Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [ POSSIBLE SPOILERS ]

pixelburp · 17-06-2021 9:06am

Patrick Stewart is 80 after all; IMO he still looks pretty good for that, his voice has cracked a little but that happens. His passing will be one of the few times a celebrity death will genuinely affect me - I'm not looking forward to it

I was on record in saying that a truly bold, brave choice would have been to properly lean into that android-body climax and recast Stewart. FAndom would have probably had a collective aneurism but I see-saw on the fence whether I enjoy doddery 'aul Stewart play Picard well past his dotage.

TheValeyard · 17-06-2021 10:55am

pixelburp wrote: »

Patrick Stewart is 80 after all; IMO he still looks pretty good for that, his voice has cracked a little but that happens. His passing will be one of the few times a celebrity death will genuinely affect me - I'm not looking forward to it

I was on record in saying that a truly bold, brave choice would have been to properly lean into that android-body climax and recast Stewart. FAndom would have probably had a collective aneurism but I see-saw on the fence whether I enjoy doddery 'aul Stewart play Picard well past his dotage.

I'm half expecting Q to go *click* no more android body.

Chris_5339762 · 17-06-2021 11:08am

pixelburp wrote: »

Patrick Stewart is 80 after all; IMO he still looks pretty good for that, his voice has cracked a little but that happens. His passing will be one of the few times a celebrity death will genuinely affect me - I'm not looking forward to it

I was on record in saying that a truly bold, brave choice would have been to properly lean into that android-body climax and recast Stewart. FAndom would have probably had a collective aneurism but I see-saw on the fence whether I enjoy doddery 'aul Stewart play Picard well past his dotage.

Jesus no, it wouldn't be Picard without Stewart. Having him old is what makes the series, provided the writing is good.

pixelburp · 17-06-2021 11:19am

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Jesus no, it wouldn't be Picard without Stewart. Having him old is what makes the series, provided the writing is good.

Oh I never said it would be a good idea, just that I'll often respect the brazenness of an insane swing - if not the execution. Like, if the show decided to cast Tom Hardy (again) as young, idealistic and re-energised Picard in an ongoing series of new episodic adventures? I mean, it'd have my attention :pac:

Evade · 17-06-2021 11:22am

The whole android body thing is such a weird plot point.

Lets kill Picard but only for few minutes and give him a new special body that fixes what killed him but is otherwise indistinguishable from his previous 94 year old body.

Imagine if it was Nog and they created an android body with one leg.

Do we still have to cover season one spoilers?

pixelburp · 17-06-2021 11:27am

Evade wrote: »

The whole android body thing is such a weird plot point.
Lets kill Picard but only for few minutes and give him a new special body that fixes what killed him but is otherwise indistinguishable from his previous 94 year old body.
Imagine if it was Nog and they created an android body with one leg.

Do we still have to cover season one spoilers?

I suppose as this is the general thread it should stay relatively clean of spoilers I'd say, but as Season 2 may address events from the end of Season 1 it seems difficult to talk of the upcoming season without talking details.

As to the plot point itself? It was a pile of shíte, a cheap move that was almost a carbon copy of the same done in Into Darkness. Feign a "death" for lazy emotional points, then almost intermediately undercut it with a cheat - one that opened up huge ramifications for the universe (not that the "writers" cared)

AMKC · 17-06-2021 12:00pm

Has there been a Blu-Ray of season 1 yet? I would buy it if there is any good extra's but if not then it can stay on the shelfs or in the warehouses and will wait till the series has ended and hope for better.

I just hope there is no copy and paste ships in this season or the next one like there was at the end of last season

Evade · 17-06-2021 12:07pm

AMKC wrote: »

Has there been a Blu-Ray of season 1 yet? I would buy it if there is any good extra's but if not then it can stay on the shelfs or in the warehouses and will wait till the series has ended and hope for better.
I just hope there is no copy and paste ships in this season or the next one like there was at the end of last season

There is a Blu-ray and it does have some extras.
https://trekmovie.com/2020/10/06/review-star-trek-picard-season-one-on-blu-ray-looks-beautiful-with-just-enough-special-features/

Brian? · 17-06-2021 1:56pm

Surely we don't need spoiler tags for series 1 at this stage?

EltonJohn69 · 17-06-2021 2:57pm

Brian? wrote: »

Surely we don't need spoiler tags for series 1 at this stage?

Agreed.

seamus · 17-06-2021 2:57pm

pixelburp wrote: »

I was on record in saying that a truly bold, brave choice would have been to properly lean into that android-body climax and recast Stewart. FAndom would have probably had a collective aneurism but I see-saw on the fence whether I enjoy doddery 'aul Stewart play Picard well past his dotage.

I recall saying that after the five minutes of emotion they should have cut to a first-person shot of Brent Spiner/Soong leaning over the camera saying "Jean-Luc, Jean-Luc, wake up"

And then the camera switches and it's James McEvoy on the table, balding and greying, i.e. about five years before season 1 TNG.

The geek meltdown would have been something to behold. But I appreciate that a huge part of the appeal of the entire thing is Stewart's involvement. I wonder are they just planning 3 series, or are they setting up an opportunity to recast Picard. They missed a really good one though.

pixelburp · 17-06-2021 3:12pm

seamus wrote: »

I recall saying that after the five minutes of emotion they should have cut to a first-person shot of Brent Spiner/Soong leaning over the camera saying "Jean-Luc, Jean-Luc, wake up"

And then the camera switches and it's James McEvoy on the table, balding and greying, i.e. about five years before season 1 TNG.

The geek meltdown would have been something to behold. But I appreciate that a huge part of the appeal of the entire thing is Stewart's involvement. I wonder are they just planning 3 series, or are they setting up an opportunity to recast Picard. They missed a really good one though.

One of the few successes of the '09 Trek, and maybe I'm not reflective of the consensus, was that the casting for it was absolutely stellar. Chris Pine was excellent as Kirk and added a different energy to the role without seeming completely at odds with Shatner's own, iconic version. No reason why the same couldn't happen with TNG, but it'd be very prone to failure. Stewart's Picard is a different, more subtle beast to Shatner's adventurous, big performances.

TheValeyard · 17-06-2021 4:23pm

Brian? wrote: »

Surely we don't need spoiler tags for series 1 at this stage?

Yeah I agree. But could be also delete the season finale and pretend it never happened?

Evade · 17-06-2021 4:41pm

Maybe one of the mods could edit the thread title to include probable season one spoilers.

Sad Professor · 17-06-2021 5:35pm

Folks, I have edited the thread title to say possible spoilers. I agree no need for tags for season 1. For season 2 stuff I would suggest a common sense approach.

FFVII · 17-06-2021 8:51pm

Season 1 was sh1te, broken time.....ooh we are off to a bad start. Q won't be able to save this.

Justin Credible Darts · 17-06-2021 8:54pm

FFVII wrote: »

Season 1 was sh1te, broken time.....ooh we are off to a bad start. Q won't be able to save this.

Therein lies the problem.
you can throw in data, riker, troi, maddox, hugh, icheb to pack out season 1, throw Q and guinan in for season 2, but if the writing is sh1t, then the guest stars will hardly paper over the cracks

silverharp · 18-06-2021 9:21am

do Paramount Plus on Youtube do some geo blocking with their trailers? its where the season 2 trailer should be but I cant see it listed?

FFVII · 18-06-2021 9:24am

silverharp wrote: »

do Paramount Plus on Youtube do some geo blocking with their trailers? its where the season 2 trailer should be but I cant see it listed?

Its on the last page here. But yea, its really blocked all over

Rawr · 18-06-2021 9:49am

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Therein lies the problem.
you can throw in data, riker, troi, maddox, hugh, icheb to pack out season 1, throw Q and guinan in for season 2, but if the writing is sh1t, then the guest stars will hardly paper over the cracks

What's kind of frustrating is that they *nearly* stuck the landing, and then bellyflopped so badly into the pool, that the ripples of their mistakes splashed all over the earlier episodes.

Right up until the last quarter of the show, I was still on board and it still felt like ok Trek. This was "The Search for Data", with a possible Borg angle that seemed promising.

Alas, when it turned out that they had set up everything with a thinly conceived plan that they then rushed into a badly excuted ending, it was all for nothing in the end. I haven't watched Picard since, because the pay-off was just so disappointing.

I still feel that Picard should have been a swan-song for Picard. One *actually nobel* sacrifice for the sake of Galactic Peace...and *then* spin off the characters into something new. Picard's "death" ended up hollow and pointless.

I honestly hope they have learned from their mistakes...but that said...these people make Discovery

pixelburp · 18-06-2021 9:59am

Alex Kurtzman might be the kingmaker and we're all keen to pile on, but Picard is made by a completely different collection of individuals. Goldsman has written for both shows but IMO we should critique both shows as their own entities, and each has entirely different issues at the heart of their respective flaws. Picard had a good setup, some interesting characters but just couldn't find ways to make it all come together. Discovery is a hot mess, whirling about as a show searching for a premise, one where Poochie is its main lead.

And as batshít as that finale was, the Goodbye to Data nearly saved the episode; as an intentional attempt to reset the garbage that was Nemesis, effectively giving Data what he always wanted - to be human. I'll be honest, the room got a little dusty when we saw him age as a man.

Plus, the space flowers. I know I've said it before and it hasn't been popular with some but Star Trek always gets points when it goes hard for the Cosmic Weirdness. Cos yeah, space would be that weird. Can't articulate why that moment resonated with me, just one of those things.

Rawr · 18-06-2021 10:10am

pixelburp wrote: »

And as batshít as that finale was, the Goodbye to Data nearly saved the episode; as an intentional attempt to reset the garbage that was Nemesis, effectively giving Data what he always wanted - to be human. I'll be honest, the room got a little dusty when we saw him age as a man.

Plus, the space flowers. I know I've said it before and it hasn't been popular with some but Star Trek always gets points when it goes hard for the Cosmic Weirdness. Cos yeah, space would be that weird.

Agreed, the goodbye to Data was one good bit of the finale. It did feel like the ending that Data deserved, and that on it's own was well handled.

Space Flowers were fine too...had a sort of TOS feel to them.

AMKC · 18-06-2021 10:19am

pixelburp wrote: »

Alex Kurtzman might be the kingmaker and we're all keen to pile on, but Picard is made by a completely different collection of individuals. Goldsman has written for both shows but IMO we should critique both shows as their own entities, and each has entirely different issues at the heart of their respective flaws. Picard had a good setup, some interesting characters but just couldn't find ways to make it all come together. Discovery is a hot mess, whirling about as a show searching for a premise, one where Poochie is its main lead.

And as batshít as that finale was, the Goodbye to Data nearly saved the episode; as an intentional attempt to reset the garbage that was Nemesis, effectively giving Data what he always wanted - to be human. I'll be honest, the room got a little dusty when we saw him age as a man.

Plus, the space flowers. I know I've said it before and it hasn't been popular with some but Star Trek always gets points when it goes hard for the Cosmic Weirdness. Cos yeah, space would be that weird. Can't articulate why that moment resonated with me, just one of those things.

to reset the garbage that was Nemesis, effectively giving Data what he always wanted -

That's harsh.

Nemesis might not have been perfect but I disagree with it been rubbish. I would watch it before "Star Trek 2009" or "Into Darkness" before "Star Trek The Final Frontier" and maybe even before "Insurrection" even do it had some funny parts but that is where I would put Nemesis before all them films in the Trek world.

seamus · 18-06-2021 10:19am

All of my speculation over season 1 was wrong, but that's not going to stop me trying.

I was wondering last night, with the "Time is broken" thing, shots of Picard apparently still in Starfleet, the Chateau empty, Seven not assimilated, are they going to do some form of tie-in with the Kelvin universe.

It hints in some respect to something happening where Starfleet get forewarning of big threats - Borg, Romulus, etc - so they end up being averted. It could also be a tie-in with Discovery, but I they didn't do that last season, and they seem to be steering very wide of it, which is a good thing.

Agent Coulson · 18-06-2021 10:22am

silverharp wrote: »

do Paramount Plus on Youtube do some geo blocking with their trailers? its where the season 2 trailer should be but I cant see it listed?

It's up on Star Treks Twitter pages.

silverharp · 18-06-2021 10:27am

Agent Coulson wrote: »

It's up on Star Treks Twitter pages.

i saw it alright, but I wanted to see what kind of reaction it was getting

Rawr · 18-06-2021 10:44am

seamus wrote: »

All of my speculation over season 1 was wrong, but that's not going to stop me trying.

I was wondering last night, with the "Time is broken" thing, shots of Picard apparently still in Starfleet, the Chateau empty, Seven not assimilated, are they going to do some form of tie-in with the Kelvin universe.

It hints in some respect to something happening where Starfleet get forewarning of big threats - Borg, Romulus, etc - so they end up being averted. It could also be a tie-in with Discovery, but I they didn't do that last season, and they seem to be steering very wide of it, which is a good thing.

It does kind of make you wonder about the sequence of events for Seven to have not been assimilated.

Which could mean that:

- The Hansens never traveled to the Delta Quadrant to study the Borg.
- The El-Aurian refugees (ST: Generations) never mentioned the Borg, or even made it to Earth. (Borg records never exist to prompt the Hansens to study them).
- The Borg incident on NX-01 never happened, or was stopped before they could transmit Earth's location to the Delta Quadrant. (Never prompting the Borg to expand in this direction.)
- The Enterprise D's encounter with a cube at System J-25 might not have happened.

Without Seven (Annika), would this also mean that Voyager might have still gone to the Delta Quadrant, and might even still be there?
How did Picard's career proceed without the trauma of becoming Lucutus?
How did Sisco's life proceed without losing Jennifer at Wolf 359?
Without Sisco, how did things go with DS9?

Would an even more powerful Dominion happen to stumble upon an un-guarded wormhole and threaten to destroy everything?

Loads of stuff to wonder about...just hope they land on something decent.

AMKC · 18-06-2021 11:29am

seamus wrote: »

All of my speculation over season 1 was wrong, but that's not going to stop me trying.

I was wondering last night, with the "Time is broken" thing, shots of Picard apparently still in Starfleet, the Chateau empty, Seven not assimilated, are they going to do some form of tie-in with the Kelvin universe.

It hints in some respect to something happening where Starfleet get forewarning of big threats - Borg, Romulus, etc - so they end up being averted. It could also be a tie-in with Discovery, but I they didn't do that last season, and they seem to be steering very wide of it, which is a good thing.

Maybe this is Qs way of showing Picard what would have happened had he taken the road not taken if he had stayed in Starfleet and not rescued the Romulans maybe how things might have turned out worse for the Galaxy or maybe better who knows with Q.

silverharp · 18-06-2021 11:41am

I cant say turning star trek into a time travel show is a positive, nothing matters if they keep shaking the sandbox

Evade · 18-06-2021 1:23pm

Rawr wrote: »

It does kind of make you wonder about the sequence of events for Seven to have not been assimilated.

Bigger event, there are no Borg. It would be a pretty big moral dilemma for Picard and Q to have to restore a galaxy to one that includes Borg because it's the correct timeline. Imagine waking up one day to a world that's much worse than the one you remember then Q shows up and says in order to set things right you must prevent one Private A. Hitler from being killed in the Battle of the Somme.

Evade · 18-06-2021 1:24pm

silverharp wrote: »

I cant say turning star trek into a time travel show is a positive, nothing matters if they keep shaking the sandbox

I do like the few road not taken episodes they've done but you're right Star Trek isn't Timecop.

Justin Credible Darts · 18-06-2021 2:33pm

silverharp wrote: »

I cant say turning star trek into a time travel show is a positive, nothing matters if they keep shaking the sandbox

a least on here you can actually criticize star trek

some trek sites have banned people for having the audacity to criticize the abysmal writing on discovery, the flaws in picard, and the nonsense that is lower decks.

if you mention anything about lgbt issues , well thats tantamount to hate speech and off you are sent.

odyssey06 · 18-06-2021 2:35pm

Evade wrote: »

I do like the few road not taken episodes they've done but you're right Star Trek isn't Timecop.

Unless you are these guys:

Justin Credible Darts · 18-06-2021 2:38pm

those guys names were anagrams of mulder and scully......^^^

there are numerous references to the x files in that episode

pixelburp · 18-06-2021 3:02pm

silverharp wrote: »

I cant say turning star trek into a time travel show is a positive, nothing matters if they keep shaking the sandbox

7of9 being de-borged suggests this won't have anything that sticks, and be a timeline that resets at the end. It'd be too radical a change. As someone mentioned maybe this will be the Kelvin'verse and we'll see where that universe goes after the events of the Abrams movies.

Evade · 18-06-2021 3:17pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Unless you are these guys:

I take it back, I probably would watch Star Trek: Temporal Investigations if a competent person was in charge.

Justin Credible Darts · 18-06-2021 7:50pm

recreated the new picard insignias.

The red star
the ufp lapel insignia
and the La Sirena combadge

https://gazomg-trek-art.blogspot.com/search/label/LOGO%27S%20%232

corkie · 27-06-2021 8:06pm

{Giant Freakin Robot} Exclusive: Patrick Stewart Being Recast As Jean-Luc Picard

"...... has learned that Paramount wants to recast a young Picard for the movies set in the JJ Abrams universe.

......

One of the best ways to handle this character growth may be to introduce the new actor for a Young Jean-Luc Picard on Star Trek: Picard. Right now, Paramount has the obvious opportunity to do this. It seems like we’re likely to see a young Jean-Luc in season two of the series, since there are going to be alternate timelines and time travel involved. Q will make introducing a young Picard easy."

pixelburp · 27-06-2021 8:16pm

I thought the Abrams universe was functionally dead? Or at least, so I had hoped. I had been talking recasting Picard but from the point of view of the TV series, not the histrionic films. Would have preferred the former.

Mind you, the actual, Patrick Stewart Trek films made a bags of Picard so the bar is already quite low in "getting" the character so maybe the only way is up.

Evade · 27-06-2021 8:28pm

I'm going to be optimistic and say it could work, young Picard was a bit insufferable so they can't exactly ruin him.

Corkie, the dark blue text is very hard to read if you use dark mode.

AMKC · 27-06-2021 8:45pm

I really hope if they do that that the films are not just about action and explosions then. Yes Picard was a bit more of that in the movies than the series but still better than the recent JJ Trek movies. By the way Film 4 are having a Star Trek Marathon from 6.20pm on Friday on. The first 4 movies on the first night and then 5 on on Saturday from 11am on.

pixelburp · 27-06-2021 9:06pm

AMKC wrote: »

I really hope if they do that that the films are not just about action and explosions then. Yes Picard was a bit more of that in the movies than the series but still better than the recent JJ Trek movies. By the way Film 4 are having a Star Trek Marathon from 6.20pm on Friday on. The first 4 movies on the first night and then 5 on on Saturday from 11am on.

Eh, I dunno. Gimme a choice between '09 Trek and Nemesis, and while the reboot was trash, it was still trash with good action and pacing. But that's very much deciding on degrees of badness at the same time for me

breezy1985 · 15-07-2021 5:12pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117527683#Comment_117527683

At least the people involved in 09 had their hearts in it. Nemesis reminds me of Star Trek XII : So Very Tired

FutureGuy · 17-07-2021 8:20am

"It would be hard to do worse" - Gabriel Lorca

Slydice · 03-09-2021 1:55am

Seeing a bunch of headline about it and I'm like.. OK.. that's fine.. but I don't really know who she is.

I'm guessing the headline part of it must be the Borg Queen as a character returning.. which sounds fair as a headline generator for me 🙂

Anyway.. new actress for Borg Queen announced: Annie Wershing.

She'll have a fair mountain to climb to live up to Alice Krige.. who is still out there and working in TV so I'm not sure what the deal is..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Krige

Be cool if she could do a cameo at some point. I can't see any reason not to have multiple.. if not multitudes of Queens.

If I remember correctly, it was mentioned that their species made good candidates for Queens (so.. probably could have King.. Queens 😁 either)

No note about that on memory alpha: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Species_125

https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1433538284546789377

CastorTroy · 03-09-2021 9:35am

I first knew her from 24 and lately from Bosch with the likes of Timeless and Runaways in between.

pixelburp · 03-09-2021 11:07am

Huh. Wonder if this will as the Queen returned, or if it'll be more Lacutus / First Contact flashbacks.

Evade · 03-09-2021 2:30pm

I just noticed all the cars in the tweet Slydice linked. Why?

CastorTroy · 04-09-2021 1:42pm

Because it's a long road getting from there to here?

Slydice · 06-09-2021 2:13am

That's a good question.

I had a quick check there as I couldn't remember seeing ground cars much in Star Trek.

Couldn't see any indication in the Opening of the Motion Picture.. the Golden Gate Bridge is glassed over 🙂

but..

I remembered Into Darkness got pretty ground-level so I checked the crash scene and sure enough ground-cars.. so.. I wouldn't pin it to a time travel episode.. I wouldn't exclude it either though.

Khan crossing a road about 3:10 into this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMwTbrA7v1I

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