Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2019/2020

Liam O · 25-04-2019 4:00pm

They should rename the award the Paul Pogba PFA awards he's been so good.

yourdeadwright · 25-04-2019 4:01pm

What do united fans think of the Rashford contract situation ,

United would be stupid to let him go into the final year of his contract any big club should not let that happen ,but at the same time does he deserve to get a new deal on the wages he will be looking for , Surely he will be looking for a very large wage ,

Will he be looking for elite level wages when he is far from elite level in performances do
United give him what he wants ?

It's a tuff one because i think he is coming to the cross road where he will have realise your talent in the next couple of season's or may be moved on ,

bucketybuck · 25-04-2019 4:02pm

The Pogba DFA award.

25-04-2019 4:03pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Personally as a Spurs fan I don't think Pogba is worthy of his PFA 11 nomination.

he'd just about get in Uniteds tbf

25-04-2019 4:07pm

bangkok wrote: »

This season, Paul Pogba ranks 1st for United in:

�� goals/xGoals
�� assists/xAssists
�� goal-involvements
�� xGChain
�� chances cheated
�� dribbles
�� touches
�� passing chains
�� progressive passes
�� through balls
�� duels won
�� distance covered

Means little without the per 90s

He has played way more minutes then any midfield or forward player at the club this season if he was topping most of them given that it would trurly be awful

nullzero · 25-04-2019 4:20pm

Liam O wrote: »

They should rename the award the Paul Pogba PFA awards he's been so good.

The Paul Pogba award for outstanding achievement in the field of excellence.

Trigger · 25-04-2019 4:23pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

What do united fans think of the Rashford contract situation ,

United would be stupid to let him go into the final year of his contract any big club should not let that happen ,but at the same time does he deserve to get a new deal on the wages he will be looking for , Surely he will be looking for a very large wage ,

Will he be looking for elite level wages when he is far from elite level in performances do
United give him what he wants ?

It's a tuff one because i think he is coming to the cross road where he will have realise your talent in the next couple of season's or may be moved on ,

He has 2 and a bit years left on his contract, United have a club option on it for a year

Trigger · 25-04-2019 4:24pm

nullzero wrote: »

The Paul Pogba award for outstanding achievement in the field of excellence.

The Paul Pogba award for outstanding achievement in the field of excellence in an attacking sense only.

yourdeadwright · 25-04-2019 4:26pm

astradave wrote: »

He has 2 and a bit years left on his contract, United have a club option on it for a year

I didn't realise they had the extra year option , In that case they can hold out and see how he preforms next season before giving him a new deal ,

Trigger · 25-04-2019 4:29pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I didn't realise they had the extra year option , In that case they can hold out and see how he preforms next season before giving him a new deal ,

Not really, they should be tying him up to a contract now.. that's been one of my big criticisms of the board, they shouldn't be letting first team players go near the last year of their contracts. Tie him up then if he wants a move you get a fee for him, if you dont you have another Herrera situation

fatherted1969 · 25-04-2019 4:35pm

We're currently in a bad spell but this is nowhere near Ole's team so we need to be realistic here. Most of us had given him a free pass to the end of the season anyway. Hopefully he'll know who's a Utd player and who isn't and act accordingly. Better now than this ****e in October. 3 games to go and there's plenty to play for, none of ourselves, Arsenal and Chelsea are pulling up trees at the moment so there's a lot to play for still. It's the hope that kills ye I suppose but that's what keeps me coming back. I've supported Utd through far far worse spells than this

bangkok · 25-04-2019 4:38pm

astradave wrote: »

Not really, they should be tying him up to a contract now.. that's been one of my big criticisms of the board, they shouldn't be letting first team players go near the last year of their contracts. Tie him up then if he wants a move you get a fee for him, if you dont you have another Herrera situation

They tried to get a fee for both darmian and rojo last summer and couldnt get one

yourdeadwright · 25-04-2019 4:40pm

astradave wrote: »

He has 2 and a bit years left on his contract, United have a club option on it for a year

astradave wrote: »

Not really, they should be tying him up to a contract now.. that's been one of my big criticisms of the board, they shouldn't be letting first team players go near the last year of their contracts. Tie him up then if he wants a move you get a fee for him, if you dont you have another Herrera situation

Its not that easy Rashford will want mega bucks but does he deserve it ?
If you wait till after next season you will have a better idea of the player he will become and can either give him the contract he deserves or sell him with two years left on his current one ,

yourdeadwright · 25-04-2019 4:42pm

bangkok wrote: »

They tried to get a fee for both darmian and rojo last summer and couldnt get one

That's my point if you give a player a wage and contract that he doesn't deserve its very hard to off load them ,

So the big question is does Rashford deserve the huge pay rise he will look for this summer ? Its a tricky question

DM_7 · 25-04-2019 4:49pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

If you look at twitter, which is what is really important to MUPLC, he is very popular.

Big Dave has way more followers on twitter. Better get him his new contract.

Trigger · 25-04-2019 5:05pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Its not that easy Rashford will want mega bucks but does he deserve it ?
If you wait till after next season you will have a better idea of the player he will become and can either give him the contract he deserves or sell him with two years left on his current one ,

No I meant initially that he has 2 years including the club option sorry, so it's time now to offer him a deal, if you wait till 1 year left and you really want to keep him then the player and agent can hold you over the barrel.

It's a bad business move to allow any first team player to get into the last year of their deal, even more when the value of the player would be vastly higher than the value of the contract for that year.

Backstreet Moyes · 25-04-2019 5:05pm

bangkok wrote: »

They tried to get a fee for both darmian and rojo last summer and couldnt get one

Yes because both are on crazy money for the level they are at

Same as with Rooney we will have to probably sell for little and subsidize wages

Another masterstroke by Woodward the man is a magician fooling everyone into blaming managers

GSPfan · 25-04-2019 5:26pm

limnam wrote: »

How the fck is Forlan a 2?

Only seen this now....

His career at United was a 2 out of 5. He never got going. His career after United and internationally was probably a 3.5 or 4 even but not at United.

yourdeadwright · 25-04-2019 5:26pm

astradave wrote: »

No I meant initially that he has 2 years including the club option sorry, so it's time now to offer him a deal, if you wait till 1 year left and you really want to keep him then the player and agent can hold you over the barrel.

It's a bad business move to allow any first team player to get into the last year of their deal, even more when the value of the player would be vastly higher than the value of the contract for that year.

In reality Rashford will be looking for a 4/5 year contract on a massive wage,
Will he be worth it and if he is not can you then shift him because of the wage,

He is still only potential , Iv said numerous times I don't think he is currently good enough to be United main man , United need a 20/25 goal a season striker who effects the biggest games,

limnam · 25-04-2019 5:43pm

Seems Paul Ince is tired of Ole pretending to be Alex Ferguson :pac:

secman · 25-04-2019 6:12pm

limnam wrote: »

No one honestly does.

Technically not correct... Bangkok does

bangkok · 25-04-2019 6:40pm

secman wrote: »

Technically not correct... Bangkok does

I just said son deserved it but whatever

GSPfan · 25-04-2019 6:43pm

limnam wrote: »

Seems Paul Ince is tired of Ole pretending to be Alex Ferguson :pac:

Typical bitter sound bites from a former player who has no credibility in management. I take nothing he says with any sort of seriousness. If I didn’t know he was a footballer I’d think he was a punch drunk former boxer.

PS - Yeah I don’t like him.

limnam · 25-04-2019 7:03pm

secman wrote: »

Technically not correct... Bangkok does

He doesn't really.

He knows it's BS.

kona · 25-04-2019 7:04pm

GSPfan wrote: »

Typical bitter sound bites from a former player who has no credibility in management. I take nothing he says with any sort of seriousness. If I didn’t know he was a footballer I’d think he was a punch drunk former boxer.

PS - Yeah I don’t like him.

Ex liverpool captain. Says it all. The guvnor lmfao.

limnam · 25-04-2019 7:05pm

GSPfan wrote: »

Typical bitter sound bites from a former player who has no credibility in management. I take nothing he says with any sort of seriousness. If I didn’t know he was a footballer I’d think he was a punch drunk former boxer.

PS - Yeah I don’t like him.

When rashford dropped the formation note from Ole against Barca it did remind me of the "shoot" note from ince though :pac:

Annabella1 · 25-04-2019 9:04pm

Shaw looked like he had put on a few pounds(again) during his suspension break

bangkok · 25-04-2019 9:10pm

Annabella1 wrote: »

Shaw looked like he had put on a few pounds(again) during his suspension break

Looked the same to me last night

chicorytip · 25-04-2019 9:51pm

It was Mourinho alone who identified Bailly, Lindelof, Sanchez, Pogba, Lukaku, Fred and Dalot as signings the club should pursue - which it did - paying, in the case of four of those I mention, vastly excessive transfer fees. So who should accept the blame for this massive lack of good judgement? Think of those whom Liverpool and Manchester City have signed in the past three seasons who could have ended up at Old Trafford.

Mitch Connor · 25-04-2019 9:55pm

chicorytip wrote: »

It was Mourinho alone who identified Bailly, Lindelof, Sanchez, Pogba, Lukaku, Fred and Dalot as signings the club should pursue - which it did - paying, in the case of four of those I mention, vastly excessive transfer fees. So who should accept the blame for this massive lack of good judgement? Think of those whom Liverpool and Manchester City have signed in the past three seasons who could have ended up at Old Trafford.

I disagree with your central premise there.

sReq | uTeK · 25-04-2019 10:16pm

chicorytip wrote: »

It was Mourinho alone who identified Bailly, Lindelof, Sanchez, Pogba, Lukaku, Fred and Dalot as signings the club should pursue - which it did - paying, in the case of four of those I mention, vastly excessive transfer fees. So who should accept the blame for this massive lack of good judgement? Think of those whom Liverpool and Manchester City have signed in the past three seasons who could have ended up at Old Trafford.

Lukaku - Proven premier league goal scorer. Signed after 2 x 25 goal scoring seasons.

Pogba - let's be fair, we all thought we signed a top top player.

Sanchez - see above for pogba.

Lindelof has come on plenty.

Dalot- in footballing terms has barely played a game.

It's not working out for some at the club. But hindsight is a wonderful thing.

beno619 · 25-04-2019 10:23pm

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Pogba - let's be fair, we all thought we signed a top top player.

Speak for yourself

Mantis Toboggan · 25-04-2019 10:32pm

Who was the last player we signed who was worth the transfer fee and wages we payed him and what percentage of Woodwards signings have we been a success?

What's happening with this director of football role or is he afraid he won't be able to continue his football manager career if a DOF was signed.

nullzero · 25-04-2019 10:34pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Who was the last player we signed who was worth the transfer fee and wages we payed him and what percentage of Woodwards signings have we been a success?

What's happening with this director of football role or is he afraid he won't be able to continue his football manager career if a DOF was signed.

Easy, Robin Van Persie.

sReq | uTeK · 25-04-2019 10:36pm

beno619 wrote: »

Speak for yourself

Okay, the MAJORITY of people. There is no doubting the lads skill. It's his application and consistency that's infuriating. With that said if sell him too

Zeek12 · 25-04-2019 10:45pm

nullzero wrote: »

Easy, Robin Van Persie.

You can make a decent argument for Lindelof too. Based on his progression this season.

Mantis Toboggan · 25-04-2019 10:49pm

Zeek12 wrote: »

You can make a decent argument for Lindelof too. Based on his progression this season.

True, but what did we pay for him? €40 million? Should we not be expecting more given the outlay?

25-04-2019 10:50pm

Zeek12 wrote: »

You can make a decent argument for Lindelof too. Based on his progression this season.

Romero, Zlatan and Herrera 3 others who could be considered worth thier fees and wages but thats about it

PARlance · 25-04-2019 10:52pm

€94 million earned from our CL run this year. Up from €40 million last year. Safe to say getting Top 4 or not will have some degree of impact on summer business.

Payout structure explained. We've actually earned more from it than City, Pool or Spurs to date.
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1121301059748671488?s=19

skinny90 · 25-04-2019 10:55pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Who was the last player we signed who was worth the transfer fee and wages we payed him and what percentage of Woodwards signings have we been a success?

What's happening with this director of football role or is he afraid he won't be able to continue his football manager career if a DOF was signed.

We only sign big players for commercial reasons. Didn’t you know that ?

Weepsie · 25-04-2019 10:58pm

chicorytip wrote: »

It was Mourinho alone who identified Bailly, Lindelof, Sanchez, Pogba, Lukaku, Fred and Dalot as signings the club should pursue - which it did - paying, in the case of four of those I mention, vastly excessive transfer fees. So who should accept the blame for this massive lack of good judgement? Think of those whom Liverpool and Manchester City have signed in the past three seasons who could have ended up at Old Trafford.

Didn't matter who came in as manager, Pogba was being signed by the club. Mourinho probably didn't have a problem with it, but that was one that was on the cards and clamoured for for ages. Helped massively by an agent knowing how to make a bit of money too

bangkok · 25-04-2019 11:01pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Who was the last player we signed who was worth the transfer fee and wages we payed him and what percentage of Woodwards signings have we been a success?

What's happening with this director of football role or is he afraid he won't be able to continue his football manager career if a DOF was signed.

Id say without doubt Zlatan

Weepsie · 25-04-2019 11:04pm

bangkok wrote: »

Id say without doubt Zlatan

I'd agree. His injury was a terrible misfortune. Had he been around, and fit for another 2 years, then I'd say players around him would have a much better attitude. He leaves it all out there.

DARK-KNIGHT · 25-04-2019 11:14pm

nullzero wrote: »

Easy, Robin Van Persie.

Zlatan

JP Liz V1 · 25-04-2019 11:41pm

Is Ole still after Thomas Meunier?

nullzero · 25-04-2019 11:49pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Zlatan

He was a big surprise to be fair. I thought he'd be washed up after having his feet up in Paris.

Van Persie pips him as his title winning season was probably the best individual return in a season a united player has had since Ronaldo left.

DARK-KNIGHT · 26-04-2019 12:08am

nullzero wrote: »

He was a big surprise to be fair. I thought he'd be washed up after having his feet up in Paris.

Van Persie pips him as his title winning season was probably the best individual return in a season a united player has had since Ronaldo left.

Would take zlatan back now

26-04-2019 12:18am

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Would take zlatan back now

Super player but I even think in his best season for us his legs were gone a little, if he had been just a little quicker to get shots away that season he would have scored a lot more goals.

I know he was never fast in terms of running just mean the ability to move a ball and get a shot off, but my god he has a genius at creating chances holding up the ball and playing in others

Strumms · 26-04-2019 12:40am

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Lukaku - Proven premier league goal scorer. Signed after 2 x 25 goal scoring seasons.

Pogba - let's be fair, we all thought we signed a top top player.

Sanchez - see above for pogba.

Lindelof has come on plenty.

Dalot- in footballing terms has barely played a game.

It's not working out for some at the club. But hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Lukaku - The immovable farce. Looks to be out of shape pure and simple. Playing with one forward who for the most part is looking only slightly more mobile then Stephen Hawking.

Pogba - just a big letdown, not a world class footballer or even close to it. Having ability that is world class is one thing but when your application and attitude is so far removed from world class, so far removed from professional and on a pretty basic scale that wouldn’t even be tolerated in the amateur game... no sorry. Fûck off.

Sanchez - another one by whose body language, general demeanor and lack of productivity suggest he is a burnt spark, looking borderline unfit, stealing a living and probably hopefully soon to be seen in a fućking West Ham shirt, hopefully. He can’t be arsed.

Lindelof - A player giving our club and the team 100% each and every time. Steadily improving.

Dalot - don’t know what to make of him, yet... been good, bad and fairly ugly.

AidoEirE · 26-04-2019 1:04am

Strumms wrote: »

Lukaku - The immovable farce. Looks to be out of shape pure and simple. Playing with one forward who for the most part is looking only slightly more mobile then Stephen Hawking.

Pogba - just a big letdown, not a world class footballer or even close to it. Having ability that is world class is one thing but when your application and attitude is so far removed from world class, so far removed from professional and on a pretty basic scale that wouldn’t even be tolerated in the amateur game... no sorry. Fûck off.

Sanchez - another one by whose body language, general demeanor and lack of productivity suggest he is a burnt spark, looking borderline unfit, stealing a living and probably hopefully soon to be seen in a fućking West Ham shirt, hopefully. He can’t be arsed.

Lindelof - A player giving our club and the team 100% each and every time. Steadily improving.

Dalot - don’t know what to make of him, yet... been good, bad and fairly ugly.

Lukaku: more like we all thought we were getting Morata at the time, last minute we got Lukaku, Chelsea got Morata. That deal worked for us big time at the time as we got second with Lukaku being our highest goalscorer while Morata flopped.

Sanchez: We got sold the magic bean there, but city were in for him but we offered more cash on the hype train and most Arsenal fans were laughing at the two of us scraping dor him. Think City signed Mahrez that season (anyone remember that lad, gors to show money talks apprantly, a playet id like to see back in a first 11 pl side)
The wages offered is what made him sign and i remember the reveal video thinking how daft it was for him. Absolute daft business.
To this day, i still think city planted him on us for a dud, as in, we dont actually want him, but we'll make you pay for him.

Lindelof: This is a player yeah, now not the best CB in the league but the best on what we have.
Plenty of people slated this lad in his first season, including myself, didnt think he was up to it.

Look what a season does and im sure his wages is in the lower bracket.

Now look at someone like Martial, been riding his first season success for to long, compare to Lindelof, who clearly looks like now had thr right attitide from the go. Night and day.

Dalot: I like Dalot, but was this kid not playing in a B team in portugal, signed as a future prospect, but hasn't been treated like it and been thrown into it straight away.

Say conpare Dalot to Mctominey, the latter has been slowly been brought into this team. Dalot has not at all because that position is so weak.
From a B team in portugal to the rb of utd is massive.

I think this lad could be a proper player but that rb needs fixing first, for someone he can actually learn off

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