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Returning immigrant question re healthcare

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  • 15-10-2020 8:44pm
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    Mumha
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    A relative of mine (who had to emigrate in the mid 80s) is returning after 35 years living in the UK. Her husband has retired himself, so now is the time. She has had a life threatening illness in the UK, but thankfully is doing great now.

    The issue is that while they will pay for private healthcare, her pre-existing condition won't be covered for 5 years, so the obvious concern is whether the public system would pick up the slack should there be any issue ? Would it be a case of a referral by her GP here in Ireland ? Obviously the whole Brexit situation is a concern for her.

    Thanks in advance


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    Alter_Ego
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    The public system here is a joke, endless money pit and waiting lists for years.


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    [Deleted User]
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    Mumha wrote: »
    A relative of mine (who had to emigrate in the mid 80s) is returning after 35 years living in the UK. Her husband has retired himself, so now is the time. She has had a life threatening illness in the UK, but thankfully is doing great now.

    The issue is that while they will pay for private healthcare, her pre-existing condition won't be covered for 5 years, so the obvious concern is whether the public system would pick up the slack should there be any issue ? Would it be a case of a referral by her GP here in Ireland ? Obviously the whole Brexit situation is a concern for her.

    Thanks in advance

    So... After not paying a penny into the coffers she is looking to come back here which of course she is entitled to do and also avail of free Healthcare?She would be better off staying put and availing of NHS imo


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    Alter_Ego
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    Maybe try to find an insurance company who would accept the preexisting condition after a medical assessment.


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    EverythingGood
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    So... After not paying a penny into the coffers she is looking to come back here which of course she is entitled to do and also avail of free Healthcare?She would be better off staying put and availing of NHS imo

    Or take a drive to the North and avail of the NHS


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    elperello
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    So... After not paying a penny into the coffers she is looking to come back here which of course she is entitled to do and also avail of free Healthcare?She would be better off staying put and availing of NHS imo

    Clearly the decision to emigrate was not voluntary.

    The 80's were tough in this country and many had to leave or face signing on.

    She has entitlements under a reciprocal arrangement between HSE and NHS.

    https://www.hse.ie/brexit/cross-border-and-treatment-abroad/


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    Lissoy
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So... After not paying a penny into the coffers she is looking to come back here which of course she is entitled to do and also avail of free Healthcare?She would be better off staying put and availing of NHS imo

    The UK pay money to Ireland for healthcare for people like the OP that have made social contributions in the UK all their life and then return to Ireland to retire. I believe they have agreed to continue this after Brexit. So the OP is entitled to avail of the health system here.


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    listermint
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    Lissoy wrote: »
    The UK pay money to Ireland for healthcare for people like the OP that have made social contributions in the UK all their life and then return to Ireland to retire. I believe they have agreed to continue this after Brexit. So the OP is entitled to avail of the health system here.

    There is no agreement for this after brexit. Nothing is written down. January throws all existing agreements out the window.

    Beware.


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    Mumha
    Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Mumha


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So... After not paying a penny into the coffers she is looking to come back here which of course she is entitled to do and also avail of free Healthcare?She would be better off staying put and availing of NHS imo

    That's a really disgusting response. She's an Irish citizen, and like so many other Irish people in the 80s, when there was no work here, was forced to emigrate. Shame on you.


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    Mumha
    Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Mumha


    EverythingGood wrote: »
    Or take a drive to the North and avail of the NHS

    That's an interesting thought, thanks.


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    Mumha
    Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Mumha


    listermint wrote: »
    There is no agreement for this after brexit. Nothing is written down. January throws all existing agreements out the window.

    Beware.

    Yes, that's the part of the concern, it's all in the air at the moment.


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    Divisadero
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So... After not paying a penny into the coffers she is looking to come back here which of course she is entitled to do and also avail of free Healthcare?She would be better off staying put and availing of NHS imo

    Give me strength! There are generations of Irish who had no choice but to emigrate including in the 80's. In fact more young Irish emigrated during the 80's than during the recent 'great recession'. Most of them (including me) just got on with it rather than blaming the generation before for ruining it for them. By doing this rather than adding to the massive numbers on the dole they did their country of birth a favour.

    So now years later some of these people want to return. For some this would have always been the plan or at least the hope. Little did they know all these years later that they would be greeted with a response like yours. Basically why don't you just stay where you are rather than burdening us. By the way many Irish who left for the UK in their youth retire here and why shouldn't they?

    Not only are you lacking in empathy but you also seem at worst clueless or at best a person in need of a history lesson.


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    StackSteevens
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    Mumha wrote: »
    Yes, that's the part of the concern, it's all in the air at the moment.

    "
    Healthcare
    Both the Irish and British Governments are committed to maintaining the current healthcare arrangements under the Common Travel Area. Under the CTA, Irish citizens and British citizens who live in, work in, or visit the other state have the right to access healthcare there. Other North South cooperation arrangements will also continue on the island of Ireland.

    The government is working to ensure that new arrangements will provide, to the extent possible, for continued access to the health services between Ireland and the UK, including on the island of Ireland, which patients in both jurisdictions currently access."

    https://www.gov.ie/en/policy-information/b42e94-health-and-brexit/


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    Mumha
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    StackSteevens wrote: »
    "
    Healthcare
    Both the Irish and British Governments are committed to maintaining the current healthcare arrangements under the Common Travel Area. Under the CTA, Irish citizens and British citizens who live in, work in, or visit the other state have the right to access healthcare there. Other North South cooperation arrangements will also continue on the island of Ireland.

    The government is working to ensure that new arrangements will provide, to the extent possible, for continued access to the health services between Ireland and the UK, including on the island of Ireland, which patients in both jurisdictions currently access."

    https://www.gov.ie/en/policy-information/b42e94-health-and-brexit/

    Thanks, but I had seen that. The problem is where does any UK/Ireland agreement stand, if the Withdrawal Agreement ends and there's no deal ?


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    salamiii
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    she should be able to use her English medical card in Ireland or fly.back to uk for few days for treatment


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    elperello
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    She will be ok.

    Check out these links which might be helpful.


    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/returning_to_ireland/looking_after_your_health/accessing_healthcare_on_your_return_to_ireland.html


    https://safehomeireland.com/


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    StackSteevens
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    Mumha wrote: »
    Thanks, but I had seen that. The problem is where does any UK/Ireland agreement stand, if the Withdrawal Agreement ends and there's no deal ?


    What leads you to believe that someone posting on Boards.ie is likely to have the ability to accurately foretell the future? ;)

    The best that any of us can do is to tell you is the current state of play and the Government's stated intention of retaining the status quo.


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    KiraNerys
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    listermint wrote: »
    There is no agreement for this after brexit. Nothing is written down. January throws all existing agreements out the window.

    Beware.


    There is. The CTA exists outside of the EU and there are reciprocal agreements that are not affected by Brexit.
    OP, you can avail of the health services here in the same way any other person can, in the same way any Irish person can in the UK.


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