Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

Eod100 · 17-06-2019 4:03pm

In case anyone missed it: https://twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1140605235817328641?s=19 https://twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1140561062858809346?s=19

Mr Tickle · 18-06-2019 8:21am

Pretty happy with that conference particularly the disjointed season we could have ahead of us.

Caranica · 18-06-2019 12:22pm

Leinster folk seem very unhappy at the notion that they are ranked as the second Irish team. Pretty sure the seeding system is the same as last year and the year before, we just happened to benefit this time!

phog · 18-06-2019 12:25pm

Caranica wrote: »

Leinster folk seem very unhappy at the notion that they are ranked as the second Irish team. Pretty sure the seeding system is the same as last year and the year before, we just happened to benefit this time!

Last year there was no seeding as the conferences remained the same. I can't remember how they created the conferences in the first season of the Pro14 but I assume it was by seeding from he previous season's Pro12

Had Leinster not taken their foot off the pedal once they secured a Home SF then they might well have been seeded above us.

Mr Tickle · 18-06-2019 12:58pm

phog wrote: »

Last year there was no seeding as the conferences remained the same. I can't remember how they created the conferences in the first season of the Pro14 but I assume it was by seeding from he previous season's Pro12

Had Leinster not taken their foot off the pedal once they secured a Home SF then they might well have been seeded above us.

there should probably have been a few points allocated for winning the knockout games really.

Cookiemunster · 18-06-2019 1:14pm

phog wrote: »

Last year there was no seeding as the conferences remained the same. I can't remember how they created the conferences in the first season of the Pro14 but I assume it was by seeding from he previous season's Pro12

Had Leinster not taken their foot off the pedal once they secured a Home SF then they might well have been seeded above us.

The first season Munster were Ireland 1 and Leinster were Ireland 2 (just like this season), but Ireland 1&4 were in Conference A with the Welsh 2&3. They've changed this so that Ireland 1&4 are now in Conference B with the Welsh 2&3.

Personally I think they swapped the Welsh and Irish seeding because if they hadn't then only Scarlets and Ospreys would have swapped conference and they wanted a bigger change.

Former Former · 18-06-2019 1:14pm

Caranica wrote: »

Leinster folk seem very unhappy at the notion that they are ranked as the second Irish team. Pretty sure the seeding system is the same as last year and the year before, we just happened to benefit this time!

Meh, I don't think anyone is that put out by it.

The odd thing is that no-one knew whether the knock-outs took precedence over league standings or not. You'd have thought Pro14 would make it clear (I presume the teams knew though).

Doesn't really make much odds. It's a bit of an anomaly that you have the champions and runner-up in the same pool but that's a quirk of the pool system.

Cookiemunster · 18-06-2019 1:16pm

Mr Tickle wrote: »

there should probably have been a few points allocated for winning the knockout games really.

Why? It's clearly stated in the rules that the seedings for the conferences will be decided on a combined table of the two conferences. We were told this two years ago after we went to conferences.

Eod100 · 18-06-2019 3:19pm

Interesting. https://twitter.com/MrNiallMcGarry/status/1140971952066244608?s=19

jm08 · 18-06-2019 8:41pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Interesting. https://twitter.com/MrNiallMcGarry/status/1140971952066244608?s=19

Thrilled to say that @jerryflannery returns to @JOEdotie & @SportsJOEdotie in a full time role as rugby analyst & content creator from July, ahead of a massive year of rugby on all fronts.

I called that one that he would more than likely get involved in his various businesses.

UnknownSpecies · 18-06-2019 10:25pm

Pity it's Joe.ie. Will never visit that website.

ScrubsfanChris · 18-06-2019 10:50pm

UnknownSpecies wrote: »

Pity it's Joe.ie. Will never visit that website.

Ah yes, the old "Ctrl+C" "Ctrl+V" champions :pac:

jm08 · 19-06-2019 12:49am

UnknownSpecies wrote: »

Pity it's Joe.ie. Will never visit that website.

Podcasts are good.

Mr Tickle · 19-06-2019 8:33am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Why? It's clearly stated in the rules that the seedings for the conferences will be decided on a combined table of the two conferences. We were told this two years ago after we went to conferences.

Ah yeah but given that they won the thing twice and were able to rotate this year because they were out of sight with weeks to spare then i think we can assume that they deserve to be the top seed.

Just because everyone knew the rules it doesn't mean that they were good rules.

Cookiemunster · 19-06-2019 8:56am

Mr Tickle wrote: »

Ah yeah but given that they won the thing twice and were able to rotate this year because they were out of sight with weeks to spare then i think we can assume that they deserve to be the top seed.

Just because everyone knew the rules it doesn't mean that they were good rules.

But as I also said above, the Pro14 obviously wanted a major shake up of the conferences or they wouldn't have swapped the Irish and Welsh seedings. If it was left as it was it would have been Glasgow/Munster top of A and Leinster running away with B again for two more seasons. That fast becomes boring.

razorblunt · 19-06-2019 9:00am

"Content Creator", controversial opinions for the clicks so.

Eod100 · 19-06-2019 9:01am

I know exact fixture dates for CC won't be confirmed today, but will they say which round we are facing specific team and whether it's home and away, today?

Cookiemunster · 19-06-2019 9:28am

Eod100 wrote: »

I know exact fixture dates for CC won't be confirmed today, but will they say which round we are facing specific team and whether it's home and away, today?

No. TV companies will decide that so it won't be known for a few months. Usually mid August.

Eod100 · 19-06-2019 9:45am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

No. TV companies will decide that so it won't be known for a few months. Usually mid August.

Cool thanks.

jm08 · 19-06-2019 11:21am

razorblunt wrote: »

"Content Creator", controversial opinions for the clicks so.

Actually, joe isn't controversial. Joe.UK has been doing some great video clips taking the mick out of UK politicians. I think their rugby podcast with Barry Murphy and Andrew Trimble + guests is excellent - good analysis and fun. (They are doing something similar in the UK with James Haskell).

Squidgy Black · 19-06-2019 11:25am

jm08 wrote: »

Actually, joe isn't controversial. Joe.UK has been doing some great video clips taking the mick out of UK politicians. I think their rugby podcast with Barry Murphy and Andrew Trimble + guests is excellent - good analysis and fun. (They are doing something similar in the UK with James Haskell).

The House of Rugby podcasts are good, but their articles are generally clickbait rubbish.

thomond2006 · 19-06-2019 11:25am

The original content might be good but I'd struggle to support that site. It's clickbait.

razorblunt · 19-06-2019 1:04pm

jm08 wrote: »

Actually, joe isn't controversial. Joe.UK has been doing some great video clips taking the mick out of UK politicians. I think their rugby podcast with Barry Murphy and Andrew Trimble + guests is excellent - good analysis and fun. (They are doing something similar in the UK with James Haskell).

Their podcasts are good alright but their articles are very poor.

Pepp1989 · 19-06-2019 1:41pm

Well f*ck it anyway.

PTH2009 · 19-06-2019 1:43pm

****ing prick

PTH2009 · 19-06-2019 1:47pm

We are ****ed and this is a real test for for new coaches

Should we prioritise the pro 14 next season instead

Rattlehead_ie · 19-06-2019 1:48pm

Well if we are good enough and get out of that pool we deserve to get to a final, I mean Jaaaaaysus thats tough

Eod100 · 19-06-2019 1:51pm

Manky pool

thomond2006 · 19-06-2019 1:51pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

We are ****ed and this is a real test for for new coaches

Should we prioritise the pro 14 next season instead

Yeah, let's just put the Celtic Cup lineup out in Europe and not bother.
Utter nonsense.

It's a tough pool but there's a good chance of finishing as a runner-up qualifier at least. Saracens are Saracens but Racing aren't unbeatable and Munster have the measure of Ospreys. Saracens and Racing away will be very difficult but four wins is do-able.

yerrahbah · 19-06-2019 1:55pm

#prayforospreys

Brief_Lives · 19-06-2019 1:55pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

It's a tough pool but there's a good chance of finishing as a runner-up qualifier at least. Saracens are Saracens but Racing aren't unbeatable and Munster have the measure of Ospreys. Saracens and Racing away will be very difficult but four wins is do-able.

agreed

Pool 1: Leinster Rugby, Lyon, Northampton Saints, Benetton Rugby

Pool 2: Exeter Chiefs, Glasgow Warriors, La Rochelle, Sale Sharks

Pool 3: ASM Clermont Auvergne, Ulster Rugby, Harlequins, Bath Rugby

Pool 4: Saracens, Munster Rugby, Racing 92, Ospreys

Pool 5: Toulouse, Gloucester Rugby, Connacht Rugby, Montpellier

Eod100 · 19-06-2019 1:56pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Yeah, let's just put the Celtic Cup lineup out in Europe and not bother.
Utter nonsense.

It's a tough pool but there's a good chance of finishing as a runner-up qualifier at least. Saracens are Saracens but Racing aren't unbeatable and Munster have the measure of Ospreys. Saracens and Racing away will be very difficult but four wins is do-able.

4 wins would be great return in fairness

Cookiemunster · 19-06-2019 1:56pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Yeah, let's just put the Celtic Cup lineup out in Europe and not bother.
Utter nonsense.

It's a tough pool but there's a good chance of finishing as a runner-up qualifier at least. Saracens are Saracens but Racing aren't unbeatable and Munster have the measure of Ospreys. Saracens and Racing away will be very difficult but four wins is do-able.

Maybe if we can get Saracens early. They supply the bulk of the England squad, so should be won't be hitting the ground running either. I wouldn't fancy our chances in the head to head.

molloyjh · 19-06-2019 2:06pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

thomond2006 wrote: »

Yeah, let's just put the Celtic Cup lineup out in Europe and not bother.
Utter nonsense.

It's a tough pool but there's a good chance of finishing as a runner-up qualifier at least. Saracens are Saracens but Racing aren't unbeatable and Munster have the measure of Ospreys. Saracens and Racing away will be very difficult but four wins is do-able.

Maybe if we can get Saracens early. They supply the bulk of the England squad, so should be won't be hitting the ground running either. I wouldn't fancy our chances in the head to head.

Yeah, they struggled post Lions tour so they could well struggle post RWC. It's the time to get them if you have to get them. If you guys could knock them out at the pool stages we promise to do better next time you need is to win for your league position......

arsebiscuits1 · 19-06-2019 2:12pm

Ooof that's a rotten draw

LuckyGent88 · 19-06-2019 2:15pm

Do we know when the exact dates for the first two fixtures will be decided??

Racing game in Paris would interest me. Can get train from Germany.

sydthebeat · 19-06-2019 2:20pm

19 points got the final qf spot last season, though with those draws its possible 18 points might be achievable

which means munster have to beat both saracens and racing at some stage.

Cookiemunster · 19-06-2019 2:29pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

19 points got the final qf spot last season, though with those draws its possible 18 points might be achievable

which means munster have to beat both saracens and racing at some stage.

Well if you win all your home games......

sydthebeat · 19-06-2019 2:37pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Well if you win all your home games......

if youre winning all your home games, you should be targeting top spot in your pool.....

interesting that munster have gone out to 25/1 odds after that draw.. they were 16s beforehand

boyle sports actually have them at 33/1 !!!

19-06-2019 3:20pm

Racing have a quality squad but they've been poor this year and Munster shouldn't fear them.

Sarries will be without a huge cohort for the start of the season albeit this will impact Munster to a similar degree.

The talent pool is there, if the incoming coaches can gel the team and system in time there is a championship winning squad.

thomond2006 · 19-06-2019 5:00pm

Racing will also have virtually the same lineup as last season. The only signing of note was Trinh-Duc who will only be a backup to Russell.

Munster's lineup won't change either of course but the addition of those assistant coaches is massive.

Ospreys are an interesting prospect. They finished the season well after an absolutely dire start. They have upgraded at 10 with Gareth Anscombe replacing Sam Davies.

Saracens have little changes as well but Elliot Daly is a quality signing who adds a long range kicking option.

errlloyd · 19-06-2019 5:11pm

Racing is probably the most enigmatic team in Europe Right now. When they win, they win in style. But they don't when they need to.

razorblunt · 19-06-2019 5:14pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Racing will also have virtually the same lineup as last season. The only signing of note was Trinh-Duc who will only be a backup to Russell.

Munster's lineup won't change either of course but the addition of those assistant coaches is massive.

Ospreys are an interesting prospect. They finished the season well after an absolutely dire start. They have upgraded at 10 with Gareth Anscombe replacing Sam Davies.

Saracens have little changes as well but Elliot Daly is a quality signing who adds a long range kicking option.

Interesting to see what happens with Daly and where he plays. There's really only a gap for him at center.

mark_way · 19-06-2019 6:04pm

razorblunt wrote: »

Interesting to see what happens with Daly and where he plays. There's really only a gap for him at center.

He's a fair bit better than Maitland, and Strettle has retired. I'd say he'll start on the wing along with Williams.

mark_way · 19-06-2019 6:06pm

Would have been good to see La Rochelle in there instead of Racing for a bit of variety and for the ROG factor.

dub_skav · 19-06-2019 6:48pm

Leinster fan here. Just saw pools
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Former Former · 19-06-2019 7:52pm

errlloyd wrote: »

Racing is probably the most enigmatic team in Europe Right now. When they win, they win in style. But they don't when they need to.

They're seriously flaky and have gone backwards since they made the final. Not that worried about them tbh.

Eod100 · 19-06-2019 8:20pm

Former Former wrote: »

They're seriously flaky and have gone backwards since they made the final. Not that worried about them tbh.

Think if we got 2 wins against them we'd be doing very well.

yerrahbah · 19-06-2019 8:44pm

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cameramonkey · 20-06-2019 1:27am

Eod100 wrote: »

Think if we got 2 wins against them we'd be doing very well.

They would have to improve dramatically to beat Munster. I think Munster should beat them twice.

You will be surprised when you see what them have to to Zeeeebs.

Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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