New platform for Limerick junction

ongarboy · 16-04-2018 10:57pm #1

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/307805/new-platform-planned-at-limerick-junction-to-keep-time-improvements-on-track.html

I never knew there was such a bottleneck on the Dublin Cork railway line that oncoming trains couldn't pass each other at the same time without giving way.

Poxyshamrock · 17-04-2018 1:52pm

Can’t find the plans online yet. Would I be right in saying that the proposed platform will be built on the opposite side of the tracks to Platform 1 (main Cork/Dublin platform)?

Shn99 · 17-04-2018 7:51pm

http://www.eplanning.ie/TipperaryCC/AppFileRefDetails/18600453/0

Poxyshamrock · 17-04-2018 10:41pm

Shn99 wrote: »

http://www.eplanning.ie/TipperaryCC/AppFileRefDetails/18600453/0

No files uploaded yet though.

Jamie2k9 · 18-04-2018 5:26pm

ongarboy wrote: »

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/307805/new-platform-planned-at-limerick-junction-to-keep-time-improvements-on-track.html

I never knew there was such a bottleneck on the Dublin Cork railway line that oncoming trains couldn't pas seach other at the same time without giving way.

They could pass but only one could stop at Limerick Junction.

IE 222 · 20-04-2018 8:00pm

Would a new station located between the Waterford line and the direct curve not be a better investment with a bay platform in the middle for Limerick - Limerick jct. services. It would remove the reversing from Waterford and allow direct Limerick services to stop as well.

Del.Monte · 20-04-2018 9:59pm

IE 222 wrote: »

Would a new station located between the Waterford line and the direct curve not be a better investment with a bay platform in the middle for Limerick - Limerick jct. services. It would remove the reversing from Waterford and allow direct Limerick services to stop as well.

Something similar suggested in the other thread on C+T but would take huge vision and cost more than the planned new platform.

Jamie2k9 · 20-04-2018 11:49pm

Probably talking 25-40 million for a complete new station, access, signalling etc

Its just not worth it to cut maybe 5-6 minutes and allow Waterford-Limerick J-Limerick. I mean signalling/track upgrades between Waterford-Limerick J could deliver than and at a lower cost.

Isambard · 21-04-2018 8:21am

The trouble is , this upgrade will be built with the mindset that they want to shut the Waterford line. No improvements to the interchange to benefit that line will even occur to them

Shn99 · 28-04-2018 6:43pm

Just passed through the junction, planning notices up and an area on platform 3 marked out for the stairs for the bridge

Shn99 · 23-06-2018 8:37pm

Passed through the junction yesterday, lots of new track has arrived. Has planning for the new platform been granted?

Shn99 · 25-06-2018 6:43pm

Appears it has been, here are the plans http://193.178.30.68/idocswebDPSS/ViewFiles.aspx?docid=548594&format=jpeg http://193.178.30.68/idocswebDPSS/ViewFiles.aspx?docid=548598&format=jpeg

Del.Monte · 25-06-2018 7:31pm

Shn99 wrote: »

Appears it has been, here are the plans http://193.178.30.68/idocswebDPSS/ViewFiles.aspx?docid=548594&format=jpeg http://193.178.30.68/idocswebDPSS/ViewFiles.aspx?docid=548598&format=jpeg

Link doesn't work for me.

Shn99 · 25-06-2018 8:45pm

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Ireland trains · 27-07-2018 10:50pm

Shn99 wrote: »

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So does this mean there will be 2 extra platforms

Poxyshamrock · 29-07-2018 4:42pm

Ireland trains wrote: »

So does this mean there will be 2 extra platforms

Just one afaik.

goingnowhere · 29-07-2018 9:38pm

just a single platform usable only for Cork bound trains

Ireland trains · 29-07-2018 10:08pm

Would make sense if waterford trains could use it via a new direct curve

IE 222 · 29-07-2018 10:38pm

goingnowhere wrote: »

just a single platform usable only for Cork bound trains

Plans look like they include a bay platform as well. Unless it's for stabling track machines or resuce loco.

IE 222 · 29-07-2018 10:40pm

Ireland trains wrote: »

Would make sense if waterford trains could use it via a new direct curve

My guess a curve would be too tights. Maybe an L shape platform could work.

flyingsnail · 30-07-2018 12:13pm

IE 222 wrote: »

Plans look like they include a bay platform as well. Unless it's for stabling track machines or resuce loco.

What looks like a bay on the drawings are just the existing sidings.

IE 222 · 31-07-2018 2:11pm

flyingsnail wrote: »

What looks like a bay on the drawings are just the existing sidings.

I know the current sidings are there but the potential is there to add a bay if they choose to at a later date. It's probably to accommodate the footbridge more so but the design would allow for a bay platform.

Shn99 · 27-10-2018 8:38am

Work finally beginning, fencing has been erected outlining the new platform, tracks have been removed to make way for it and the machinery is on site.

Ireland trains · 04-01-2019 7:43pm

When is the due completion month

Isambard · 04-01-2019 7:58pm

could guess the month, bit vague on the year though

Shn99 · 04-01-2019 7:59pm

Construction is well under way

theguzman · 06-01-2019 8:15pm

I changed at Limerick Junction recently and there is a lot of work there, was talking to the IE staff and they were two grand lads, told me a fair bit about Railways I never even knew.

Ireland trains · 06-02-2019 10:36pm

What month is the platform due to be finished.
When is pelletstown station due to be built

dowlingm · 17-02-2019 3:48pm

Catching up with this now - great news. The JPGs are a bit blurry, must catch up with the Djvu on a PC later - hard to believe that proprietary ****e persists instead of PDF...

I do think at least a bay for Waterford-LJ (terminating) would be helpful as then those services would not cross the mainline, reducing conflicts there, and could depart promptly and arrive without an undue connection time. But then people might give the service another shot and that would never do!

Del.Monte · 17-02-2019 5:52pm

dowlingm wrote: »

Catching up with this now - great news. The JPGs are a bit blurry, must catch up with the Djvu on a PC later - hard to believe that proprietary ****e persists instead of PDF...

I do think at least a bay for Waterford-LJ (terminating) would be helpful as then those services would not cross the mainline, reducing conflicts there, and could depart promptly and arrive without an undue connection time. But then people might give the service another shot and that would never do!

That's why the whole station should be moved north of its existing location but will never happen.

Shn99 · 17-02-2019 7:18pm

Hi all, passed through junction today and the platform has been built. Pics here :
https://ibb.co/WK0prm6
https://ibb.co/b12KD2X
https://ibb.co/7WV8s57
https://ibb.co/tBGGKFP
https://ibb.co/y6QdNTF
https://ibb.co/SRH4Ygh
https://ibb.co/N15h2wN

dowlingm · 17-02-2019 11:04pm

Shn99 wrote: »

Appears it has been, here are the plans http://193.178.30.68/idocswebDPSS/ViewFiles.aspx?docid=548594&format=jpeg http://193.178.30.68/idocswebDPSS/ViewFiles.aspx?docid=548598&format=jpeg

These links are for Thurles. Oddly, the application for LJ (18600453) is marked "incomplete" with no scanned files.

dowlingm · 17-02-2019 11:05pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

That's why the whole station should be moved north of its existing location but will never happen.

Too long a walk to the racetrack though

Del.Monte · 18-02-2019 12:06am

dowlingm wrote: »

Too long a walk to the racetrack though

Not to mention the "Bit & Bridle".

Ireland trains · 13-04-2019 10:49am

Footbridge has been installed
Any news on opening dare

Shn99 · 13-04-2019 11:41am

June according to staff there

Ireland trains · 27-04-2019 9:17pm

Was at limerick junction yesterday ans platform progressing well.
On a side note i was very impressed with the train to heuston (coming from Cork). Fast,comfortable and on time.
Train was packed half one with just about all seats full with people standing. First class basically empty

dowlingm · 28-04-2019 11:27pm

Global Rail Services write up
https://www.theglobalinfrastructuregroup.com/news/global-rail-services-installing-new-platform-and-footbridge-at-limerick-junction-station/

Jamie2k9 · 29-04-2019 8:15am

Without looking into times in more detail, 4.8 mins savings looks a little optimistic in my opinion. Yes train will not need to slow down for 1.5-2 miles longer nor will the 15mph be applicable on approach. I am not convinced, I would have said 3-3.5 mins max.

Ireland trains · 29-04-2019 5:14pm

It will save around 4 minutes.
15:00 heuston-Cork calls at Thurles, Charleville and Mallow. 3 stops, 2h, 25m.
16:00 Heuston-Cork calls at Thurles, Limerick junction and mallow. 3 stops again but it takes 2h, 29m, an extra 4 min.
Although some services may only have an extra 3 minutes.
Also is there a reason why most Cork-Dublin trains take slighlty longer than trains in the other direction.
I'd say there will be a timetable change in september to benefit from the new platform and line improvment works over the last 2 years. Maby bring average j.t. to 2h,20-25m
06:15 express must be due a change as it has stayed 2h, 15m for 4 years even though there was line improvment works for all of those years.
Finally that the spare MK4 set could be used as an extra service to Cork in the peak time.

Isambard · 30-04-2019 9:12am

the biggest saving will be when there is disruption and trains no longer baulk each other waiting for platform access. I'd imagine this can be quite a saving.

thomond2006 · 03-06-2019 11:37am

Why is the footbridge positioned so far down the platform? It's not ideal for passengers who are entering and exiting the station.

Del.Monte · 03-06-2019 2:23pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Why is the footbridge positioned so far down the platform? It's not ideal for passengers who are entering and exiting the station.

Surely you don't imagine that passengers were taken into consideration when planning the new platform and footbridge?

Isambard · 03-06-2019 3:00pm

Limerick Junction is primarily an interchange station I imagine that has influenced the footbridge position

Del.Monte · 03-06-2019 8:27pm

Isambard wrote: »

Limerick Junction is primarily an interchange station I imagine that has influenced the footbridge position

Tell that to all the passengers from Tipperary.

Jamie2k9 · 03-06-2019 10:45pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Why is the footbridge positioned so far down the platform? It's not ideal for passengers who are entering and exiting the station.

They would have had to close the station.

Isambard · 04-06-2019 9:16am

Del.Monte wrote: »

Tell that to all the passengers from Tipperary.

what all of them? how long do I have?

thomond2006 · 04-06-2019 11:27am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

They would have had to close the station.

Really?

Why couldn't the footbridge be placed at the other side of the platform, closer to the station entrance?

Ireland trains · 04-06-2019 12:28pm

The new platform is not directly parallel. Its further north(?) So the bridge has to be further up the existing platform.
Is it due to open this month

Isambard · 04-06-2019 12:32pm

Ireland trains wrote: »

The new platform is not directly parallel. Its further north(?) So the bridge has to be further up the existing platform.
Is it due to open this month

Yes indeed and in the most convenient place for passengers from down trains transferring to the Limerick shuttle. It's no good saving time by installing a new platform only to wait extra minutes for passengers to traipse along the up platform to get to the bay.

Jamie2k9 · 04-06-2019 7:02pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Really?

Why couldn't the footbridge be placed at the other side of the platform, closer to the station entrance?

Close to the station entrance would most likely require closure of the station, platforms are narrow. You will see that some of the bay platform (plt 3) is taken out of service during the works.

When the platform opens, I would hope that IE will ensure the Limerick shuttle operators at platform 3 i.e next to bridge and not further in like currently except when Waterford service is there.

New platform for Limerick junction

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