CEO PIETA house yearly Salary ?

anewme wrote: »

Yet another thread with the romantic notion that charity workers work for free. The key KPI for a Charity CEO is to generate incremental revenue and they will be measured against that.

I often wonder who exactly people here are working working for - there are many middle managers in any type of industry (especially in Dublin) on 100-120K, which is what they were cribbing at a CEO getting.

Bizarre that people think in this day and age that a charity should be a mis-match of random "volunteers".

The Op should keep their 50 euro "donation", rather than hover for hours over the return key.

The op is entitled to ask the question, you seem to have a problem with him asking, why is that?

I think people mix up the use of the word charity with not-for-profit when discussing organisations like Pieta House. A charity is generally run by volunteers whereas non profit organisation are run by paid staff (often with the help of volunteers). Non profits are completely justified in paying competitive salaries as should they not the caliber of those running the organisations will not be fit to do so.

The problem with the non profit sector as I see it is that there two many organisation working in the same field with the result of duplication of administrative functions and such, using up funds that could be better spent. A prime example of this is in social housing with countless organisations offering the same services creating an administration heavy sector.

All My Stars Aligned wrote: »

I think people mix up the use of the word charity with not-for-profit when discussing organisations like Pieta House. A charity is generally run by volunteers whereas non profit organisation are run by paid staff (often with the help of volunteers). Non profits are completely justified in paying competitive salaries as should they not the caliber of those running the organisations will not be fit to do so.

The problem with the non profit sector as I see it is that there two many organisation working in the same field with the result of duplication of administrative functions and such, using up funds that could be better spent. A prime example of this is in social housing with countless organisations offering the same services creating an administration heavy sector.

Theres a lot of housing associations now , but they are effective working in tandem with local authorities.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The difficulty I have with Pieta is the low money they pay their therapists. Skilled and experienced psychotherapists and psychologists should be paid more than 24k. Without them there would be no Pieta.

I think a lot of therapists are restricted in the amount of hours they can work by their own professional bodies because of the nature of their work, it could be as little as 15 or 20 hours .Pieta has or had a lot of contract staff.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's not the case. They can work as many hours as they like. It's really down to the therapist themselves. For example those who work deeply with trauma will more than likely limit their hours for the sake of their own mental wellbeing and the potential for vicarious trauma.

I thought they were restricted, but could work privately after contract hours.
Though what you're saying makes sense.
I've a colleague who restricts what he does as therapist, but works separately away from practice.

It's a large company with all the infrastructure and managerial demands that come with any large Company. The way to attract suitable candidates is to offer a pay package that reflects the demands of the job.

Some people think a charity should have volunteer workers. I remember plenty of times hearing people be surprised that Chuggers are paid workers. Like, who'd do that job for free?

I think the same sentiment is expressed when people call a job a "vocation". Calling someone else's job a vocation generally means you don't expect them to expect to be well paid. It's as if the reward is in the satisfaction they get for doing the job. It's often used for teachers, nurses and clergy and I think people expect people working in the charity sector to also work for poor wages.

That's not how it works. That's not how anything works. People work mostly for money. Pay peanuts...

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It's a large company with all the infrastructure and managerial demands that come with any large Company. The way to attract suitable candidates is to offer a pay package that reflects the demands of the job.

Well, as with Angela Kerins who was paying herself over 240K, offering more money than the p.m. of most countries make does not always attract suitable candidates.

I agree with you though, it is a good business to be in. There are almost 10,000 registered charities and a further 20,000+ organisations in Ireland's wider "nonprofit" sector.

Homelander wrote: »

90K for the CEO of Pieta is reasonable.

Some of the staff of other charities in Ireland have bigger salaries, I will give you that.

According to the Irish Times a few years ago, the charities sector in Ireland is a pretty crowded space. There is also lots of duplication, which means it is quite territorial.

It can make for intense competition when pursuing donations whether from private or State sources. And the State is the mother of all funders where Irish charities are concerned.

It said a good example of proliferation in a specific area of service where charities are concerned has to do with suicide prevention/bereavement.

In all, a few years ago, it found there were 48 separate agencies supplying services in this area, with 13 doing so exclusively.

It said the largest by turnover was at Pieta House, which had a reported total income of €5.97 million in 2015. Six of its staff were on over €70,000 with two earning over €85,000.

Homelander wrote: »

...given the enormous size of the organisation in question,

6 million annual turnover is not what I would call an enormous organisation.

Deleted User wrote: »

The difficulty I have with Pieta is the low money they pay their therapists. Skilled and experienced psychotherapists and psychologists should be paid more than 24k. Without them there would be no Pieta.

Where is this 24000 figure coming from? The reddit thread? I'd prefer facts rather than unsubstantiated rumours. I don't know how much their therapists are paid but I have been told the 24k is for a part time position.
So social media is telling me
A They get a salary of 24000
B The 24000 is for a part time job.

I’ve no issue with people in charities being paid Salaries. Some people don’t relies this tough and it comes as a shock to them.
However I have heard of a few people having negative experiences with Pieta House and if I was to donate a large sum of money to a charity they mightn’t be on the list anymore.

whisky_galore wrote: »

Crazy. A whole industry built out of governmental cop out. We are a soft touch as a people.
Can any gob****e set up a charity? It certainly looks that way.

Anyone one can , your has to meet certain criteria.
A lot of the larger charities are in effect companies and some are trusts.