners of these DP centres are the ones making millions.


  • #84
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Geuze wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1112/1010343-hotel-provision-centres/

    "The contract is for a fixed-term of one year and residents will be from a variety of countries including Nigeria, Pakistan and the Democratic Republic of the Congo."

    Note that these people are not refugees, they are asylum-seekers.

    Indeed, they are very likely to be bogus asylum-seekers.


    ....why do you think that people from the congo and pakistan are likely to be bogus?


  • #85
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    https://www.esri.ie/pubs/RS72.pdf

    See section 3.4 here.

    3.4 BORDER CONTROL

    Bangladeshi and Pakistani applicants accounted for 50 per cent of all asylum applications in Ireland in 2015, at 9 per cent and 41 per cent respectively (see Figure 1.4). The majority of these applicants, according to IPO, had previously been resident in the UK.74 The influx of Bangladeshi and Pakistani applicants contributed to asylum application figures doubling between 2014 and 2015 (see Figure 1.3). The Minister for Justice and Equality reported that the Irish government was working with the authorities in the UK to address the issue of young men from Bangladesh and Pakistan who were present on UK visas there coming to Ireland to seek asylum (Lynch, 2015).


    All of these people are bogus asylum-seekers.

    They are illegal economic migrants, and should be removed asap.


  • #86
    tonycascarino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭tonycascarino


    Chinasea wrote: »
    It's about time we started to help and take a share. To-date we have certainly been extremely shy.

    Sad to see so much begrudgery.

    We shouldn't be taking in anyone especially not those who are fake refugees. Charity starts at home and we should be looking after our own first before we start looking after anybody else.


  • #87
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    there was a previous direct provision center in wicklow town many years ago .

    the building that now houses a wet simon community center near the wicklow Gaol the biggest tourist attraction in the town .

    when the center was open to refugees it was not well run . violence and criminality of all kind were common.


  • #88
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Chinasea wrote: »
    It's about time we started to help and take a share. To-date we have certainly been extremely shy.

    Sad to see so much begrudgery.

    Genuine refugees are very welcome.

    Illegal economic immigrants are not welcome.


  • #89
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    Great, we're clear on what kind of person you are.

    It really shouldn't be that much of a radical idea to help your fellow man. Especially from those harping on about "looking after our own first".

    You are willing to help your fellow man with a kitty of other peoples' money?

    How virtuous! Damn that is noble.


  • #90
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Geuze wrote: »
    https://www.esri.ie/pubs/RS72.pdf

    See section 3.4 here.

    3.4 BORDER CONTROL

    Bangladeshi and Pakistani applicants accounted for 50 per cent of all asylum applications in Ireland in 2015, at 9 per cent and 41 per cent respectively (see Figure 1.4). The majority of these applicants, according to IPO, had previously been resident in the UK.74 The influx of Bangladeshi and Pakistani applicants contributed to asylum application figures doubling between 2014 and 2015 (see Figure 1.3). The Minister for Justice and Equality reported that the Irish government was working with the authorities in the UK to address the issue of young men from Bangladesh and Pakistan who were present on UK visas there coming to Ireland to seek asylum (Lynch, 2015).


    All of these people are bogus asylum-seekers.

    They are illegal economic migrants, and should be removed asap.


    How do you know that the people currently being considered from those countries are "young men from Bangladesh and Pakistan who were present on UK visas there coming to Ireland to seek asylum"?


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  • #91
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,155 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    tonycascarino wrote: »
    We shouldn't be taking in anyone especially not those who are fake refugees. Charity starts at home and we should be looking after our own first before we start looking after anybody else.

    Thankfully the USA didn't say the same when the famine ships arrived from Ireland . Or the ships or trains arrived with Jews fleeing the war to other countries


  • #92
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Thankfully the USA didn't say the same when the famine ships arrived from Ireland . Or the ships or trains arrived with Jews fleeing the war to other countries

    Of course Ireland didn't want to take the Jewish refugees either...
    Think they took about 30 or 40 families.


  • #93
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Of course Ireland didn't want to take the Jewish refugees either...
    Think they took about 30 or 40 families.

    There wasn’t all that much demand.

    I’m a bit dubious about the refugees from Pakistan unless they belong to a religious minority (which I doubt as most European states have policies against settling Christians and other minorities from these states).

    https://inews.co.uk/news/world/asia-bibi-britain-refuses-asylum-persecuted-pakistani-christian-blasphemy-violent-attacks/


  • #94
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Thankfully the USA didn't say the same when the famine ships arrived from Ireland . Or the ships or trains arrived with Jews fleeing the war to other countries

    The Irish who emigrated to the USA pre 1930 were legal migrants.


  • #95
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    There wasn’t all that much demand.

    I’m a bit dubious about the refugees from Pakistan unless they belong to a religious minority (which I doubt as most European states have policies against settling Christians and other minorities from these states).




    Surprising - you've examples?


  • #96
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    What has a war in Syria got to do with us??

    ah yeah the war in Syria thats why the "refugees" (economic migrants) are from other countries in MENA ....


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  • #97
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Surprising - you've examples?

    Just linked it.


  • #98
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Odhinn wrote: »
    ...they worry that the sheep brothel will be re-purposed next?

    Brilliant !

    How's the job hunting going btw ?


  • #99
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,000 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Oh where art thou Mr. Peter Casey, we need you now! Speak up for those who are afraid to speak out. Thank you kindly.


  • #100
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    There wasn’t all that much demand.

    I’m a bit dubious about the refugees from Pakistan unless they belong to a religious minority (which I doubt as most European states have policies against settling Christians and other minorities from these states).

    https://inews.co.uk/news/world/asia-bibi-britain-refuses-asylum-persecuted-pakistani-christian-blasphemy-violent-attacks/


    The Brits aren't offering it to that specific family. I'm afraid there's nothing there to back up "most European states have policies against settling Christians and other minorities from these states".


    There's already a small community of Ahmadi muslims from pakistan in this country.


  • #101
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Brilliant !

    How's the job hunting going btw ?




    ?????


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